When its Speed is Increased. And you can't see any paradox? You blow between the pages - and they move together. Wouldn't one expect them to move apart? And 'paradoxically' they move together?

I have to thank you for these continuity equations and the knowledge you bring. This helps everybody. Greatly.

But did you imagine I didn't know this?

Not me, not now - but I'm thinking of when I was a child - I think I would have expected the river to slow down at the restriction. I'm not ashamed of that.

Fluid in a tube - water in a river... Is there really no relationship, to you?

This Speeding Up Expansion belonging to an Inward movement - or vortex, according to Victor Schauberger. I call it the Penultimate Paradox. I guess there's 'Wrong Physics' just like there's 'Bad Astronomy'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_d...pressible_flow

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I was just sitting here contemplating the immortal words of Socrates who said, "I drank what?"

"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot." --Carl Sagan "Pale Blue Dot"

Don't you mean "pansion" in an "outward" direction?

Just trying to be precise.

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Just like I've been saying - this outward expansion slows down. But doesn't every outward expansion?

Well, I guess I stand corrected - once again. Thanks for joining in Kelfazin. I haven't heard from you before.

Umm, yeah, if the rate of increase in volume is constant (read my subsequent post trying to explain it more clearly). This is just the mathematical/geometric result that comes from increasing the volume of a sphere at a constant rate; the diameter will increase at a decreasing rate. The same thing happens when you reverse the process; i.e. when the volume of a sphere decreases at a constant rate, the diameter of the sphere decreases at an increasing rate.

I personally see no mystery, unless I am missing something very fundamental somewhere (which, in my case, is always possible, however unlikely it may be).

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I like this Inward Expansion, even if it is an oxymoron. You see, the alternative... 'implosion' ... has an opposite - 'explosion'. But I don't see Outward Expansion as, necessarily, an explosion. I mean, the Cosmos is supposed to be Expanding Outwards - but we don't say it is exploding.

Not really joining in, just lurking, I have no position on either side of this debate. Although I had heard about incompressible gasses before and thought I would provide a link.

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I was just sitting here contemplating the immortal words of Socrates who said, "I drank what?"

"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot." --Carl Sagan "Pale Blue Dot"

I have to go with this one for now.

I see.

Hey, neat.

No, no mystery - except where can we see an outward expansion that speeds up? The concept defies Nature. Come on, somebody - give me an example of an outward expansion that Speeds Up. Bet you can't - because it doesn't exist. I know lots of examples of Inward Expansions Speeding Up, but only Outward Expansions slow Down and Stop.

In a static system the outward expansion would slow as the volume increases, but what if the system isn't static? What if the energy causing the expansion is increasing?

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I was just sitting here contemplating the immortal words of Socrates who said, "I drank what?"

"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot." --Carl Sagan "Pale Blue Dot"

All this does is to tell me there's something you know that you're not saying. That's okay. If you want, just think it. Maybe it's better this way. Thanks for your input. Sincerely.

Ok. lurk.

Anything helpful is appreciated. Thanks for straightening me out. But Kelfazin, do you know of an outward expansion that speeds up? Could there be such a thing?

see my other post

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I was just sitting here contemplating the immortal words of Socrates who said, "I drank what?"

"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot." --Carl Sagan "Pale Blue Dot"

Well, apparently the universe's expansion is speeding up now, but...that's a different thing.

It really comes down to the rate at which the volume is increased; if you can somehow manage to keep increasing the rate of volume increase sufficiently, you could maintain an increasing rate of increase in the diameter, too. But the rate of volume increase would have to continue at an ever increasing-rate to maintain that sort of ratio.

I don't know that I have much else to add here (or that I've even added anything at all anyway), but I gave it a shot...!

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Now you're getting interesting. Of course, if you add energy - well, my theory breaks down completely. But what if you dont add anything? Does the system still have to be static?

Well, that's the thing - you'd have to keep adding energy to have an ever-increasing rate of expansion in terms of size (diameter).

Not 'addiing' anything, I think, implies a static system, or at least a closed one, and in a closed system, you couldn't (by definition) add energy (and (being able) to do so would then make it an open system, not a closed one).

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I'd say it's good as fact.

Adding Energy exponentially would maintain the outward expansion - but where are you going to get all this energy?

Please don't feel that way. Your input has been valuable. Weren't you the first, or one of the first to reply to this thread? Do you think I didn't notice?

Something else to consider while you blow up the balloon: When the balloon is flat, you have to apply a large amount of pressure to begin the inflation. It's hard to get it started. But then once it's started, and before it starts to reach its maximum size, it's a lot easier to cause expansion with less pressure. So right as you cross that line from initial expansion to full expansion, you have an increasing rate of expansion with less expenditure of energy and pressure. Then as the balloon reaches maximum size, you have to increase the pressure to keep the volume going up.

Maybe we can apply this to the expansion of the universe. The BB was the initial, high pressure expansion, now we're in the "middle" low pressure, high expansion state, and in the future we'll hit the high pressure, low expansion state. I dunno.

Do I know how this applies to whatever your position is? Not really. Just a thought

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I was just sitting here contemplating the immortal words of Socrates who said, "I drank what?"

"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot." --Carl Sagan "Pale Blue Dot"