A correlation between Pluto RA and USA GDP will fail when it goes back to zero. But as you well know, these are both simply due to their correlations with time. You are quite aware that this relationship is not in that category as they are of the same type, perceived velocity of cosmic objects. It is clear that there is an all pervading set of velocities which are harmonically related with many ratios of 2 and some of 3 that affect many things.

As mentioned in a recent post, one should not expect exact fits unless you have a very long term average that includes all cycles of fluctuation. We have to make do with tendencies until such time.

What follows is for the purpose of my proposed statistical test.

Unless you think that Tifft is in collusion with me then it is not important to test Tifft's calculations or know the error margins. However I would not include a 37.5+/-2.6 km/s value (Guthrie&Napier) in the data as that is too imprecise. The chi-square test that I prpose does not care about the stated margins of error because it looks at the similarity of the theory and observation only.
Correct. That is especially true for a curve like an eclipsing binary which is far from a sine wave shape. For that reason the 5.54 year cycle in the sunspots simply says that the cycle is lopsided. However it will make all multiples, nit just harmonics theory ones like 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9,12. The nearer the wave is to a sine wave the less the harmonics will be. In the table of common cycles, very few of the cycles reported are of this type. There is a 5.54 year cycle in wheat (I think) but no 11.08 year cycle, though there is an 11.08 year one in the sunspots.

So this fact that you mention does not explain the observed cycles results. It is better to look to non-linear systems which will produce some of the patterns seen. The harmonics tehory rests on non-linear systems developing harmonics and those waves doing the same.
No. The galaxies are not waves but discrete points in our analysis. The only thing that will produce the Tifft set of quanta is a shape like my diagram in post #94. If you had galaxies at near to 72 km/s regular spacings you would get ever weaker signals at 36, 24, 18, 14.4, 12, 10.3, 9, 8, 7.2, 6.5, etc and that is not what happens.
The table was produced based on a particular cutoff and so did notinclude 2.672. It is as you say lower than the ones that I included. Therefore I agree that it should not be included in the list of harmonics theory values when doing a chi-square test. I labeled it simply to show that it was there but at a lower level. I note that the 8.0 km/s was also not in the list and I think Tifft found that also. Same applies.
I think that you are suggesting a hypothesis that the values might be produced a simple harmonics (as in the eclipsing binary case). If that were so then you cannot account for why the 14.4, 10.3, 7.2 and 6.5 etc quanta are missing. That hypothesis will fail.

A further thought on your suggestion that the related period can be generated in a similar way to with an eclipsing binary. Although they couldn't all be made this way without the other periods as I showed, it is true that this aspect does probably reduce the significance that I claimed. Exactly how is not clear. But I think that if pairs or triplets could fit all of the data such as 1:2 or 1:2:3 ratio then it would be correct to only count the number of pairs or triplets rather than the total number of figures matching.

To some extent the different quanta are found in different things though. To that extent your hypothesis is wrong.

Nereid (#80): If I am reading the main Tifft paper correctly, the values of these so-called periodicities depends - to a significant extent - on the validity of a number of assumptions Tifft used to calculate them.

Specifically, and not in any order, nor necessarily a complete list:
* the existence of a "static universal frame"
* determination of the motion of an observatory making redshift observations wrt this "static universal frame", at the time the observations were taken
* suitability of "the galactic coordinate system" to determine "the solar motion"
* absolute accuracy (however defined) of "the galactic coordinate system" Tifft used
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rtomes (#83): Yes, a static universal frame. Originally Tifft calculated this himself, but there are multiple solutions that fir reasonably well. Once the CMBR frame was determined he adopted that and still got his results.

Yes, we must adjust all our observed redshifts to that frame taking account of solar motion variations through the year and our drift relative to CMBR.

I do not see why a galactic co-ordinate system is needed.
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Nereid (#84): He did? Where did he publish this revision?

Did you check his calculations?

What analyses did you do to check the dependence (or lack of it) of the Tifft redshift periodicities on the assumptions used re a galactic co-ordinate system?
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rtomes (#93): As far as I can remember Tifft published the paper on CMBR basis in AstroPhys Journal also.
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Here is a complete list (according to ADS) of papers published by Tifft, from 1979 to 2007. What one(s) present(s) a re-analysis (new analysis?) of galaxy redshifts "on CMBR basis in AstroPhys Journal"*?

Did you check his calculations?

What analyses did you do to check the dependence (or lack of it) of the Tifft redshift periodicities on the assumptions used re a galactic co-ordinate system?

*If I may be permitted to note that this kind of basic literature searching is what any scientist presenting his case should have done. That rtomes has come to BAUT's ATM section without (apparently) this very basic minimum strongly suggests (to me at least) a rather surprising blindness for one who is on record as stating "I practice science and expect to be judged on a scientific basis".

Please provide references to peer-reviewed papers reporting independent observations (or analyses) by Burbidge and Hoyle that "find" "the 72 km/s".

Please show, by specific reference to the details of the datasets and analyses used, that the method you describe in the first quote, applied to the datasets presented in Schneider and Salpeter, Cocke and Tifft, and Arp and Sulentic (per references in your post), would produce a statistically significant "periodicity such as 72 km/s" signal/conclusion.

What is the statistical significance of the "periodicity such as 72 km/s" reported by Schneider and Salpeter?

What are the sizes of the datasets used in each of the three papers?

What is the size of the combined dataset, available today, of galaxy redshifts of comparable or better precision and accuracy (an OOM estimate will suffice)?

For avoidance of doubt, if these papers present the best observational case for a galaxy redshift period of ~72 km/s, then (IMHO) any reader of this thread would be entitled to conclude that "Tiffts figures are nonsense" ... at least from the point of view of astronomy as a scientific discipline.

In which paper(s) does Tifft mention these "three aspects"?What is this frame, in which "Tifft has found that"? What is it that you claim Tifft has found?

To what extent does this post, which I am quoting, represent a retraction of your 1994 usenet comment ("He was also able to determine very accurately the true motion of the solar system, because this introduces a bias into the quantised field of red shifts." post #92)?Please show that the method you described in the first post I quote here is free of, or can be modified to be free of, "within a galaxy" and "over the whole sky" "issues".

For papers which report "within a group studies", what checks did you do, independently, to establish that the group membership stated by the papers' authors was reliably and unambiguously determined?

Reference(s) please.

What independent analyses have you done of these claims?To what extent is it then appropriate for BAUT members to ask you to questions about "Arp and Narlikar's theory", and expect you to answer them?IIRC, you have stated that you do not intend to defend ATM claims about distance and/or redshift periodicities for quasars.

Did you so state?

If you did, are you now putting those ATM claims back on the table (so BAUT members may question them)?

What are the "distance periodicities"? Please provide references.In which paper(s) is the case for "some small components for galaxies that are neither distance nor velocity" presented?

Please present what you consider to be the strongest such case; please clearly indicate the extent to which you are prepared to answer direct, pertinent questions from BAUT members about such ATM claims.What lead you to conclude that the root cause of Arp's claimed "internal redshift" is "faster atomic vibrations"?What, "in harmonics theory", is the quantitative relationship between galaxy size and "internal redshift"?

The one in 6) in post #2?

If so, do you have a reference to a paper published in a relevant peer-reviewed journal?

The comparison needs to be between the conclusions presented by Tifft, based on his 'redshift state' model, and whatever ATM idea predictions you are making.

Can you show, by direct reference to Tifft's 'redshift state' model and the input data he uses, that there are no degeneracies?

Specifically, for the "Tifft periods" quoted on your website, which can you show that these periods* have an existence independent of Tifft's 'redshift state' model (at a reasonable level of statistical significance)?

For avoidance of doubt, I cannot see how you can so demonstrate, other than by presenting a detailed analysis of Tifft's model, including (possibly) some statistically sound simulations.

Further, with the possible exception of Guthrie and Napier (whose paper I have not yet read), it would seem that no one other than Tifft has presented a case, based on good observations, for the existence of any of the "Tifft periods" other than 72 km/s.

In fact, at least one of the papers (Arp and Sulentic) you cited in another post presents an observation-based case for quite different periods (in addition to 72 km/s)!Except that none of these periods (in galaxy redshifts) has been reported ... by anyone! Of course, there may be papers which present a case for galaxy redshifts with periods of "14.4, 10.3, 7.2 and 6.5 etc", but you have not mentioned any.

Are there any such papers?

*Other than 72.

As I mentioned recently, Tifft stated that there are three aspects to redshift periodicity: within a galaxy; within a group; overt the whole sky.

The within a group observations were the first observations because you do not need a universal frame for this. The reason is that in a small part of the sky the correction for our motion is the same for all galaxies, so the periodicity is still seen. This is main issue really, and the one that most other people have reported on.

The other two categories are AFAIK just reported by Tifft, perhaps with the exception that Arp has noted 72 km/s discontinuities in galaxy rotation curves. I don't care about referencing or defending these observations, as the existence of redshift periodicity is all I care to establish. These details can come later when astronomers understand that it exists.

As regards the universal reference frame, I think that Tifft has found it, but I dispute your contention that a galactic co-ordinate system is needed. The co-ordinate system might be used by Tifft (I am not aware of it either way) but the reference frame certainly is. I am happy to discuss the reference frame, but I think you need to prove that a co-ordinate system is required.

I do not know the exact paper when he began to use the CMBR frame. But in many papers he gives the frame used. Ah, I am with you now. He does use a galactic co-ordinate system to specify his preferred frame. That is simply a convention though rather than necessary. You can check in each paper that mentions whole sky what co-ordinates he used.

You can add Wlodzimierz Godlowski, Katarzyna Bajan, Piotr Flin
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0511260

Also Martin R. Crowsdale "Periodiocities of Galaxy redshifts" AstroPhysJ 345: 72-83 1989 October 1.

Burbidge http://www.springerlink.com/content/h04v154304546058/
"distinct periodicities with a value of Acz 72 km s -1" and it also references Hoyle.

I can't read the paper but J. M. Hollis, P. R. Jewell, F. J. Lovas, and A. Remijan seem to be referring to 72 km/s quanta also judging from the google link. http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/cgi...10.1086/424927

I don't intend to search for any more, but don't doubt that I could find them. The 72 km/s quantum in particular has been reported many times by different people. I repeat again that there is only one reason that this information is ignored:

Astronomers cannot see how a 72 km/s periodicity can exist all over the sky unless we are at a special place which they cannot accept.

However we do not have to be at a special place. Arp and Narlikar has provided a solution with the redshift steps in time rather than distance.

But be aware of another consequence of this. If galaxies have redshifts that are so accurate without any significant scatter and if the changes happen in time, then it almost follows that galaxies are not actually moving at all! So it is too weird for anyone. But that is not a proper way to do science by rejecting the weird. It is not the data that is at fault. It is the astronomers who cannot get their minds around it.

In #1 and the original reference is on the diagram, Nature 343 page 726.

I have mentioned all these other authors and papers to counter your snide comment on the lack of existence of the 72 km.s quanta. However I do not intend to then answer questions on each and every one. They were published in peer review journals and presumably went through checks for significance and so on. The dataset sizes no not matter if they produce sufficiently significant results. With a smaller dataset the result must be ever so clear to become significant.

That is also why I refer you back to the 128 Mpc periodicity in my post #1. It does not depend on our motion as it is very large scale and a pencil beam survey. It does have a very large sample. It is very significant. It is obviously periodic to anyone except a person who has a mind clouded by belief in a theory or model that does not work.

I have no intention of promoting Tiffts model or even trying to understand it. It was entirely invented to explain the observations. It is engineered with many suppositions, just like the big bang is, to fit each new observation. My proposal produces the results without and parameters to fiddle. It does it directly without any additional suppositions. The only thing that I needed other than the original harmonics calculations was the recognition that a wave which has length corresponding to z=1 will produce feedback of energy and so be stable. That is a logical deduction that does not introduce extra assumptions.

I am not aware of any of these periods being reported by anyone. Only Tifft has done such short periodicities, and he does have additional ones in his later measurements but I do not know what they all are.

I have seen the very occasional other period, as you mention, while doing a search for these additional names today. Usually the 72 km/s is the strong one, but sometimes something extra is mentioned. There appears to be no consistency in any of the others except for in Tifft's ones.

In the abstract, Burbidge makes it clear that this is a summary.

My question concerns:
* independent observations done by Burbidge
* independent analyses done by Burbidge
* independent observations done by Hoyle
* independent analyses done by Hoyle.

With this clarification in hand, please answer the question.

ADS, which can be used to access all ApJ issues prior to 1996 (and much, much more) comes up blank for "Crowsdale" as author. It also comes up blank with "Periodiocities of Galaxy redshifts" as the title of a paper.

Perhaps you mistyped?

To quote from the Conclusions section of the most recent of the papers you reference here (one by Bajan, Flin, Godlowski, and Pervushin):Since you have chosen to put this on the table, I am curious to know what criteria you used (and are still using?) to decide the reality of a ~72 km/s redshift periodicity among galaxies, especially in light of the fact that this paper seems to cite all those you have referenced in this thread (and many more besides) and reviews all previous observation-based papers.

Could you please state, succinctly and precisely, the sets of galaxies for which you consider a statistically significant ~72 km/s redshift periodicity has been firmly established?

Couple of years ago I compiled a list of papers about quantized redshifts. I thought I'll give the list here, if anyone is interested in the subject. "Paper not available" in the list means that I couldn't access it online. (List also contains the Martin Croasdale 1989 paper discussed above.) The list is rather long, so I have to give it as 3 subsequent posts.

There's one thing worth pointing out. Redshift quantization seems to be already accepted by mainstream astronomy. Important paper about this seems to be Broadhurst et al. (1990), after that paper it seems that 128/h Mpc periodicity in galaxy redshifts has become a fact. Just browse the citation list (which contains almost 500 papers) of the paper. Sadly, this paper has been published in Nature which doesn't allow free access even for old papers.

Papers about quantized redshifts 1967 - 1979


On the Wavelengths of the Absorption Lines in Quasi-Stellar Objects
- Burbidge, Geoffrey (1967)


Limits to the Distance of the Quasi-Stellar Objects Deduced from Their Absorption Line Spectra
- Burbidge, G. R.; Burbidge, E. M. (1967)


On the Nature of "standard" Absorption Spectrum of the Quasi-Stellar Objects
- Shklovsky, J. (1967)


Concerning Redshifts in the Spectra of Quasi-Stellar Objects
- Cowan, Clyde L. (1968)


The Distribution of Redshifts in Quasi-Stellar Objects, N-Systems and Some Radio and Compact Galaxies
- Burbidge, Geoffrey (1968)

- Cowan, Clyde L. (1969) Nature, 224, 665

- Plagemann, S. H., Feldman, P. A. and Gribben, J. R. (1969) Nature, 224, 875

- Deeming, T. J. (1970) Nature, 225, 620

- Coles, W. A. (1970) unpublished

- Wesselink, A. J. (1970) Nature, 225, 927


QSO redshifts-Possible selection effect
- Roeder, R. C. (1971) (paper not available)


Possible Discretization of Quasar Redshifts
- Karlsson, K. G. (1971)


Some Trends in the Red-Shift Distribution of Quasi-Stellar Objects and Related Peculiar Galaxies
- Basu, D.; Abdu, M. A. (1972)


An Analysis of the Distribution of Redshifts of Quasars and Emission-Line Objects
- Lake, R. G.; Roeder, R. C. (1972)


Quasars-Effects of Earth's atmosphere on redshift measurements
- Roeder, R. C.; Dyer, C. C. (1972) (paper not available)


The Correlation of Redshift with Magnitude and Morphology in the Coma Cluster
- Tifft, W. G. (1972)


The Distribution of Redshifts of Quasi-Stellar Objects and Related Emission-Line Objects
- Burbidge, G. R.; O'dell, S. L. (1972)


Quasars-Selection effects and the nature of redshifts
- Karlsson, K. G. (1973) (paper not available)


Properties of the redshift-magnitude bands in the Coma cluster
- Tifft, W. G. (1973)


Redshift-Magnitude Bands, Quasi-Stellar Sources, and Systems of Redshift
- Tifft, W. G. (1973)


QSOs-Selection in redshift measurement
- Basu, D. (1973) (paper not available)


A Quantitative Alternative to the Cosmological Hypothesis for Quasars
- Bell, Morley B.; Fort, David N. (1973)


The Distribution of Redshifts of Radio Galaxies with Different Optical Spectra and Forms
- Burbidge, G. R.; O'dell, S. L. (1973)


Redshift Magnitude Bands for Quasistellar Sources
- Veron, P.; Veron, M. P. (1974)


Remarks on the Magnitude-Redshift Bands in the Coma Cluster
- Barnothy, Jeno M.; Barnothy, Madeleine F. (1974)


Fine Structure Within the Redshift-Magnitude Correlation for Galaxies
- Tifft, W. G. (1974)


The definition, visibility, and significance of redshift-magnitude bands
- Tifft, W. G. (1974)


Distribution of quasars in the universe
- Schmidt, M. (1974) (paper not available)


On the Significance of Periodicities in the Observed Quasar Redshifts and in the Intrinsic Redshift Components as Computed from Bell and Fort's Quasar Model
- Corso, G. J.; Barnothy, J. M. (1975)


Possible effect of misidentification of QSOs on the redshift distribution
- Basu, D. (1975) (paper not available)


The NGC 507 cluster of galaxies
- Tifft, W. G.; Hilsman, K. A.; Corrado, L. C. (1975)


The distribution of redshifts of quasars and related objects
- Knight, J. W.; Sturrock, P. A.; Switzer, P. (1976)


Critique of Bell and Fort's quasar model
- Barnothy, J. M.; Corso, G. J. (1976)


Discrete states of redshift and galaxy dynamics. I - Internal motions in single galaxies
- Tifft, W. G. (1976)


On the redshift distribution of quasi-stellar objects
- Wills, D.; Ricklefs, R. L. (1976)


The ln(l+z) Periodicity in the Redshifts of Quasars
- Barnothy, M. F.; Barnothy, J. M. (1976)


Periodicity in the ln/1+z/ distribution of quasars
- Barnothy, J. M.; Barnothy, M. F. (1976)


On the reality of periodicities in the redshift distribution of emission-line objects
- Green, R. F.; Richstone, D. O. (1976)


Redshift-magnitude bands in clusters of galaxies
- Tifft, W. G. (1977) (paper not available)


Discrete states of redshift and galaxy dynamics. II - Systems of galaxies
- Tifft, W. G. (1977)


Discrete states of redshift and Galaxy dynamics. III - Abnormal galaxies and stars
- Tifft, W. G. (1977)


Distortion of Galaxy Radial Velocity Measurements by the Night Sky Spectrum
- Simkin, S. M. (1977)


On the existence of significant peaks in the quasar redshift distribution
- Karlsson, K. G. (1977)


Gaps in the emission line redshift distribution of QSOs
- Basu, D. (1977)


On the In (I + z) Periodicity in QSO Redshifts
- Wills, D. (1977)


A trend in the gaps in redshift distribution of QSOs
- Basu, D. (1978)


On the periodicity in the distribution of quasar redshifts
- Kjaergaard, P. (1978) (paper not available)


The Simkin effect
- Tifft, W. G. (1978)


The discrete redshift and asymmetry in H I profiles
- Tifft, W. G. (1978)


The absolute solar motion and the discrete redshift
- Tifft, W. G. (1978)


Redshift-magnitude bands and the evolution of galaxies. I - New observations
- Tifft, W. G. (1978)


Redshift-magnitude bands and the evolution of galaxies. II - Data analysis
- Tifft, W. G. (1978)


Band theory applied to the Coma/A1367 supercluster
- Tifft, W. G.; Gregory, S. A. (1979)


Structure within redshift-magnitude bands - Morphological evolution
- Tifft, W. G. (1979)

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Quantized redshift papers 1980 - 1991


Periodicity in the redshift intervals for double galaxies
- Tifft, W. G. (1980)


Absorption line redshift distribution of QSOs
- Basu, D. (1980)


An analysis of the redshift-magnitude band phenomenon in the Coma Cluster
- Nanni, D.; Pittella, G.; Trevese, D.; Vignato, A. (1981)


The periodicity in the distribution of quasar redshifts and the density perturbations in the early universe
- Fang, L.-Z.; Chu, Y.-Q.; Liu, Y.; Cao, C. (1982)


Quantum effects in the redshift intervals for double galaxies
- Tifft, W. G. (1982)


Double galaxy investigations. II - The redshift periodicity in optically observed pairs
- Tifft, W. G. (1982)


The cosmic density wave and its observable vestige
- Liu, Y.-Z. (1982)


Effect of search lines on emission and absorption redshift distribution of QSOs
- Basu, D. (1983)


Distribution of gaps in emission line redshifts of QSOs
- Basu, D. (1983)


Redshift quantization in compact groups of galaxies
- Cocke, W. J.; Tifft, W. G. (1983)


The effects of emission line identification on the redshift distribution of QSO's
- Zhou, Y.-Y.; Deng, Z.-G.; Zhou, Z.-L. (1983)


The distribution of quasar emission-line redshifts
- Box, T. C.; Roeder, R. C. (1984)


The distribution of absorption line redshifts of quasars and its origin
- Chu, Y.; Fang, L.; Liu, Y. (1984) (paper not available)


Status of Quantized Extragalactic Redshifts
- Tifft, W. G.; Cocke, W. J. (1984)


Double galaxy redshifts and dynamical analyses
- Sharp, N. A. (1984)


Global redshift quantization
- Tifft, W. G.; Cocke, W. J. (1984)


Double galaxy investigations. III - The differential redshift distribution and emission-line correlations
- Tifft, W. G. (1985)


Theory and interpretation of quantized extragalactic redshifts
- Cocke, W. J. (1985)


The redshift distribution law of quasars revisited
- Depaquit, S.; Pecker, J.-C.; Vigier, J.-P. (1985)


Emission line redshift distribution of QSOs
- Zhou, Y.-Y.; Deng, Z.-G.; Dai, H.-J. (1985)


The distribution of emission line redshift of QSOs
- Basu, D. (1985)


Relativistic realization of a proposed model of quantized redshift
- Nieto, M. M. (1986) (paper not available)


Results from high precision 21-cm redshift measurements
- Cocke, W. J.; Tifft, William G. (1987) (paper not available)


Quantized galaxy redshifts
- Tifft, William G.; Cocke, W. John (1987) (paper not available)


Additional members of the Local Group of galaxies and quantized redshifts within the two nearest groups
- Arp, Halton (1987)


Quantized Redshifts are Real
- Tifft, W. G. (1987) (paper not available)


A different approach to the cosmological quantized redshift problem
- Buitrago, J. (1988) (paper not available)


Quantization of redshift differences in isolated galaxy pairs
- Tifft, W. G.; Cocke, W. J. (1989)


The periodicity in the redshift distribution of the Lyman-alpha forest
- Chu, Yaoquan; Zhu, Xingfen (1989)


Double galaxy redshifts and the statistics of small numbers
- Newman, William I.; Haynes, Martha P.; Terzian, Yervant (1989)


Redshift quantization in the Ly-alpha forest and the measurement of q(0)
- Cocke, W. J.; Tifft, W. G. (1989)


Periodicities in galaxy redshifts
- Croasdale, Martin R. (1989)


Periodicity of quasar redshifts
- Arp, H.; Bi, H. G.; Chu, Y.; Zhu, X. (1990)


Deviation from periodicity in the large-scale distribution of galaxies
- Kurki-Suonio, H.; Mathews, G. J.; Fuller, G. M. (1990)


Large-scale distribution of galaxies at the Galactic poles
- Broadhurst, T. J.; Ellis, R. S.; Koo, D. C.; Szalay, A. S. (1990) (paper not available)


The Virgo cluster as a test for quantization of extragalactic redshifts
- Guthrie, B. N. G.; Napier, W. M. (1990)


Double galaxy redshifts and dynamical analyses. II - Sample comparisons
- Sharp, N. A. (1990)


A large-scale periodic clustering of galaxies as a result of hydromagnetic ringing of gas in a recombination ERA of the expanding universe
- Fujimoto, Mitsuaki (1990)


The redshift peak at Z = 0.06
- Burbidge, G.; Hewitt, A. (1990)


Periodicity of redshift distribution in a T-3 universe
- Fang, Li-Zhi (1990)


Oscillating universe - The periodic redshift distribution of galaxies with a scale 128/h megaparsecs at the galactic poles
- Morikawa, Masahiro (1990)


Quasar redshifts and nearby galaxies
- Karlsson, K. G. (1990)


Can oscillating physics explain an apparently periodic universe?
- Hill, Christopher T.; Steinhardt, Paul J.; Turner, Michael S. (1990) (paper not available)


Claims for periodicity in quasar redshifts
- Scott, Douglas (1991)


Statistical procedure and the significance of periodicities in double-galaxy redshifts
- Cocke, W. J.; Tifft, W. G. (1991)


Coherent peculiar velocities and periodic redshifts
- Hill, Christopher T.; Steinhardt, Paul J.; Turner, Michael S. (1991)


Universe with oscillating expansion rate
- Morikawa, Masahiro (1991)


Quasi-periodicity in deep redshift surveys
- van de Weygaert, Rien (1991)


Against the Delta-ln(1 + z) of about 0.205 periodicity in quasar redshifts
- Scott, D. (1991)


Large-scale structure in the Lyman-alpha forest
- Fang, L. Z. (1991)


Periodic universe and condensate of pseudo-Goldstone field
- Anselm, A. A. (1991)


Quasi-periodic structures in the large-scale galaxy distribution and three-dimensional Voronoi tessellation
- Ikeuchi, Satoru; Turner, Edwin L. (1991)


Evidence for redshift periodicity in nearby field galaxies
- Guthrie, B. N. G.; Napier, W. M. (1991)


Power-spectrum analysis of one-dimensional redshift surveys
- Kaiser, N.; Peacock, J. A. (1991)


Superclusters and pencil-beam surveys - The origin of large-scale periodicity
- Bahcall, Neta A. (1991)


Large-scale periodicity - Problems with cellular models
- Williams, B. G.; Heavens, A. F.; Peacock, J. A. (1991)


Properties of the redshift. III - Temporal variation
- Tifft, W. G. (1991)

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Quantized redshift papers 1992 - 2005


Velocity differences in binary galaxies. I - Suggestions for a nonmonotonic, two-component distribution
- Schneider, Stephen E.; Salpeter, Edwin E. (1992)


Statistical tests of peaks and periodicities in the observed redshift distribution of quasi-stellar objects
- Duari, Debiprosad; Gupta, Patrick D.; Narlikar, Jayant V. (1992)


Possible geometric patterns in 0.1c scale structure
- Tully, R. B.; Scaramella, Roberto; Vettolani, Giampaolo; Zamorani, Giovanni (1992)


Statistical methods for investigating periodicities in double-galaxy redshifts
- Cocke, W. J. (1992)


Statistical properties of the sky distribution of extragalactic infrared sources - Source-number fluctuations and density peaks
- Fabbri, R. (1992)


The distribution of rich clusters of galaxies in the south Galactic pole region
- Guzzo, Luigi; Collins, Chris A.; Nichol, Robert C.; Lumsden, Stuart L. (1992)


Large-scale periodicity and Gaussian fluctuations
- Dekel, Avishai; Blumenthal, George R.; Primack, Joel R.; Stanhill, David (1992)


The peaks and gaps in the redshift distributions of active galactic nuclei and quasars
- Kruogovenko, Andrei A.; Orlov, Viktor V. (1992)


A new method for the detection of a periodic signal of unknown shape and period
- Gregory, P. C.; Loredo, Thomas J. (1992)


Cosmological parameters and redshift periodicity
- Holba, Agnes; Horvath, I.; Lukacs, B.; Paal, G. (1992)


Redshift quantization in the cosmic background rest frame
- Tifft, W. G.; Cocke, W. J. (1993)


The clustering of QSOs at low redshift
- Boyle, B. J.; Mo, H. J. (1993)


Upper limit on periodicity in the three-dimensional large-scale distribution of matter
- Tytler, David; Sandoval, John; Fan, Xiao-Ming (1993)


High-resolution simulation of deep pencil beam surveys - analysis of quasi-periodicity
- Weiss, A. G.; Buchert, T. (1993)


Can Extra Power Explain Periodicity on Large Scales?
- Luo, Shan; Vishniac, Ethan T. (1993)


Quasi-periodical structures in the galaxy populations - Mass and luminosity functions for the cluster galaxies
- Litvin, V. F.; Holzmann, F. M.; Smirnov, A. V.; Taibin, B. S.; Orlov, V. V.; Baryshnikov, V. N. (1993)


Apparently periodic Universe
- Busarello, G.; Capozziello, S.; de Ritis, R.; Longo, G.; Rifatto, A.; Rubano, C.; Scudellaro, P. (1994)


Redshift data and statistical inference
- Newman, William I.; Haynes, Martha P.; Terzian, Yervant (1994)


Once more on quasar periodicities
- Holba, Agnes; Horvath, I.; Lukacs, B.; Paal, G. (1994) (paper not available)


Redshift Quantization - A Review
- Tifft, W. G. (1995) (paper not available)


The Spontaneous Violation of the Cosmological Principle and the Possible Wave Structures of the Universe
- Budinich, P.; Nurowski, P.; Raczka, R.; Ramella, M. (1995)


Global Redshift Periodicities: Association with the Cosmic Background Radiation
- Cocke, W. J.; Tifft, W. G. (1996) (paper not available)


Evidence for quantized and variable redshifts in the cosmic backgroung rest frame
- Tifft, W. G. (1996) (paper not available)


Statiscal analysis of the occurrence of periodicities in galaxy redshift data
- Cocke, W.; Devito, C.; Pitucco, A. (1996) (paper not available)


Redshift periodicity in the Local Supercluster
- Guthrie, B. N. G.; Napier, W. M. (1996)


Testing for quantized redshifts. I. The project
- Napier, W. M.; Guthrie, B. N. G. (1996) (paper not available)


Testing for quantized redshifts. II. The Local Supercluster
- Napier, W. M.; Guthrie, B. N. G. (1996) (paper not available)


The 37.5 km s-1 redshift periodicity of galaxies as the machion frequency
- Arp, Halton (1996)


Galactic periodicity and the oscillating G model
- Salgado, Marcelo; Sudarsky, Daniel; Quevedo, Hernando (1996)


Global Redshift Periodicities and Periodicity Structure
- Tifft, W. G. (1996)


The Periodic Distribution of Redshifts
- Carvalho, J. C. (1997) (paper not available)


Global Redshift Periodicities and Periodicity Variability
- Tifft, W. G. (1997)


The redshift periodicity of galaxies as a probe of the correctness of general relativity
- Valerio Faraoni (1997)


A 120 MPC Periodicity in the Three-Dimensional Distribution of Galaxy Superclusters
- Einasto, J.; Einasto, M.; Gottloeber, S.; Mueller, V.; Saar, V.; Starobinsky, A. A.; Tago, E.; Tucker, D.; Andernach, H.; Frisch, P. (1997)


A study of the large-scale distribution of galaxies in the South Galactic Pole region - II. Further evidence for a preferential clustering scale?
- Ettori, S.; Guzzo, L.; Tarenghi, M. (1997)


Redshift Quantization in the Cosmic Background Rest Frame
- Tifft, W. G. (1997)


The Possible Redshift Clumping of Damped Lyman-alpha Absorbers
- Gal, R.; Djorgovski, S. G. (1997)


Quantized Redshifts: A Status Report
- Napier, W. M.; Guthrie, B. N. G. (1997)


The supercluster-void network - II. an oscillating cluster correlation function
- Einasto, J.; Einasto, M.; Frisch, P.; Gottlober, S.; Muller, V.; Saar, V.; Starobinsky, A. A.; Tago, E.; Tucker, D.; Andernach, H. (1997)


Periodicity in the Redshift Distribution of Quasi Stellar Objects
- Duari, Debiprosad (1997)


Periodicity revealed by statistics of the absorption-line redshifts of quasars
- Liu, Yong-Zhen; Hu, Fu-Xing (1998)


The spatial and temporal distribution of matter in the redshift interval z = 1.2-3.2
- Ryabinkov, A. I.; Varshalovich, D. A.; Kaminker, A. D. (1998) (paper not available)


Periodicity in quasar redshifts or selection effects?
- Basu, D. (1999) (paper not available)


Clustering Properties of Low-Redshift QSO Absorption Systems Toward the Galactic Poles
- vanden Berk, Daniel E.; Lauroesch, James T.; Stoughton, Chris; Szalay, Alexander S.; Koo, David C.; Crotts, Arlin P. S.; Blades, J. Chris; Melott, Adrian L.; Boyle, Brian J.; Broadhurst, Thomas J.; York, Donald G. (1999)


Galaxy Clustering and Large-Scale Structure from z=0.2 to z=0.5 in Two Norris Redshift Surveys
- Small, Todd A.; Ma, Chung-Pei; Sargent, Wallace L. W.; Hamilton, Donald (1999)


Space-time distributions of QSO absorption systems
- Kaminker, A. D.; Ryabinkov, A. I.; Varshalovich, D. A. (2000)


Spatial structure and periodicity in the Universe
- González, J. A.; Quevedo, H.; Salgado, M.; Sudarsky, D. (2000)


The Distribution of Redshifts in New Samples of Quasi-stellar Objects
- Burbidge, G.; Napier, W. M. (2001)


Periodicity versus selection effects in the redshift distribution of QSOs
- Basu, D. (2001) (paper not available)


Electrostatic interaction energy and factor 1.23
- Rubcic, A.; Arp, H.; Rubcic, J. (2002)


No Periodicities in 2dF Redshift Survey Data
- E. Hawkins, S.J. Maddox, M.R. Merrifield (2002)


Quantum Perturbative Approach to Discrete Redshift
- Mark D. Roberts (2002)


The supercluster-void network V.. The regularity periodogram
- Saar, E.; Einasto, J.; Toomet, O.; Starobinsky, A. A.; Andernach, H.; Einasto, M.; Kasak, E.; Tago, E. (2002) (paper not available)


Redshift periodicities, The Galaxy-Quasar Connection
- Tifft, W. G. (2003) (paper not available)


The Sources of Gamma-Ray Bursts and Their Connections with QSOs and Active Galaxies
- Burbidge, G. R. (2003) (paper not available)


Is the Redshift Clustering of Long-Duration Gamma-Ray Bursts Significant?
- J. S. Bloom (2003)


The detection of periodicity in QSO data sets
- Napier, W. M.; Burbidge, G. (2003) (paper not available)


Discrete Components in the Radial Velocities of ScI Galaxies
- M.B. Bell, S.P. Comeau, D.G. Russell (2004)


Large Scale Periodicity in Redshift Distribution
- K. Bajan, M. Biernacka, P. Flin, W. Godlowski, V. Pervushin, A. Zorin (2004)


Distances of Quasars and Quasar-Like Galaxies: Further Evidence that QSOs may be Ejected from Active Galaxies
- M. B. Bell (2004)


Selection Effects in the Redshift Distribution of Gamma-Ray Bursts and Associated Quasi-stellar Objects and Active Galaxies
- Basu, D. (2005) (paper not available)


Periodicities of Quasar Redshifts in Large Area Surveys
- H. Arp, C. Fulton, D. Roscoe (2005)


Evidence for Cosmological Oscillations in the Gold SnIa Dataset
- R. Lazkoz, S. Nesseris, L. Perivolaropoulos (2005)


Critical Examinations of QSO Redshift Periodicities and Associations with Galaxies in Sloan Digital Sky Survey Data
- Su Min Tang, Shuang Nan Zhang (2005)

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In addition to an ATM section, BAUT has a Conspiracy Theories (CT) section.

Perhaps you might consider starting a thread in that section?

I mention this because the part of your post that I am quoting seems to go far, far, far beyond anything supported, or supportable, by the evidence, either observational or the continuing publication of papers that have, in some sense, a bearing on the general question of periodicies in galaxy redshifts.

In case you choose not to start a CT thread on this, or a related, topic, I shall ask some questions about your claims, as stated:

1) Given the many papers published on the general topic, what is the basis for you assertion that "this information is ignored"?

2) Given the wide range of different periodicities reported in the literature, by different observers, from different datasets, and so on (and, sometimes, considerable differences from the same set of galaxies, or from the same observers); given the wide range of reported statistical significance of the different periodicities; given ... what is the basis for your claim concerning the existence of a universal ~72 km/s galaxy redshift period?

3) With the exception of Tifft, yourself, and (peripherally) Arp and Narlikar, no interpretations of the reported galaxy redshift observations has been put on the table in this thread (so far)*. What is the objective basis for your assertion that "[a]stronomers cannot see how a 72 km/s periodicity can exist all over the sky unless we are at a special place which they cannot accept"?

*I may have missed some; if you, would a reader please point it/them out?

Bajan, Flin, Godlowski, and Pervushin 2006 (astro-ph/0606294v1), one of the papers in rtomes' list, includes Figure 3: "The distribution of radial velocities in the Hercules Supercluster". Text in the body of the paper directly relevant to this includes: "Our sample contained 2522 galaxies with radial velocities in the range (7500, 15000) km.s^-1, and it was complete in 80%.".

rtomes: what statistical tests do you consider valid, to compare the data in Figure 3 with the graphic you posted in #74 of this thread?

Please confirm that this is it (link is to an ADS abstract).

Ari: I just have to respond to this quickly (first: that's quite a list there!). I'll eventually get into some details in the quasars and spectroscopy thread we talked about, but none of these papers at least (I can't say directly about the earlier ones), include selection effects. In fact, Bell (2004) explicitly admits this!

which is absolutely, 100% false! The target selection algorithm produced the biased selection leading to the observed peaks and valleys in the redshift distribution. I realize that some of the other papers on your list say essentially this (e.g. Tang and Zhang 2005), but I wanted to make sure it was clear.

My comments in a previous thread stand as written, especially with regards to the plot from Richards et al. (2007). Any discussion of bulk properties in SDSS (or any other sample, for that matter) must explicitly include corrections for how the objects were identified.

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That seems to be the one from which the diagram in the OP was derived.

ADS gives 479 citations.

However, I rather doubt that "[r]edshift quantization" is a common term within the mainstream astronomical community to describe the kind of results presented; rather, these results are all about 'large-scale structure'.

Indeed, the SDSS and 2dF surveys* have been used to provide much of the data which underlies the 'large-scale structure' pillar of today's concordance cosmological models (especially LCDM). For a snapshot, have a look at this SDSS PR.

FWIW, there's no need to discuss large-scale structure papers, or findings, in the ATM section; it is mainstream astronomy!

*It is quite interesting to follow the careers of Broadhurst, Ellis, Koo, and Szalay, from 1990, to see their roles in these two surveys, and the relationship of these surveys' results in 'precision cosmology'.

(my bold)

What is the geometry of the space (space-time?) in which this proposed wave is embedded?

Does this proposed wave contribute to the universe's mass-energy?

In relation to the DE (Dark Energy), DM (Dark Matter), baryonic (including leptons!), neutrino, and photon components of mass-energy, how large is this feedback?

Here's the thing then: the early datasets include redshift observations of ~<100 galaxies. Later datasets have ~>1000 galaxies. None of the later, larger, studies produce "72 km.s quanta" signals with correspondingly better statistical significance ... if anything, the reverse (Tifft's papers claim a significance greater than almost any subsequent paper!).

Further, the more recent work benefited from the earlier work in aspects such as more careful selection, higher precision input data, better statistical tools, ...

Which brings us to a pretty common place, in these ATM threads: please provide your own analysis of the statistical significance of the various published "72 km.s quanta" results, including all the 'null' findings.Strange you should write that ... as I noted in an earlier post, this 1990 result is an early one, reporting a part of the matter power spectrum ('large scale structure') that had not previously been well-studied.

If you are interested to know how the "128 Mpc periodicity" relates to today's (mainstream) LCDM cosmological models, please start a thread in the Q&A section ... it's a very interesting topic!

When I first suggested large scale structure and gave the periodicities in 1994, I was told by many astronomers that the universe was uniform at large scales as a result of the big bang. I was a voice in the wilderness.

Now the big bang folk are claiming that they predicted them in articles that I see in popular magazines. I feel pretty ****ed off about that because it is not long ago that they were all denying the possibility.