The chief of the ICP has been talking to some PXers methinks.

http://www.carnicom.com/time1.htm

Great

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This guy almost makes Nancy look sane!

Guess what his conclusions are? That rotational speed HAS increased since "aeosol operations" started #-o

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Ah hah! Planet X is slowing the Earth down, and the chemtrails are speeding it up.

No wonder it's bobbling!

This must account for the incredible variance in the measurements of the slowdown by the PX believers.

Can't win eh? First chemtrails are covering up pX - now they're being used to initiate a pole shift?!?!

I would prefer the chemtrails are tools for culling the worlds population claims over this!

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Okay... planes flying through the air... are pushing the earth around... using giant cans of bug spray... I think I'm bleeding internally now.

Avian

I read that article. Carnicom didn't conclude anything. You might want to read it again.

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Well, Carnicom has concluded that aircraft contrails are not really contrails, but chemtrails, a spray made up of any number of things for any number of purposes, depending on when / who you ask.

That ought to be enough to dismiss the man as a loon.

However, his whole web site is also chock full of other loony stuff for you to judge him by.

He is equivalent to Nancy, except his crusade is to end the spraying of chemicals on us via "chemtrails".

You may mock, but we'll see who has the last laugh when the chemtrails are our last line of defense against the solar-powered AIs who are planning to stick us in the Matrix!

*blink*

Oh. Wait. Reality. Sorry, slipped up there. #-o

Yours in the Animatrix,

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Indeed, he does not say that there is a proven connection between rotational speed increase "aerosol operations" but the above quote is close enuff for me. And, the more of his site you read, the nuttier he appears to be.

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Well, actually, no. A big part of being a competent scientist or engineer is having the knowledge and experience to grasp right away if something is wildly off base. If so, it doesn't merit further effort unless there is some kind of evidence to support it.
The above quote is a favorite tactic of pseudoscientists and outright cranks of all kinds.

Absolutely! But of course he can carry out the "honest research" since he seems to be able to pick up various disciplines very quickly (e.g., magnetic resonance).

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What are you trying to say Spike? Carnicom is not alluding that? Maybe you ought to read it again, the gist of the article is hard to miss. If Carnicom is not trying to make a point, why did their site generate the article? "Chemtrails" are a myth and I'm willing to back up what I say with some basic science if you're interested. Frankly, I'm surprised people actually believe in "evil" contrails in the first place but .. you'll have that, I suppose :-?

I see contrails all the time. Jets fly overhead once and a while, and I've seen the occasional fighter jet going on a joyride or training session. My water tastes fine.

Carnicom is a seasoned Internet campaigner and knows better than to come right out and say something like "chemtrails are causing the Earth's rotation to slow!", because he knows there's no evidence to support it, and because he knows that precisely because of that, the Mainstream Science types will be down on him like a duck on a june bug.

I read the article, too, linked from another website, and at the time I came to the same conclusion as Spike--Clifford ain't gonna come right out and say it, 'cause he's been burned too many times by the ScienceSpeakers.

But, he doesn't need to come right out and say it, since a wink's as good as a nod for the Alternative Theories Group...

I did some research on Carnicom and get the impression they believe in chemtrails. One site, while critical of the EPA's handling of a Carnicom "sample," shows some flaws in Carnicom's m/o. It's a huge download but if anyone's interested it can be found here. I think chemtrails, like Nancy's Planet X or the people who say we didn't land on the Moon are just different variations of the surprisingly prevalent Conspiracy Theory movement.

Carnicom claims that mysterious web-like materials are falling from "chemtrials." From the URL given above:

One of the most interesting cases of "mystery webs" ocurred during the WW2 Battle of Britain (1940-41) when German aircraft were conducting frequent bombing attacks on British airfields, bases, and later, cities. People started finding mysterious web materials in trees and on the ground, and were convinced that they were some kind of Nazi secret weapon! Investigation found (as in the case noted above) that they were a by-product of spider mating! Or, if they were wrong, a 1940 Nazi chemtrail attack!

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Keep in mind that he has zero evidence for this conclusion, despite many years of looking, and hundreds of claims of proof. He has banned everyone who does not believe. Absolutely no one around him is allowed to be critical of him on his pet issue, nor are they. It has been that way for years. I know from personal experience.

To me, he is exactly like Nancy, but with a different agenda.

That says everything I need to know right there!

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Then you don't need to look here, Musashi! This is Carnicom's latest insanity. I present it for comparison to Nancy's style of inventing evidence.

http://www.carnicom.com/meeting.htm

The stuff about fine filaments, also called surgical strings in other copies of this diatribe, is due to the ICP's refusal to recognize that spiders can be very prolific with their web making at certain times of the year!

NO! I looked!

It starts off great:

I have heard that a lot on nutjob sites. "We have a high placed military source who wishes to remain unnamed." Yeah, ok, I'll just put anything after that right where it belongs, in the garbage. For all you guys know, I could be a highly placed military source, or I could be the second assistant janitor at the Chino Correctional Facility.

It gets better:

Huh? The metals heat up from the sun and create a "perfect" environment for blah blah blah. How hot do these "Metals" get? How does the sun heat them enough to make a "perfect" environment? Wouldn't the Sun and it's everpresent UV rays kill the bacteria?

and better:

The ultimate caveat of the truely paranoid.

But he truely saved the best for last:

Thank you for clearing that up Cliffy. Now I know for sure that all this information belongs in the trash can. :roll:

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People that believe in chemtrails generally don't know how contrails are produced. They are simply condensation from high flying aircraft. Contrails are known to "evolve" into cirrus-type clouds which the chemtrail believers often mistake as evidence of a dispersal of some kind. The altitude involved in contrail (chemtrail to the woo woos) formation would make dispersal an unrealistic option. Imagine a crop duster 5-6 miles high .. kinda hard to hit your target even without prevailing winds, etc. You also have to wonder how an agent will maintain it's viability after a 5-6 mile fall. I agree with LTC8K6, Carnicom is synonymous with Nancy's Zeta spiel .. same church, different pew.

(Edited to get LTC8K6's handle right .. hey! it's Saturday night \/ )

Woo Woo Alert! This guy may be worse than Nancy--she gets her stuff via an alient transplant in her brain. What is his excuse?

A few more howlers from his "Meeting" web page (his numbers):

Not a very clever way to test a bio-agent! It would be very hard to estimate the size of the exposed population or the effective delivered dose. It would be even harder to determine what effects the delivered dose produced, since there is no way of learning about outcomes, doctor visits, pre-existing conditions, etc. of the putatively exposed population. In other words, a concept of research/experimentation that could only be held by a person with no training in experimental design or health science.

In addition to the points made in the previous post by Musashi, one must question what nutrient source on the filaments sustains the organisms as they float arround for possibly long periods. Also, what happens at night? Do the bad guys only spray in the Summer. If not, how do the critters survive long cold nights without being killed or attenuated?

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Great--besides all the military and industry types who must be relied upon to keep this dark secret, all the numerous ground crew, flight crew, and related personnel who come into contact with the aircraft must also be in on the plot, or, through great effort, be kept in the dark.

This stuff almost makes PX look logical......

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I read on one chemtrail site, a testimonial from someone who claimed to be an airline mechanic. He claimed that he was filling in for some other guy and he "discovered" all sorts of "extra" gear on a commercial airliner that he then assumed was being used for spraying chemtrails. He backed it up by saying that he got chased out of the plane by another mechanic or something like that.

On Cliffo's site there is a picture of a plane with tail-mounted engines and a contrail that is as wide of the whole plane. He concludes that it is obvious spraying. I say that the pressure differential caused by the wings (conspicuously know as "lift") could cause the water to condense out of the air and create a contrail. I'm not an expert, but then again, neither is Cliff.

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Trust me, if you have to worry about stuff, you have more to fear from the sun (skin cancer) than those whispy contrails. Contrails have been around for many years, the chemtrail hocus is a rather recent paranoia, it's plain dumb. Those chemtrail believers might as well put aluminum foil over their windows while their at it, never know when the evil gov't might start beaming microwaves their way! #-o

Are those the same microwaves they use to make crop circles?

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If I never hear about crop circles again it will be too soon! :P

Well, uh... too late. :P

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