I've been a lurker here for a long time, and I have to laugh whenever I come into these forums. It seems a number of you are so quick to debunk Planet X with little or no knowledge of astonomy, it's becoming more and more amusing.

I am sure a Planet X does exist out there, whether it's coming in 2003 is another matter. I like to keep an open mind.

One question, if you believe Planet X isn't real, why are you even bothering with this Nancy Leider (who you label as a kook)? She is just an attention whore, right? You're giving her what she wants. Stop being so negative and talk about something else if you don't believe it.

As long as there are people that are seriously scared by this PX crap, we have to talk about it. And every now and then scared people appear here on this board. And the BA can be proud that some of them could really be helped.

When you're sure that PX exists, then you should be able to present unrefutable proof for it here. Please. But, please no explanations that violate basic physical laws.

I believe that it is possible that there may be another object orbiting the sun beyond Pluto. I do not believe that it's orbit ever approaches our orbit around the sun.

Debunking PlanetX (a la Nancy Lieder) requires no knowledge of astronomy.

I'll echo Kucharek, what make you so "sure" that Planet X exists? And, what makes you think it is ever "coming." I like to keep an open mind too, but that does not mean I need to believe everything that other people say is true.

Why do we bother with Nancy? There are different reasons for different people. Some people are still being fooled by her nonsense. So, some of us here are trying to keep others from being fooled. Some people like to watch Nancy squirm. A kind of, "What is she going to come up with next?!" attitude. Some of us wonder how she comes up with stuff, and if she believes it. Some of the threads are debate about points of archeology, etymology, astronomy, physics, etc...

If all we do here is make you laugh, why do you come here?

What do you think we should talk about (and why do you get to dictate what we should talk about?).

Planet X, as Nancy Lieder describes it, does not exist. Nancy Lieder is either mentally unstable or perpatrating a fraud upon all of her believers.

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Hmm .. care to give us an example of our "little or no knowledge of astronomy"?

The Sumerians had some interesting theories, they also believed in a 10th/12th planet.

Why do I come here? Cos you make me laugh, perhaps? I have never seen such a number of biased people in the same forum.

And you should talk about something other than Planet X. If you do, this Internet myth as you call it, will just go away. Don't feed the trolls.

Sumerian theories. Okay, you got me. That's irrefutable proof.
Your appearance increased their number by one.
Well, that's the subject of this forum. Go into a baseball forum and tell them, they should talk about something else but baseball.
This forum is surely not the place that keeps this myth alive.
Okay, I quit talking to you.

I'd like to know how that is possible, since they could only see 6 of them.

Maybe those with really good eyesight could see the seventh.

Maybe.

I've been a poster here for a long time and I have to laugh whenever I come into these forums. It seems a number of Nancy followers were so quick to promote Planet X with little or no knowledge of astronomy, it was very amusing.

You are confusing the term "open mind" with "gullible" as there is no evidence for PX.

Answered in previous posts above. There may still be people out there who are scared and confused by Nancy and her PX-doomsday garbage and with luck they will find these forums and see that Nancy is a crock. Maintaining such a forum does not give her attention (now BABB posters going to GLP is another story . . .).

http://xfacts.com/x2.htm

Go here, you might actually learn something about the Sumerians and their references to an extra planet.

I don't think there would be so much information of it if there wasn't truth. Planet X got me into astronomy, and I'm learning a lot about what's happening in the real world because of it.

Been there, checked it out already, not worth any more of my time. If you find something specific from the site that you want to talk about, OK. Otherwise, I don't feel like debunking the whole site.

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Truth Seeker, go here and YOU may actually learn something about the misinterpretations of the Sumarian texts and the planet they didn't see.

Well I think that clears up where "Truth Seeker" is coming from -- and he/she is not looking for truth.

The only ancient "scholar" who thinks that the Sumerians thought there was an extra planet is Sitchen. Since then he has been proven wrong in not just his understanding of astronomy, but in his translations as well. Therefore, he cannot be considered a valid source of astronomy information.

This is a logical fallacy. It is the quality, not the quantity of evidence which helps to determine if something is true. From everything we've seen from Sitchen and others, the quality of their evidence is highly suspect.

I'm glad that you say you are interested in astronomy. I hope that you continue to learn. However, make sure that you are learning from a reliable source.

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The Sumerians discovered and began using opium ("hul gil" or "herb of joy") about 4000BCE.

It's possible they saw more than 12 planets.

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In regards to Px, I am not certain whether this thing really exists or not, if it does, we will see it some day. There is one thing I am certain of, There is no planet a mere 14 million miles away, that has been sitting stationary for 2 1/2 months after crossing the solar system at better than 2,000,000 MPH, it is 4 times the size of the Earth, with 26 times the gravity of Jupiter, looks like a lens flare, and their own star charts put it parallel to Scorpio, about 30 degrees to the south. Bad news, Scorpio is now fully visible in the morning sky and there is nothing out of the ordinary 30 degrees to the south. Not to mention that this thing violated almost every known law in the universe. The arguments they make are some of the most asinine I have heard of in years. Most of their supporting facts have absolutely nothing to do with a supermassive object
encroaching on our space. [-X

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Your first post mentions Nancy and suddenly were talking about Sumerians. You might be confusing two separate theories, Nancy and Sitchin.

There are a couple of active Sitchin threads on this board already, if you are into Sitchin theories then you should post your thoughts there. The items brought up in your link have been discussed numerous times in those threads and there are many pro-Sitchin, pro-ETUFO posters who frequent those threads and debate such issues (of course, you should have known that since you have been "a lurker here for a long time").

you've got to admit, Truth Seeker kicked over the lantern with this one

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There have been many posters with soilid astronomy credentials who have refuted the claims of Leider, Hazlewood and Sitchin. Run a search for JS Princeton or Celetail Mechanic, for instance. Unfortunately, they got tired of beating their heads against brick walls and retired to more productive areas.

Wonderful. Just don't keep it so open your brains fall out!

There may be other planets beyond Pluto. (First, of course, define "planet.") But none of them is the PX of Leider or Hazlewood, or the Nibiru of Sitchin.

Unfortunately, Leider and Hazlewood have had an adverse impact on gullible people. Leider has even gone so far as to sell PX-proof houses and advocate euthanizing your pets. Both of them - and other PX proponents - feed on and promote fear, despair and even panic among those who are weak-minded enough to believe them. It would be irresponsible to allow them to continue unopposed.

Sitchin is slightly better. All he wants to do is sell you his books.

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I'm not sure if that statement is based on rudeness or ignorance. Probably both. If your goal was to provoke us, good job! =D>
TriangleMan answered that well. If you want to say it's possible that PX exists somewhere out there, everyone will agree with you. But to be so certain that something exists when there is no evidence of it... you can find better things to put your faith into.
I found this site in March after a friend of mine become worried about PX destroying the earth in early June. He was looking for safe sites and buying copper tubing to distill water after the floods come. After investigating the PX phenomena, looking at the sky where Nancy said it should be, and hearing how Nancy disregards all real evidence and request for proof while continuing to promote her dooms day PX... I become rather angry at her for fooling my friend and so many other people. ... That is why I come to and post on this forum. That and the fact that PXers keep posting absurd pictures of flares saying they are PX and saying other things with little or no knowledge of astronomy (or basic physics or common sense for that matter), it's becoming more and more amusing. I believe I've already explained why I'm so negative about Nancy and all the other PX lunacy.

So Truth Seeker", I suggest you follow the idea behind your name and DO a little Truth Seeking.
Truth is NOT saying that something DOES exist when there is no evidence of it.
No no no good lord no! [-X Quantity of information does not mean Quality of information. If someone wrote a 10000 page document on Santa Clause being real would that make him real? You really must SEEK THE TRUTH with a bit of skepticism otherwise you will end up believing all kinds of garbage. #-o

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I must not PX. PX is the mind-killer. I will face my PX. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the PX has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

I don't post here often, but I do enjoy scanning the boards now and then.

If I had to guess why people keep up with it, I would say:

PURE ENTERTAINMENT VALUE

it's the thinking man's version of "When _____ Attack!"

Just a little guiltless pleasure, and some good might even come from mockery directed at the ZetaLoons by those in the know.

Besides, the Zetas might tell Nancy one day that all who want to survive the pole shift have to cut off certain body parts and drink the "special" kool-aid. Then it might turn out that the these fine people of the BABB might have actually saved a life or two!

No, they didn't.

I can argue from authority here, as I'm an anthropology student. I've seen the material, I've reviewed known legends and sources. They only knew of the planets we can actually see with the naked eye (up to Saturn.)

Not 10. Not 20. They didn't know about moons of Jupiter or anything not immediately visible to the eye.

S-S-S- Santa's not real?

Of course he's real, the BA banned him a few weeks ago! :P (He wasn't as jolly as legends made him out to be though)

Uh-oh, Wolf forgot that this is a family friendly board... Of course, we know there's a Santa Claus. As Jim Lovell told us in '68.

*Whew* Ok, I'm Ok now. Thanks \/

It was just a hypothetical example. :roll: :wink: #-o 8) =D> 8-[

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I must not PX. PX is the mind-killer. I will face my PX. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the PX has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

(ok, here she goes...)

Here's the thing, people:

Why react to an individual whose sole purpose is to rile us up? I think that was obvious, since one of the first things said was that Planet X was being judged without any knowledge of astronomy...
And besides, how relevant is it that he/she disagrees with the majority? I read the BABB almost every day, and I can't tell you how many posts I skip or gloss over because they don't interest me! After all, TruthSeeker is entitled to post and I am entitled to ignore said posts.

(whew)

But I did want to say this:

When I was young, maybe 9 or 10, I found this book in my Dad's bookshelf--Chariots of the Gods. I was 9 years old. My knowledge of ANYthing was minimal, at best. I read that book and it scared the carrots out of me. I mean, it sounded legit, it made sense, and how was I to know at that age that "non-fiction" books could be fiction?

Luckily, I learned to think for myself...eventually. :wink:

Why do I still chat about PX?
Frankly, I find it fascinating. Do people really believe something because it sounds legit? yep. Are people so apathetic that they refuse to find things out for themselves? yep. Does Nancy really think those pictures of nothing are proof of PX? unknown.
I have no noble minded high level unselfish reason for being involved in the PX situation. I find it entertaining and interesting.

But am I going to change my mind just because someone tells me I should? probably not.

I say, keep up the PX chat and debunking, why not...at least AsimovGirl will be entertained!

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So an old civilization must by definition have acquired more astronomical knowledge than today's astronomers, physicists, geologists, biologists; with space probes, incredible computers and instruments like Hubble, etc., etc.?

It always amazes me that folks would rather buy into magical thinking that ancient civilizations had such mysterious powers and knowledge, rather than to take a look around at the incredible advances in knowledge that scientists have made in the last century alone.

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Do you think that the understanding of today's technology has advanced so far out of the reach of many people that rather than embrace it, they distrust it? How many folks have a clue how Hubble works. Or even how a computer really works. Heck, there's still lot of people that can't set the timers on their VCRs, and VCRs are becoming passe'!

Ahh! But magic is something that is beyond understanding, so it must be real. The "beleivers" can't argue with the astonomers about the mechanic of the universe because the astronomers have logic and proof and the education to back up that proof. But, the "believers" can argue about magic and bogus theories. It is something that they can explain, at least to their satisfaction, and that gives them a degree of control.

They may feel inferior to scientist about science and technology but they are on equal footing with magic!

...Just a thought, what do you think?

You bet! :^o :P http://www.essentialitskills.com/images/caveman.gif

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I must not PX. PX is the mind-killer. I will face my PX. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the PX has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.