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The Simple Harmonic Universe


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Ok, what is this?
I mean really...

It's completely distracting me from the rest of your posts

Whenever I see a string of letters like that it usually means Spam-bot...
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Predictionsarchive, I suggest you read the Rules for Posting. Personal attacks, including ad hominems, are frowned upon here and can result in a suspension or ban.

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Perhaps this does not exactly qualify as a mathematical proof, but it is kind of how I started thinking about an alternative big bang model...

Everyone is familiar with the balloon analogy in big bang theory. We picture a balloon that has galaxies and stellar objects drawn on its surface, and as it is blown up the distance between the galaxies increases. This is a 2d model of how our universe is expanding. In this model, we see the balloon expanding in a direction (outward) that is at right angles to the two spatial dimensions of the balloons surface. This causes objects on the surface to recede from one another, but this is simply a side effect of the expansion of the universe itself. One of the basic concepts in the science of motion is that forces that act at right angles to one another have no affect on each other. If we take the balloon analogy to be representative of the universe we live in, then we must conclude that gravity cannot affect the expansion of the universe itself. It acts at right angles to the direction in which the universe is expanding.

Maybe this is a gross oversimplification. Maybe the balloon analogy is not really how our universe works. But because the implications of gravity not slowing down the expansion of the universe are so great, I think cosmologists should to at least examine the simple harmonic universe model as it takes this into account. To my knowledge, no other cosmological model claims as one of its tenets that gravity is not affecting the expansion of the universe.
Hi predictionsarchive and welcome.

Cosmology is by necessity full of speculation because science can go only just so far at answering the questions. The body of scientific knowledge does not include a complete cosmology and we are left to speculate about what the missing reality is.

However if your cosmology is a complete departure from the point that science can and does go, then you have a large gap to fill with step by step speculation before you can begin to describe how your reality works.

It is true that the action of forces in the 2-D example is at right angles, but I can’t see how that can apply to reality, or to the expansion that we observe. It cannot be derived from the 2D example even though empirically in 2-D it looks that way. I’m not sure that the (3,1) 4-D model can even be visualized by the human mind , but in simple 3-D, accelerating expansion is expressed by the increase in momentum of the change in separation of the galaxies moving way from each other in all directions, not just in two dimensions.

Before I can hope to understand the Simple Harmonic Cosmology I need to know how you cross the gap from the 2-D right angle anomaly with the 3-D observational reality?
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In this simple harmonic universe model, the graph is the thing doing the determining. The way the universe evolves over time comes directly from the graph. The physical attributes, the expansion rate, Hubble's constant, the size of the universe at a given time, is determines BY the graph. The galaxies and objects IN the universe are not receding from one another, they are simply following geodesic paths along the surface of the five dimensional sphere. (Refer to earlier image for analogy)
Do you have the causality backward, or am I in need of a hyperdimensional brain transplant?

It always has been my understanding that a graph, or any mathematical expression for that matter, is a description of some object or event, not the cause thereof. Please clarify.
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Bogie, I am afraid that we cannot see the universe as it truly is. We are three dimensional beings and thus we are stuck to the surface of that balloon. We see galaxies receding from one another and we think this is all there is to it. The relationship between the one spatial dimensional universe model ...

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.. and ours is direct. We are stuck with lower dimensional models if we wish understand the bigger picture.

Maybe another was to see it is like this: We can use conventional big bang theory to plot a graph of the distance between two given galaxies over time. This graph is determined by the initial expansion of the universe and gravity (and inflation and dark energy or whatever else you throw in). But in the big bang model, the graph is determined by how the universe evolves over time.

In this simple harmonic universe model, the graph is the thing doing the determining. The way the universe evolves over time comes directly from the graph. The physical attributes, the expansion rate, Hubble's constant, the size of the universe at a given time, is determines BY the graph. The galaxies and objects IN the universe are not receding from one another, they are simply following geodesic paths along the surface of the five dimensional sphere. (Refer to earlier image for analogy)

Obviously there is no measurable proof of this. It is simply the main tenet of the simple harmonic universe model. Again, I am not asking anyone to believe this theory. All I want is for this model to be considered as a viable cosmological model. The universe is going to be the way it is despite our beliefs. The universe does not care which theory we like. It is what it is. I just think that cosmologists have overlooked a perfectly legitimate cosmological model. How the universe progresses over time is way outside our ability to observe. At this point, the graph (in the simple harmonic universe model) is still nearly straight. The universe may not reach its maximum size for trillions of years. We have no way to know at this time. The deviation from a straight line is too small.
I think I understand what you mean. You are saying that the universe is what it is, and we can't observe it long enough to see that it follows the graph. If we could we would see it reach a point of completion of one phase of following the graph and it would change to the opposite phase and go back the other way like reaching a turning point. Harmonic. Is that anywhere close?
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I may be getting the picture. Does the volume of the universe stay the same as the harmonic waves change its shape, like a water balloon that is shape changing as it flies through the air if you aren't careful how you throw it .
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The main tenet of the Simple Harmonic Universe is that the expansion of the universe follows simple harmonic motion. A graph of this motion simply shows what is happening. The difference between this model and the standard big bang model is that the standard model has gravity slowing down the expansion. The simple harmonic model says that the expansion rate, size and other properties of the universe are determined geometrically and that gravity between objects in the universe has no effect on them. It is progression along the outside of the hyperverse that determines its size at any point in time.
This sounds like some sort of a higher-dimensional analogy to the general relativity theory of what we commonly call gravitation, that is, unforced motion along a spacetime geodesic.

In a previous post you said the behavior of the universe was caused by a graph. Now you are saying something else, or appear to be doing so. I suspect some sort of a vocabulary gap here.
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