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Subject: Russian Scientist says planets' atmospheres are changing

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: The Bad Astronomer on 2002-03-11 10:25 ]</font>

So, is that what you are calling "human wickedness?" Seems like a stretch to me, even though I think my dog tried to talk to us yesterday.

Or perhaps Arthur C. Clarke got it right!

That was a huge load of hogwash but I'll just comment on the first couple of paragraphs. The Mars Observer was lost a couple of days before orbit insertion, probably due to a fuel system explosion, a fact apparently unknown to the Russian Academy of Sciences. The Mars Odyssey Orbiter recently completed 3 months of aerobraking in the upper Martian atmosphere just as planned. Finally, I am unaware of any planetery probes that have mirrors attached to them. What conceivable use could they have?

Backing out of the driveway? [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

The only "mirrors" on the Mars Observer are inside the spacecraft. See second paragraph under "How It Works" in this article: http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...gy_000623.html
As far as I know, these are part of the light collector, and are not attached outside the craft.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Chip on 2002-03-11 11:19 ]</font>

Natrium is sodium, symbol Na. Mike Mendillo of Boston U. has found huge atmospheres of sodium around the moon, mercury, and jupiter. They may have always been there, but just were never before looked for.

Dunash,
You are a hoot! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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In the summer 1998 Biblical Astronomer Gerardus Bouw has a mathematical article "The Waves of Sin". He shows from Biblical verses how the steady increase in height of waves in the Atlantic is related to an increase in entropy and to human behaviour. That the powers of heaven dictate the behaviour of waves spiritually & physically: through righteousness & gravity. Roaring waves are related to an increase in unrighteousness: II Samuel 22:5,Job 38:11, Psalms 88:7, 93:3, 107:21-31, Isaiah 48:18, Jeremiah 51:42, Jonah 2:3, Zechariah 10:11 etc. The amount of order in both gravity and righteousness is high ie their entropy is low. Electrical power can be generated from gravity (through falling water) with near 100% efficiency. Political & economic power can be generated with near 100% efficiency by righteous behaviour. Without truth, the binding force of order is dissolved. During the last 150 years, lies & those who believe them have abounded exponentially in the world eg evolution,uniformitarianism,that sodomy is not a sin, that adultery is acceptable, communism, socialism, the creation of fiat money etc etc. All these increase entropy on the earth, affect the gravitaional field, wave heights, frequency & violence of earthquakes & by extension into the solar system & beyond ie that sin is punished or opposed has been built as a cause & effect into the universe.

I apologize if this comes off as unnecessarily argumentative, but I just gotta know if you really, actually believe any of this tripe, or if you are just trying to help keep things lively around here. I'd also like to add that, in reference to your last post, one does not need to get into any astronomy in order to dismiss Bouw's article. In fact, addressing the astronomical aspects of it would require one to at least temporarily accept the validity of his pre-theoretical assumptions.

You know, I thought gravity was getting stronger. Fifteen years ago I used to stride right up those forest trails with a 50-lb pack, now it's all I can do to crawl up them carrying a water bottle and a candy bar. Darned gravity fluctuations! All you people quit behaving badly so gravity will get back to normal, like it was when I was young. Geez!

--Don Stahl

You wanna talk about Gerardus Bouw and astronomy? Well, for starters, he believes that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/2/part2.html
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/geocentr.htm
This is about halfway down the page, and then there's a fairly lengthy discussion of Bouw's theory. It seems to hinge on the fact that the Bible says the sun "rises" and "sets", and since the Bible is the inerrant word of God, therefore the sun "rises" and "sets", i.e. the sun moves, not the Earth.

Fascinating stuff.

Bouw is well-known to regulars here, and has been debunked numerous times. Dunash is a geocentrist as well.

Thanks for the info, BA.

you telling use that the water is gonna kill us? uh-oh, better not get a pond then [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
you might get a tsunami from your pond

Well there is one thing in all that weird drivel that pertains indirectly to astronomy. "Fiat money." Yes, the Italian auto/aerospace giant did I believe invest in some satellite components. [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

Gerardus Bouw's statements remind me of what clergyman Thomas Prince considered the cause of a big earthquake in Boston in 1755. He blamed it on those "iron points invented by the sagacious Mr. Franklin'' -- lightning rods -- and continued, "in Boston are more erected than anywhere else in New England, and Boston seems to be more dreadfully shaken. Oh! there is no getting out of the mighty hand of God!"

In effect, he was claiming that since God was now having a hard time punishing people for their sins by striking them with lighting, God decided to send some different punishment.

But God apparently decided not to follow up, since earthquakes have continued to be rare in Boston. Earthquakes in the interiors of continental plates may be big, but they are rare, which may be why they are poorly understood.

Source: Andrew Dickson White, "The Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom", online in the Historical section of the Library at http://www.infidels.org

I dunno, they do have the Red Sox.

I don't follow professional baseball, so I cannot tell whether that comment means that Boston is unusually favored or unusually jinxed.

Who says Bouw has been "debunked"? Even Bad Astronomer agrees with Hoyle that "the Geocentric paradigm is at least as good as anybody else's, but not better!". Bouw now agrees that scientifically at the moment there is no way of telling exactly what goes round what, in line with GR & Mach's Principle, until the time when someone reports back to us from outside the universe the true state of affairs. What Bouw does hold is that theologically that report has already taken place in the Scriptures! Of course STR being disproven or MM fringes showing up on the Moon might tip the scales in favour of Geocentricity.

I don't think I'd want to bet on SR being falsified in the zero-curvature limit. It's passed some extremely sensitive tests; my favorite is an indirect one: the calculated anomalous magnetic moment of the electron.

From the Dirac field theory, one predicts a simple value, but the real value is somewhat greater than that. How much greater can be predicted with the help of some Quantum Field Theories -- Quantum Electrodynamics and its relatives. And such QFT's assume the correctness of special relativity, the success of predicting this excess magnetic moment is an indirect test of special relativity.

And as to defending geocentrism by using geocentric coordinates, that seems to me like defending flat-earthism by constructing some coordinate system in which the Earth is flat. Yes, one can do that.

But if one can express the approximate sphericity of the Earth in some coordinate-independent fashion, one can also do that with its motion around the Sun.

If I may ask this without getting even further off topic than we already are, I would like to know where atheists such as myself fit in this Christian Cosmos. Where does the majority of the world population, consisting on non-Christians, fit in? By 'fit in' I mean such things as: Is there a different standard of physics/cosmology/etc. that is applied to us?

By the way, I'll be in London a bit next month, so might I get an appointment with the Templars to see the Ark of the Covenant?

The latter.

A while back I posted the question asking if the heliosphere moved into an area of space that was already occupied by something energetic, would the heliosphere interact, replace, or ignore the something.

The common consensus was that the heliosphere is big and strong, and would not be impacted. It would push them out.

Perhaps, however, some of the things that the good Doctor reports on could be this type of effect. After all, if the forward edge of the heliosphere has increased from 10AU to 100AU of bowshock interaction (glowing), then it is conceivable that we are pushing into something new.

Perhaps something that demonstrates another of the Doctor's point is with all the new focus and attention on terrorism, wavelengths in the middle east are certainly different than they were.

Now, does this subsequently translate into a new atmosphere on the moon? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...