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Still, a little evidence wouldn't hurt.
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Please show something to quantify your 'much more likely" claim. In the last century, if you please.
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The mapping of the world-defining event of American victory in World War Two on to Roman victory over Carthage has the parallels that it turned the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans into ‘American Lakes’ just as the victory over Hannibal turned the Mediterranean into ‘Mare Nostrum’. Hence we have an underlying structural parallel in these two ‘data points’, together with a generally parallel emergence story, which are suggestive enough to build a picture of what the future might bring if America continues to parallel Rome just to this major event level. It suggests that claims the US is an empire are at least a century too early – that over the next 200 years we are likely to see structural forces shifting the US from its current democratic republic towards a more autocratic form of governance, but at the same time, the story of Christ suggests we can expect emergence of a messianic figure late next century who will contest this hegemony. Quote:
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The hypothesis is that now is at the same moment in a terrestrial temporal wave function as 2147 years ago, and that our planetary character (karma) is shaped by this cosmic Gaian rhythm. Hence, this moment in human evolution can be usefully compared to the year 140 BC, as 1945 may be compared to 202 BC, etc. This is a global hypothesis. The potential to measure and compare events in different contexts varies. Many stone technology communities such as Australia had no records, so even though I suggest they participate in this causal process we cannot point to them as illustrations. All big old civilisations could illustrate the theory in principle, and my focus on Rome and Greece is due to my knowledge of them and the observation that the observed parallels are suggestive. Quote:
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Who were Romes Allies?
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Space.com says about the exoplanet Gliese 581 c: “The scientists discovered the new world using the HARP instrument on the European Southern Observatory 3.6 meter telescope in La Sille, Chile. They employed the so-called radial velocity, or "wobble," technique, in which the size and mass of a planet are determined based on small perturbations it induces in its parent star's orbit via gravity.” http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...exoplanet.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581_c The recent discovery of this exoplanet in the habitable zone is illustrative for the method I am applying in this thread. Compared to other star systems, we know vastly more about the dynamics of our own solar system, including accurate measurements of barycentres and precessional rates. We have accurate data, and do not need inference from radial velocity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radial_velocity Noting Ray Tomes’ recognition that there are good reasons why cycles are sometimes divided in 12, I am suggesting there is scope for much more detailed and complex empirical speculation about the effects of the various wobbles that we are subject to. Notably, that major events separated by one age are causally linked by harmonic cycle. I would hope enough data can be assembled to use Fourier Analysis. We know there is a 178.9 year solar system barycentre (SSB) cycle. I have suggested this may be related to precession because it is exactly 25764/144, providing direct physical analogs for the Great Year, the Cosmic Age and the Houses of the Age. These terms may look mystical but I am using them in purely physical way, ie that the house is just the SSB cycle. Cursory visual inspection of the SSB graph I posted from JimP at #61 in this thread shows the very high correlation between the last two SSB cycles. Hornblower has pointed out that the drift of planetary alignments over multiple periods would throw out this cycle compared to the precession. I do not know if he is right, and would be grateful if some one could help me look at SSB ephemera from JPL Horizons over long time period so I can look in to it more. (Apologies I have had trouble working out how to access JPL myself). The test would be to match the variance in each successive pair of cycles to assess whether the SSB could be a part of a deeper systemic rhythm against which the earth’s precessional wobble is also entrained. The link between these themes, the SSB and precession, is the Gaian hypothesis that our planet obeys deeply imbedded cosmic rhythms reflecting the organic unity of the solar system. How would we go about corroborating it? A first step is from the mathematics in the last paragraph. If that falls down then I am back to square one regarding the mechanism of a precessional ecology. If that is confirmed, we can look for corroborative examples in history. The claim is that earth’s ecology is adapted to these matched cosmic rhythms. However, we know the influence of this rhythm is very weak, approaching homeopathic levels, as it is clearly not visible to superficial examination. For example, we know the Sorbonne occupation happened precisely 178.9 years after the storming of the Bastille, and therefore at the precise same moment of the SSB cycle, but that looks like a cherry-picked one off. And yet, this correlation is of more than coincidental interest, because we can use it in looking at our planet from a cosmic level. |
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Sparta looks a possible historical parallel for Russia and the USSR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...3rd_century_BC is interesting, especially comparing Lenin to Cleomenes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleomenes_III, Stalin to Nabis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabis and the defeat by Rome with the end of the Cold War. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ention_of_Rome |
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So Rome and Sparta were allies against Carthage?
I also think you do down the influence, power and sizxe of the British Empire.
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I for one am a skeptic when it comes to the sorts of things required by the Randi Prize. He seems to be insisting that to win the prize people must conclusively contravene the laws of physics, whereas what I am saying is compatible with physics. You might care to look at my discussion of Gauquelin linked in recent response to Maksutov.
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I think an important flaw in Robert's idea, apart from the ones that have already been said, is that it lacks a mechanism. He alludes to precession, but does not explain how exactly that could affect human affairs.
Finding patterns is all fine and good, but if you don't explain how the wheels of the machine mesh into one another, your idea will remain unsatisfactory.
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Read them. Found them wanting. Robert Tulip, you are obviously intelligent. But intelligence alone is not enough. One must also have clarity. Randi, all personal opinions of the man himself aside, is a skeptic. He is not supporting a system with a system. His request is supported only by itself. Calling yourself a skeptic of a skeptic is nonsense. Either you are on the same side- or you are in opposition. You are seeing a correlation only because you are looking for one. And that is your error. |
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Also, let's not forget Spain or Italy, both of which were, at various times, the top of the heap.
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Using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasti...hinese_History for dates and references we can see the following correlations across the precessional gap of 2147 years. • Spring and Autumn Period 722 BC - 476 BC, (246 yrs), +2147yrs =1425-1671AD correlates to Ming Dynasty 1368 – 1644AD (276yrs): • Warring States Period 475 BC - 221 BC, (254 yrs), +2147yrs =1672-1926AD correlates to Qing Dynasty 1644 – 1912AD, (267yrs) • Qin Dynasty 221 BC - 206 BC, (15yrs) +2147yrs = 1926-1941AD correlates to Nationalist era • Western Han Dynasty 206 BC - 9 AD, (215 yrs), +2147yrs = 1941-2156AD correlates to beginning of Peoples Republic of China Overall, the two cycles line up as follows • Spring-Autumn/ Ming: Comparable periods of stability • Warring States/Qing: Conflict in ancient times similar to concessions to European powers from 18th century • Qin/Nationalist: short periods followed by major consolidation respectively by Han and communists– the burning of books of 213BC happened at the same time in the precessional cycle as the Long March of 1935. • Han/PRC: If the Peoples Republic of China compares to the Han period, beginning 2147 years before 1941, it can expect to be in power for several centuries. |
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How would we look for such a diffuse long term pattern in its effects on things on earth? I submit a good way to do so is by comparing historical records over long periods to see if there are similarities. The patterns noted here regarding the West, and now China, corroborate the suggestion. |
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The link to Phil Plait’s article on astrology was posted here to attack my claims. Your comment that my links are wanting seems to me to neglect that the BA’s article contains at least three glaring solecisms – the straw man argument of stellar influence, the failure to include the sun in his tidal chart, and his use of material from Geoffrey Dean that applies desperately weak arguments in the face of empirical evidence. |
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I would definitely like to see an answer to this question.
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How do these astronomical cycles (which I don't argue) have an effect on human events?
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I'm curious as to the exactness of the 2147. I've seen estimates for the Great Year ranging from 25694 to 25920, meaning the an 'Age' time from 2141 to 2160.
Does anyone have a definitive measure for the length of the Precession Cycle? For this theory (OP's) to work, we'd need to know for sure what the PC figure is. Otherwise it's just making up a figure that gives a good fit to a theory.
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"...that over the next 200 years we are likely to see structural forces shifting the US from its current democratic republic towards a more autocratic form of governance, but at the same time, the story of Christ suggests we can expect emergence of a messianic figure late next century who will contest this hegemony."
I'm personally working very hard to contest the hegemony of autocratic government in this country right now, and I know many others are doing so as well. Wait 200 years? No way! |
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