Which pleases monkeys no end.

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Exactly... LOL, Well I did a little reading last night, or should I say I tried, it seems most of the links where journal articles which require a PHD in biology to decipher and understand, such as endogenous retroviruses (ERV), HERV, LTR, ORFS, RNA and DNA....

However I did find a couple that used ENGLISH....
ERV Basics and How Species Arise , and the snakes and wolfs....
As for the snakes and wolves, seems like basic breeding and natural selection to me, the snakes that could not eat poisonous toads lived.

The ERV thing is interesting. One thing, if evolution creates more complexity as things evolve, why does humans have fewer chromosomes than apes?

Also, I would like to point out from these sites..

I did find another interesting site, haven't had much time to read, maybe you would like to comment...
American Scientific Affiliation

One interesting read,
In The Beginning

Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't.

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We seem to have unearthed one of the central errors of the anti-evolution crowd, that evolution has some direction.

Mutations provides the variability the environment determines the survivability no directions needed.

NB:mine own personal view YMMV.

Well we're still the cousins that no one comes to visit.

Come on now, whens the last time you had a Bonobo over for dinner.

I never even get cards.

We already have too much Pride.

I'm guessing that you don't read New Scientist? Only a few weeks ago they had an article on the top 10 misconceptions that people have about evolution. Increasing complexity was one of them...

Do you have a source for the increasing complexity?

Who says evolution creates more complexity?

Humans and Chimps have the same number of chromosomes. One of us has 2 fused together into one. See if you can find out which one it is.

Also see if you canfind out how little the DNA of Humans and Chimps differs.

Also look at Vitamin C production. Humans have all the genes needed to produce Vitamin C but a couple of them have mutated and don't work anymore, Apes have the same mutation.

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A nobel or a typo?lol

Oops, fixed it.

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My understanding--and physical anthropology class was a long time ago, with paleontology longer--is that before apes, our ancestors were monkeyish, and before that, lemurish. Which is fine by me; I like lemurs.

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Never stated evolution must provide increased complexity.... in fact my argument is exact oppisite, evolution would seemingly create more and more disorder, a world of mutts. So does this mean ape is more 'complex' than human? How does intellect factor in?

Go ahead and feverishly post to expose my 'misconception'. And I'm the one accused of focusing on one word while misunderstanding the whole concept.

Again, were getting way off topic, too many details, can't see the forest for the trees.

What I would like to address,,,



We don't really know how things work. We are taking 'scientific' observations, theoretical calculations and 'scientific' models; making predictions; and sometimes presenting it as fact or "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent."

Then explain this:

It sure looks to me like you presumed that evolution creates more complexity.

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Which Apes have more Chromosomes than humans? how does that relate to percieved 'Complexity' ? Some horses have more chromasomes than othe horses, which horse would be more complex?

Also explain in this context what you think a 'Mutt' is?

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I said, IF, based on explanation that complex organisms evolved from simple organisms, and that humans are considered/thought to be much more 'advanced' than ape.

Who thinks a human is more 'advanced' than an ape? what is the thing you are measuring?

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I saw it. It still looks like you presumed that evolution is supposed to lead to more complex organisms.

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Chimps more evolved than humans
Human Evolution
Study may show chimps may have undergone more 'changes', but who is considered more 'advanced'?

I don't think any organism is more 'advanced' Everything is evolved into it's own niche

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