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Old 21-April-2008, 03:42 PM
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If there is anti-matter could anti-energy also exist?

During a collision between matter and anti-matter could matter be ripped into energy and anti-matter into anti-energy?
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Old 21-April-2008, 05:11 PM
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If there is anti-matter could anti-energy also exist?

During a collision between matter and anti-matter could matter be ripped into energy and anti-matter into anti-energy?
As I understand it, no. For example, if an electron and a positron come together, they are transformed into a pair of identical .511MeV photons that fly off in opposite directions at the speed of light.
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Old 21-April-2008, 05:30 PM
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Hornblower nailed this one quickly enough (That question's been asked here before) But I'm feeling a bit naughty so...

Tommac, have you ever heard of 'negative energies'?
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Old 21-April-2008, 06:30 PM
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Hornblower nailed this one quickly enough (That question's been asked here before) But I'm feeling a bit naughty so...

Tommac, have you ever heard of 'negative energies'?
Gravity?, cassimir effect?
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Old 21-April-2008, 06:34 PM
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Gravity?, cassimir effect?
It's speculation- just so you know. Not theory.

Negative Energy has been speculated in the case of like, for example, time travel.

An analogy would be:
Take "energy" and place it in a box. (Imagine a sine wave inside a square).
Now, compress the energy until the tips of the sine wave in your square protrude Outside of the lines of the square. Those tips would be "Negative Energies" that, speculatively, would exhibit strange properties.
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Old 23-April-2008, 08:29 AM
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If there is anti-matter could anti-energy also exist?
Pasqual Jordan had an energy theory that is still quite popular with a few recent additions. According to this theory, the universe began as a cosmic fluctuation arising from the zero point energy. Half of the fluctuation was positive energy and half was negative energy. Positive energy is what we know as ordinary matter and energy. Matter is just a more concentrated form of energy but the two are made of the same positive stuff. Negative energy is what we call gravity. Gravity is considered to be negative energy because it takes energy to remove matter from a gravitational field. Gravity is thought to be the "hole" or energy debit that was left in the ZPE after the removal of "positive" energy. The universe in this view is an equal combination of positive energy (matter/energy) and negative energy (gravity) so the universe has a net energy of zero and it took no energy to form the universe.
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Old 23-April-2008, 10:28 AM
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Hornblower nailed this one quickly enough (That question's been asked here before) But I'm feeling a bit naughty so...

Tommac, have you ever heard of 'negative energies'?
In that sort of mood myself strangely enough now that you mention it. Have you ever been to a party and when a certain person walks in the whole tone of the place changes. That's negative energy isn't it?
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Old 23-April-2008, 03:19 PM
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In that sort of mood myself strangely enough now that you mention it. Have you ever been to a party and when a certain person walks in the whole tone of the place changes. That's negative energy isn't it?
LOL
I'm reminded of the Weird Vibes thread....
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Old 23-April-2008, 05:02 PM
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Have you ever been to a party and when a certain person walks in the whole tone of the place changes. That's negative energy isn't it?
No, it's just a really bad metaphor. The person who coined it should be hunted down and imprisoned.

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tommac, I've been thinking somewhat along the same lines that everything consisting of matter is energy in motion and so the rest of the universe that surrounds mass may be anti-energy at rest or something to that effect. My personal thinking is that its a sea of negative potential or electrons? I posted an ATM thread on wave/particle duality discussing the hypothesis.

For example a photon beam or beam of light would travel through this sea of negative potential (everything thats not matter) carrying a positive electrical charge and EM field intertwined. In the example below posted by Hornblower the potentials would be merely releasing their energy as radiation the same way a laser boots photons from an atoms orbital?

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Coliver, you have a history of doing the same thing Tommac is doing.

I recall you posting threads about DNA being a cosmic antenna too.

I even jumped in and defended your misconceptions once (Remember?) Only to learn I had misconceptions too (Remember?) and once I learned my misconceptions, could no longer defend your position.

Your post here makes about as much sense as your DNA are Antennas for receiving divine information speculations.

It comes from not understanding the physics and principles of how things actually work. Usually it also comes from noting seeming similarities.
For example: Someone sees water swirl a drain. They then see a picture of a spiral galaxy. They then determine that a spiral galaxy must be stars swirling a drain and that drain must be a Black Hole that is hoovering up the galaxy.
ERRRR WRONG!
If that person understood basic celestial mechanics, they would know that a spiral galaxy is nothing like water swirling a drain.
Heck, if they just look at barred galaxies, bar-spiral galaxies, and elliptical galaxies they might realize- but usually they don't.
Once they get the misconception- they like it. They don't want to give it up.
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Old 24-April-2008, 12:26 PM
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It comes from not understanding the physics and principles of how things actually work. Usually it also comes from noting seeming similarities.
For example: Someone sees water swirl a drain. They then see a picture of a spiral galaxy. They then determine that a spiral galaxy must be stars swirling a drain and that drain must be a Black Hole that is hoovering up the galaxy.
ERRRR WRONG!
If that person understood basic celestial mechanics, they would know that a spiral galaxy is nothing like water swirling a drain.
Heck, if they just look at barred galaxies, bar-spiral galaxies, and elliptical galaxies they might realize- but usually they don't.
Once they get the misconception- they like it. They don't want to give it up.
That's actually a pretty darn apt way of explaining it...
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Old 24-April-2008, 02:08 PM
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I agree with you neverfly. That is why I would like you to think differently about the BB.

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Coliver, you have a history of doing the same thing Tommac is doing.

I recall you posting threads about DNA being a cosmic antenna too.

I even jumped in and defended your misconceptions once (Remember?) Only to learn I had misconceptions too (Remember?) and once I learned my misconceptions, could no longer defend your position.

Your post here makes about as much sense as your DNA are Antennas for receiving divine information speculations.

It comes from not understanding the physics and principles of how things actually work. Usually it also comes from noting seeming similarities.
For example: Someone sees water swirl a drain. They then see a picture of a spiral galaxy. They then determine that a spiral galaxy must be stars swirling a drain and that drain must be a Black Hole that is hoovering up the galaxy.
ERRRR WRONG!
If that person understood basic celestial mechanics, they would know that a spiral galaxy is nothing like water swirling a drain.
Heck, if they just look at barred galaxies, bar-spiral galaxies, and elliptical galaxies they might realize- but usually they don't.
Once they get the misconception- they like it. They don't want to give it up.
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Old 24-April-2008, 02:12 PM
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I agree with you neverfly. That is why I would like you to think differently about the BB.
Then maybe it's time you start learning about the BB and finding the misconceptions.

Spacetime Expands? - The Answer

You are telling me I need to think differently about the BB after several posts of yours claim you don't understand BB
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Old 25-April-2008, 04:46 PM
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Then maybe it's time you start learning about the BB and finding the misconceptions.

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You are telling me I need to think differently about the BB after several posts of yours claim you don't understand BB
Because it makes little sense.
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Old 25-April-2008, 05:43 PM
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Because it makes little sense.
LOL
Maybe it makes little sense because you (admittedly) don't yet understand it.
Relax and give it time.

Someone else put it quite well- It doesn't make sense. Nor does Quantum Mechanics.

"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, then you obviously don't understand it."
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Old 25-April-2008, 07:30 PM
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Very zen.


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LOL
Maybe it makes little sense because you (admittedly) don't yet understand it.
Relax and give it time.

Someone else put it quite well- It doesn't make sense. Nor does Quantum Mechanics.

"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, then you obviously don't understand it."
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Very zen.
Very real.
And if you lack the patience to learn and keep trying to take shortcuts- Real is something you are going to miss out on.
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and what happens then?

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Very real.
And if you lack the patience to learn and keep trying to take shortcuts- Real is something you are going to miss out on.
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Old 26-April-2008, 03:41 AM
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and what happens then?
Well, that's for you to decide.
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