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Old 24-June-2008, 03:50 PM
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Post Theory on Black Bodies ***I like it***

Give me some feedback. Snewtie physists won't comment, because it's against the mainstream.

Formation of Black holes
In the normal main sequence of stellar nucleosynthesis, the star will go through a series of contractions to maintain the fusion process which increases core pressure and allows for creation of heavier elements to occur. These contractions increase the atmospheric pressure of individual atoms in the core material. In quantum theory, there are two ways to fluxuate the distance of electron shells from the nucleus. One way is to lower the temperature (this is seen in superfluids), the other is to increase the atmospheric pressure. Superfluidity is a state in which electron shells collapse allow nucleuses to flow together in one wave form with zero viscosity and zero entropy.

Terrestrial methods of attaining this state can be seen when helium reaches the lambda point at roughly 4.3K. The only other way to achieve this state of superfluidity would be to exert an atmospheric pressure sufficient enough to collapse the electron shells. This cannot be achieved terrestrially.

What differentiates a star from becoming a planetary off-gas, a neutron star or reaching supernova is the mass of the star itself. The mass of the star dictates how much atmospheric pressure the core of the star is under. If the mass of the star is sufficient, and the atmospheric pressure at the core is also sufficient enough to suppress the electron shells of the core matter (Fe) it is probable that these atoms would be placed into a state of superfluidity or a reduced temperate state (Reverse quantum theory implies that the thermal capacity of an atom is directly related to the distance of the electron shells to the nucleus, if electrons orbit at a specific distance based on temperature and atmospheric pressure then the heat capacity is dictated by this reduced distance through compression). With the reduction in heat capacity of the atom, a lower temperature would be achieved within the core material (the heat is literally squeezed out of the atoms with no possible room for combustion). This change in core temperature would allow thermodynamics to take over and the warmer outer shells of the star would collapse into the lower temperature core material in superfluidity. This would be the anatomy of the implosion phase of a supernova.

Since there has been a change in heat capacity at the core of the star, this heat has to go somewhere. The reverse heat energy explodes out, almost simultaneously and creates the explosion phase of the supernova. What is left is a black hole of superfluid that was once the core material. With the theory that E=MC2 it can be shown that a black hole is nothing more than mass. If the black hole was created from a parent star, the black hole along with it’s accretion disk cannot have anymore mass or energy than it’s original parent star minus any matter that was transferred into heat during the explosion. During the implosion of the star, some matter surrounding the core area is transferred into superfluidity by imploding into lower pressured core material following Bose-Einstein statistics.

The remaining stellar material that is not accreted into superfluidity is ejected from the core and will populate the accretion disk of the black hole as ejecta. There are several factors that can dictate and prove that the singularity itself is matter in superfluidity, starting with the temperature. X ray images of black holes have observed that temperatures of singularities average fractions of degrees above 0K. This temperature far exceeds any lambda point requirements of matter excluding hydrogen to enter superfluidity.

Another example is that “acoustic black holes” which are terrestrial superfluids absorb all wave energy in its path, as astrophysic black holes exhibit the same properties with light not being able to penetrate a black hole. Another and a very compelling proof of this astrophysic superfluidity are the exceptional gravitational and magnetic properties of such a small body in space. Atoms in superfluidity are at fantastic densities and again given E=MC2 will only achieve the same gravitational and magnetic properties of its parent star. Since the atoms in superfluidity are so condensed, they exhibit the same gravitational force of atoms not in superfluidity that would mathematically make sense in simulations.

The magnetics of the black hole correspond to the magnetics of the parent star as well, its just that the matter creating these magnetics are condensed and exhibit fantastic force in just a small volume of space. Another compelling and very exciting observation of black holes is its spectrum of radiation. Terrestrial superfluids radiate, as implied would astrophysic superfluids when matter is accreting into them. A superfluid has a series of “sounds” that it creates while accreting matter into the condensate and when heat is applied to the condensate (these are known as first, second and third sounds). Fantastically these spectrums are in the GHZ range depending on intensity of the accretion and or attenuation. This range of frequencies satisfy all cosmic background radiation and Hawking radiation requirements. I theorize that cosmic background radiation itself is not the echo of the big bang, however the “hiss” of matter accreting into superfluidity as well as the sound of attenuated superfluid from wave-particles bombarding the condensate it self known as the first, second and third sounds.


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The accretion disk is defined as ejecta from the outer shell material of the star that has exploded into supernova. The singularity is defined as the Bose-Einstein condensate itself. The event horizon is defined as the area in which Bose-Einstein statistics regulate the accretion of matter into superfluidity.

X-Ray Jets
X-ray jets within black holes are caused by evaporating Fe & Ni, from the poles of the black hole being ejected through massive magnetic lines of force similar to the ejection of electrons through electromagnets in hospital x-ray machines. A black hole without x-ray jets is theorized to have a layer of another element insulating the Fe & Ni such as He, O2 or Si.

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I'm afraid that the only feedback I can give you is that paragraphs are your friend. Your text was too dense for me to read.
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Red face I now agree.

It pasted over that way.

I agree with you.
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Cool Paragraphs are good.

There we go.
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It makes interesting reading. I like the idea because it brings an element of possible physical reality to the definition of the BB or a BH supposed "singularity". What would prevent the BEC from condensing back into atoms by adding a bit of temperature/energy from a nearby star? would the atmospheric pressure resulting from the extreme space time curvature (i.e gravity) prevent this from happening? ( once a black body forever a black body?) . Also how would you explain the apparent leakage of radiation from, and the possible evaporation of a black hole? (i am assuming that black bodies is your theory's term for what mainstream term as black holes)
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two types, there is radiation from first, second, third and fourth sounds in BEC (just vibrations if you will that cause radiation), then actual atomic evaporation where the Black Body (BB) will release matter back into an isotropic atom rather than that atom being a part of the BEC.

Since the BB's average temps are 2.x degrees Kelvin and space averages higher, all black bodies will eventually evaporate as long as there is radiation heating up space.

I took this paper to a few people in high places. They didn't get it.
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two types, there is radiation from first, second, third and fourth sounds in BEC (just vibrations if you will that cause radiation), then actual atomic evaporation where the Black Body (BB) will release matter back into an isotropic atom rather than that atom being a part of the BEC.

Since the BB's average temps are 2.x degrees Kelvin and space averages higher, all black bodies will eventually evaporate as long as there is radiation heating up space.

I took this paper to a few people in high places. They didn't get it.
Ok, what causes the vibrations (sounds) in the BEC's to then release these isotropic atoms? Also if the cosmic background radiation (CBR) is the "noise" from the resulting BB's then in effect you are saying that the CBR is heating up slowly so the rate of evaporation should increase with time? What would you say from your theory would be the resulting state of the evaporated universe? an evenly distributed CBR? and at what temperature?
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Ok, what causes the vibrations (sounds) in the BEC's to then release these isotropic atoms? Also if the cosmic background radiation (CBR) is the "noise" from the resulting BB's then in effect you are saying that the CBR is heating up slowly so the rate of evaporation should increase with time? What would you say from your theory would be the resulting state of the evaporated universe? an evenly distributed CBR? and at what temperature?
The first sound is created from the accreting matter into BEC that follows Bose-Einstein statistics. The second, third and fourth sounds are created when you expose the BEC to a heat source, it causes sound in the condensate and evaporates matter. The CBR should stay peaked at 160.2ghz which is the sound Helium in superfluidity makes at a certain attenuation based on the heat source in second sound. The CBR should shift eventually peaking at a lower freq. as heavier elements in the universe become more prevalant.

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The first sound is created from the accreting matter into BEC that follows Bose-Einstein statistics. The second, third and fourth sounds are created when you expose the BEC to a heat source, it causes sound in the condensate and evaporates matter. The CBR should stay peaked at 160.2ghz which is the sound Helium in super-fluidity makes at a certain attenuation based on the heat source in second sound. The CBR should shift eventually peaking at a lower freq. as heavier elements in the universe become more prevalent.

Thanks for asking.
Ok i shall take on board what you have explained so far and get back to you with more questions, if i think of any. In the mean time i hope some of the more knowledgeable posters will put your theory through some tougher scrutiny to see how it fairs.

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The first sound is created from the accreting matter into BEC that follows Bose-Einstein statistics. The second, third and fourth sounds are created when you expose the BEC to a heat source, it causes sound in the condensate and evaporates matter. The CBR should stay peaked at 160.2ghz which is the sound Helium in superfluidity makes at a certain attenuation based on the heat source in second sound. The CBR should shift eventually peaking at a lower freq. as heavier elements in the universe become more prevalant.

Thanks for asking.
Hi, very interesting.
Shouldn't CMBR be then observed as coming from point like sources?
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Formation of Black Bodies
In the normal main sequence of stellar nucleosynthesis, the star will go through a series of contractions to maintain the fusion process which increases core pressure and allows for creation of heavier elements to occur. These contractions increase the atmospheric pressure of individual atoms in the core material. In quantum theory, there are two ways to fluxuate the distance of electron shells from the nucleus. One way is to lower the temperature (this is seen in superfluids), the other is to increase the atmospheric pressure. Superfluidity is a state in which electron shells collapse allow nucleuses to flow together in one wave form with zero viscosity and zero entropy.

Terrestrial methods of attaining this state can be seen when helium reaches the lambda point at roughly 4.3K. The only other way to achieve this state of superfluidity would be to exert an atmospheric pressure sufficient enough to collapse the electron shells. This cannot be achieved terrestrially.

What differentiates a star from becoming a planetary off-gas, a neutron star or reaching supernova is the mass of the star itself. The mass of the star dictates how much atmospheric pressure the core of the star is under. If the mass of the star is sufficient, and the atmospheric pressure at the core is also sufficient enough to suppress the electron shells of the core matter (Fe) it is probable that these atoms would be placed into a state of superfluidity or a reduced temperate state (Reverse quantum theory implies that the thermal capacity of an atom is directly related to the distance of the electron shells to the nucleus, if electrons orbit at a specific distance based on temperature and atmospheric pressure then the heat capacity is dictated by this reduced distance through compression). With the reduction in heat capacity of the atom, a lower temperature would be achieved within the core material (the heat is literally squeezed out of the atoms with no possible room for combustion). This change in core temperature would allow thermodynamics to take over and the warmer outer shells of the star would collapse into the lower temperature core material in superfluidity. This would be the anatomy of the implosion phase of a supernova.

Since there has been a change in heat capacity at the core of the star, this heat has to go somewhere. The reverse heat energy explodes out, almost simultaneously and creates the explosion phase of the supernova. What is left is a black body of superfluid that was once the core material. With the theory that E=MC2 it can be shown that a black body is nothing more than mass. If the black body was created from a parent star, the black body along with it’s accretion disk cannot have anymore mass or energy than it’s original parent star minus any matter that was transferred into heat during the explosion. During the implosion of the star, some matter surrounding the core area is transferred into superfluidity by imploding into lower pressured core material following Bose-Einstein statistics.

The remaining stellar material that is not accreted into superfluidity is ejected from the core and will populate the accretion disk of the black body as ejecta. There are several factors that can dictate and prove that the singularity itself is matter in superfluidity, starting with the temperature. X ray images of black holes have observed that temperatures of singularities average fractions of degrees above 0K. This temperature far exceeds any lambda point requirements of matter excluding hydrogen to enter superfluidity.

Another example is that “acoustic black holes” which are terrestrial superfluids absorb all wave energy in its path, as astrophysic black bodies exhibit the same properties with light not being able to penetrate a black body. Another and a very compelling proof of this astrophysic superfluidity are the exceptional gravitational and magnetic properties of such a small body in space. Atoms in superfluidity are at fantastic densities and again given E=MC2 will only achieve the same gravitational and magnetic properties of its parent star. Since the atoms in superfluidity are so condensed, they exhibit the same gravitational force of atoms not in superfluidity that would mathematically make sense in simulations.

The magnetics of the black body correspond to the magnetics of the parent star as well, its just that the matter creating these magnetics are condensed and exhibit fantastic force in just a small volume of space. Another compelling and very exciting observation of black bodies is its spectrum of radiation. Terrestrial superfluids radiate, as implied would astrophysic superfluids when matter is accreting into them. A superfluid has a series of “sounds” that it creates while accreting matter into the condensate and when heat is applied to the condensate (these are known as first, second and third sounds). Fantastically these spectrums are in the GHZ range depending on intensity of the accretion and or attenuation. This range of frequencies satisfy all cosmic background radiation and Hawking radiation requirements. I theorize that cosmic background radiation itself is not the echo of the big bang, however the “hiss” of matter accreting into superfluidity as well as the sound of attenuated superfluid from wave-particles bombarding the condensate it self known as the first, second and third sounds.


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The accretion disk is defined as ejecta from the outer shell material of the star that has exploded into supernova. The singularity is defined as the Bose-Einstein condensate itself. The event horizon is defined as the area in which Bose-Einstein statistics regulate the accretion of matter into superfluidity.

X-Ray Jets
X-ray jets within black bodies are caused by evaporating Fe & Ni, from the poles of the black body being ejected through massive magnetic lines of force similar to the ejection of electrons through electromagnets in hospital x-ray machines. A black body without x-ray jets is theorized to have a layer of another element insulating the Fe & Ni such as He, O2 or Si.
There are a large number of errors here.

First, to physics, a black body is a body that absorbs all radiation and emits a thermal spectrum. It is not a black hole. There is a big difference.

Second, electron shells do not behave the way you state. Shell distances are fixed by the coulomb potental and schrodingers equation, for the most part. Cooling a substance is not all that is required for superfluididty. The electron shells do not collapse to make a substance superfluid.

Third, the ejecta does not become an accretion disk. It is blown off the star with enough force to no longer be gravitationally bound. An accretion disk is found around a compact object that is accreting mass from another source. Generally another star. You can have white dwarfs with accretion disks. Look up nova and reccuring nova.
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There are a large number of errors here.

First, to physics, a black body is a body that absorbs all radiation and emits a thermal spectrum. It is not a black hole. There is a big difference.

Second, electron shells do not behave the way you state. Shell distances are fixed by the coulomb potental and schrodingers equation, for the most part. Cooling a substance is not all that is required for superfluididty. The electron shells do not collapse to make a substance superfluid.

Third, the ejecta does not become an accretion disk. It is blown off the star with enough force to no longer be gravitationally bound. An accretion disk is found around a compact object that is accreting mass from another source. Generally another star. You can have white dwarfs with accretion disks. Look up nova and reccuring nova.

A black body and a black hole a synomymous as far as the structure of matter. Second, electron shell distances are governed by temp, that is why matter contracts and expands with temp. Third, ejecta is the accretion disk due to the explosion phase of the supernova ejects mass into space at a particular distance. I do agree that photons eject further into space, however heavier elements are trapped in the gravity of the black hole which creates the accretion disk.
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Hi, very interesting.
Shouldn't CMBR be then observed as coming from point like sources?
I theorize the CMBR is caused from attenuated black bodies.
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A black body and a black hole a synomymous as far as the structure of matter.
Not at all. Read these for a good overview:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
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Second, electron shell distances are governed by temp, that is why matter contracts and expands with temp.
Still nope. Matter contracts when it cools (for the most part, there are exceptions) because the molecules vibrate and bounce around more slowly. This slower vibration allows them to pack closer together, causing a shrinking effect.

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Third, ejecta is the accretion disk due to the explosion phase of the supernova ejects mass into space at a particular distance. I do agree that photons eject further into space, however heavier elements are trapped in the gravity of the black hole which creates the accretion disk.
I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're trying to say here, but if it's what I think it is, then no, the accretion disk is not made of residuals from the original supernova (and not all black holes even have one). It is new matter spiraling into a black hole that is close enough to a source of matter to be pulling it in (such as another star in a binary system). The original supernova imparts enough velocity to the ejecta to easily escape the black hole's gravity.
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Both bodies are BEC. That is the only possible explanation for absorbing light and all other wave radiation.

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A black body and a black hole a synomymous as far as the structure of matter. Second, electron shell distances are governed by temp, that is why matter contracts and expands with temp. Third, ejecta is the accretion disk due to the explosion phase of the supernova ejects mass into space at a particular distance. I do agree that photons eject further into space, however heavier elements are trapped in the gravity of the black hole which creates the accretion disk.
You are wrong.

A black body and a black hole are not the same thing. Look them up on wiki.

What equation are you using to determine electron shells and where is the temperature term?

An accretion disk is from matter that is accreted. Look it up on wiki.

The outer layers of a supernova are no longer gravitationally bound. Look it up on wiki.
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You are wrong.

A black body and a black hole are not the same thing. Look them up on wiki.

What equation are you using to determine electron shells and where is the temperature term?

An accretion disk is from matter that is accreted. Look it up on wiki.

The outer layers of a supernova are no longer gravitationally bound. Look it up on wiki.
I now agree with you regarding black bodies and black holes. The text was based on black holes. I didn't get what you we're talking about.

Electron shells condense under extreme temperatures (2.1k in helium). Can't say for sure what equation, my text lacks mathematics, that would be a good one to add.

I'll do some reading on wiki. I still say that what is on wiki is mainstream, and what I published is not.
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