Originally Posted by BigDon

What are, if any, macro effects that can be directly attributed to this?

Originally Posted by astromark

I do not want to attempt to answer this question because I am not sure I understand it;

I do want to offer this however; The uncertainty principal dictates that just what you did not think could happen does. Just as what you expected does not... This macro evidence what can we offer as proof... All of it. And none of it. I understand me. Does anyone else?

Originally Posted by sabianq

Hey all,

This fun idea has been haunting me for a while now and I thought I would put it past ya' all



In this thread:

http://www.bautforum.com/questions-a...ml#post1271918



BigDon asked:





And astromark had an interesting reply.

http://www.bautforum.com/questions-a...ml#post1271918



I believe this is also known as Murphy's Law ^^^


But I would like to further this statement as it touches on a fantastic idea that events that happen can be explained by quantum mechanics most notably the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics that suggests that any observation collapses the quantum state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat




I would like to take this further and apply it to Time.

But first, lets define Time,

Time in a classical sense as taken from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time



I know you guys like definitions, so in order to keep things moving, I shall place my definitions up front when needed so I may be as clear as I can be regarding this idea.

For the purpose of this article I will assume that Time can be divided into "n" segments with the obvious first three being Future, Present, and Past.

The Future can be further divided into what I call “Super Events”

A "Super Event" would be a real event that has not happened. Say for instance, I am thinking about dropping the egg on the floor. In my minds eye, I can see the broken egg and the mess it will make as clearly as if it had already happened. A super event is like a Superposition where an event that will happen but has not happened will be a configuration of all possible arrangements and outcomes that are possible when the event happens and becomes a "real event".

A "Real Event" is an event that has taken place to produce a concrete outcome, say for instance I drop an egg on the floor and it breaks, the real event is a broken egg on the floor.

A Superposition or Quantum superposition as defined in quantum mechanics is that a particle is in every possible event or position that that particle can be in. a particle is in the state of superposition before it is observed.

The future would be a superposition of "Super Events" meaning that the future holds all possible scenarios that are possible given the state of system.

It would be unreasonable to say that if I were to drop this egg on the floor, a possible "real event" would be a 767 airliner would fly out of the cracked shell and mutate onto a planet of green monkeys typing up stories for the New York Times.

However, the Super Event of the egg drop system scenario could include anything from me deciding not to drop the egg and eating it instead to me dropping it and it not breaking it and rolling under the cabinet, or it turning out to be already hard boiled, ETC..

The super event would be related to any configuration that the state of the egg would collapse into when it becomes a "real event".


If we further divide the future into segments, we find that a portion of the future is indeed very predictable and easily manipulated.


These known events that are predictable are a function of planning, I can plan to go to the lou, there I will relieve myself, and wash my hands, dry them off and exit the space. It is reasonable that these events can happen without any surprises. My personal “super event” when I think about doing something can be turned into a “real event” just by me executing the “plan”

It is interesting to note that when I formulate a “plan” and engage a “Super Event”, there are sub “super events” that can happen that cannot be foreseen. Say when I exit my office; I meet a coworker who needs help, or an old friend that I haven’t seen in a long time or I slip on a wet spot and end up in the hospital. These unknowns are all part of my “Super Event” and are all events that are possible in the future as it relates my local time.

Only after the super event becomes a real event and the future has collapsed will the final state of the real event be truly known.

A real event cannot be undone, however a real event will always be a super event as there will always be a different possible state of a real event.

“The egg is broken on the floor” is a real event, but the super event would be; will the broken egg mess just sit there and an army of ants will have a feast, will the dog come and lick it up? Will I clean it up? Will I or my friend slip on the egg and end up in the hospital?

We can give a value to the super events that represents the probability of the outcome of a super event when it collapses into a real event.

Some super events can only have one outcome and would be graded or given a 100 for the value. Say like there is a 100% chance that if I drop this rock, gravity will help it fall, I can even calculate the potential energy of the rock by knowing the distance from the floor, the mass of the rock, and the acceleration the rock will have as influenced by gravity. This can be done very accurately with 100 percent certainty.

(I know that the other end of the spectrum, other super events have very little to no probably of happening, I know for certain, nearly 100 probabilities that if I drop this rock, it will not end up on the moon before it reaches the floor. However there is still a very slim chance that at that moment while the rock is in mid air, right before it hits the floor, a monster meteor hits the earth and the blast launches the rock into space and it ends up on the moon.)


These events that are 100% certain, like chemical reactions, Gibbs energy, force calculations, etc… are more like real events than super events as they can be predicted with a very high degree of accuracy and should be defined outside of an unknown future or super event. Maybe we can call this type of event a “Super Real Event”, meaning that although the event has not happened, we know the out come of the event if or when we put the mechanisms in place to start the event.


The Present can be defined as the moment the super event collapses into a real event.


Future super events can be though of as a wave function where the wave function can “map” a future with all of the possible future real event states defined.

The present is a collapse-process where the wave function that represents the future or super event becomes a real event. I would speculate that the collapse is cause by a physical process as the present moves through time. If this were a real phenomenon then it should be apparent. It is interesting to note that the quantum wave function collapse that happens when one observes a particle takes place apparently faster than the speed of light otherwise there would be no uncertainty and we would be able to infer with precision the total state of the particle.

It seems plausible that the present is moving faster than the speed of light, which is causing the wave function of super events to collapse.





However, as Astromark suggested,




I would postulate (both in the sense of asking or claming) that maybe, just maybe, by thinking about the future and the string of super events that may be real events, we are in fact observing the future and causing the collapse of the wave form before the present entangles the super event which would change to probability of a super event becoming a real event.

Maybe that is why the old adage that “it is never what you expect” is true.

And why Murphy’s Law seems so predictable

When it comes to super events that have an unknown outcome, it seems that it is the stuff you don’t think about that happens.

Originally Posted by JTsang

Quantum Mechanic in time ? : for those wave , uncertainty, entanglement, in macro sense:

• New Orland can be reached when airplane goes North, South, West East.
• Los Angeles can also be reached every 20msec, 20+133 ms, 20+266ms , 20+399ms ... etc , for that matter, sun also seems to appear 24n hours along a time line , where n = ...-3, -2 -1 0 1 2 3 ....
• Position get fussiness .... the only valid reality is right at the point of measurement, Moscow is a fussy place.
• A statue in New York lost a torch, another status in somewhere York New, drops a sword in NO TIME.

To a map maker, these are what happened to an unaware observer working on & with surface of SPHERE ... in this case, a hypersphere in time universe.

Moreover:
Bell's theorem under the Simultaneousness and locality is simply fault under the notion of TIME location.

Notice, devices are also tainted by the Motion and Reorientation in fashion not bewared !

QM exhibit syndromes of CURVED TIME SPACE .. hyper spherically .

See, when I left LA, you may not know where I went all these years, so it's natural to assign a probability value to it, BUT, I do, I have been in Hong Kong all the time, the reality ! ... QM is a subjective, math wrapped of ...

Originally Posted by Svemir

I have no idea what are you talking about.

Originally Posted by Svemir

I saw funny experiment on Discovery about "macro" effects of UP.
If you put a laser beam through a small hole in a plate and watch the point where the laser beam falls on the wall, when you narrow the hole (trying to constrain the photons position, velocity you know) you will get to the point when you can't narrow the hole any further and observe the point. The point transforms into a line!

Originally Posted by Svemir

I saw funny experiment on Discovery about "macro" effects of UP.
If you put a laser beam through a small hole in a plate and watch the point where the laser beam falls on the wall, when you narrow the hole (trying to constrain the photons position, velocity you know) you will get to the point when you can't narrow the hole any further and observe the point. The point transforms into a line!