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Old 05-July-2008, 08:43 PM
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In looking at how a photo voltaic cell works it is further proof of what I have been theorizing concerning photons. In earlier threads I had speculated that photon frequencies in conjunction with an elements chemical makeup, temperature and density shape the element or organic life form. If you look at how the photocell works it shows that the different frequencies interact with different mev electrical fields and different atomic structures of elements. Each frequency acts differently on the elements depending on its electron composition.

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This seems closely related to a previous thread here.

The idea seems like it has no foundation in reality.
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It is similar to my previous post but I have since changed my views on how it is actually working. Its not a code but the frequencies place in the EM spectrum does affect how it interacts with elements. (Its MeV or potential.) If you take a serious look at it I think it makes perfect sense. The same way a laser is able to dislodge electrons when tuned to the proper frequency and amplitude. Example: ( Steven Chu's experiments in trapping and cooling atoms.) The resulting element depends on the number of electrons rearranged by the photons frequency. Ionization is also a key factor. Radiation is the by product of the Photons release of its energy, but a portion of that energy is absorbed by matter according to various factors including, density, pressure, time of exposure and temperature. Basically the research Ive been doing leads me to believe everything we call material is made of energy until its converted to kinetic energy through oxidation or dissolved into hydrocarbons. the Earth is like a giant fuel cell. Even humans are fuel, basically anything material. The difference is the rate at which it decays or releases its energy. A nuclear bomb would be an example of an extreme rate of conversion. Aging is an example of a slower decay.

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It is similar to my previous post but I have since changed my views on how it is actually working. Its not a code but the frequencies place in the EM spectrum does affect how it interacts with elements. (Its MeV or potential.) If you take a serious look at it I think it makes perfect sense. The same way a laser is able to dislodge electrons when tuned to the proper frequency and amplitude. Example: ( Steven Chu's experiments in trapping and cooling atoms.) The resulting element depends on the number of electrons rearranged by the photons frequency. Ionization is also a key factor. Radiation is the by product of the Photons release of its energy, but a portion of that energy is absorbed by matter according to various factors including, density, pressure, time of exposure and temperature. Basically the research Ive been doing leads me to believe everything we call material is made of energy until its converted to kinetic energy through oxidation or dissolved into hydrocarbons. the Earth is like a giant fuel cell. Even humans are fuel, basically anything material. The difference is the rate at which it decays or releases its energy. A nuclear bomb would be an example of an extreme rate of conversion. Aging is an example of a slower decay.

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If I take a serious look at your posts it makes perfect sense to conclude that you have a vivid imagination but only a fragmentary grasp of scattered bits and pieces of the scientific principles involved here.

Does radiation in the visible and ultraviolet range affect chemical reactions, including genetic ones? Yes indeed. Does it "shape the element"? I cannot answer that one because I don't have the foggiest idea what you mean. Please clarify.
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Does radiation in the visible and ultraviolet range affect chemical reactions, including genetic ones? Yes indeed. Does it "shape the element"? I cannot answer that one because I don't have the foggiest idea what you mean. Please clarify.
What I'm suggesting is that the effect that Photons have in shaping the element or cell depends on its density and its location in the atmosphere in regard to pressure, temperature etc.. The amount of time it is bombarded by the photons is also a variable. If I'm correct then the atmosphere may also have a lot to do with new species developing or their adaptation to it? Elements underground would still be formed under differing pressures like diamonds for instance. But the initial carbon based ore it uses as a base would have been created by the photons or cosmic rays. I'm not suggesting that the frequencies of light are a code from God or anything, I'm just suggesting that the frequencies are a code of sorts in relation to these other variables. The idea is that everything material is energy at varying densities, and everything is also a potential fuel as we call it with varying flash points. The rate at which it is converted back into kinetic energy is determined by its density and its environment. This would even explain spontaneous combustion. I believe it was Einstein that said energy can neither be created or destroyed so it would just be in one form or the other?
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What I'm suggesting is that the effect that Photons have in shaping the element or cell depends on its density and its location in the atmosphere in regard to pressure, temperature etc.. The amount of time it is bombarded by the photons is also a variable. If I'm correct then the atmosphere may also have a lot to do with new species developing or their adaptation to it? Elements underground would still be formed under differing pressures like diamonds for instance. But the initial carbon based ore it uses as a base would have been created by the photons or cosmic rays.
Wait. Are you saying that every atom starts as carbon, than absorbs photons, and becomes some other element (which element being dependent upon variables such as pressure and temperature)? Do you understand that makes no sense, as it is completely against all experimental data from the last 100 years or so? Do you have any evidence (I mean actual data or equations) for your idea?
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Wait. Are you saying that every atom starts as carbon, than absorbs photons, and becomes some other element (which element being dependent upon variables such as pressure and temperature)? Do you understand that makes no sense, as it is completely against all experimental data from the last 100 years or so? Do you have any evidence (I mean actual data or equations) for your idea?
This is Against the Mainstream isn't it?

I'm not saying every element starts out as carbon. I'm saying the elements are produced according to the initial elements position in the atmosphere and the frequencies of the bombarding rays or photons. Whether its a helium or Hydrogen atom to begin with it could become any number of other elements depending on these factors.

For one, every known element on Earth is contained in a cosmic ray. (And they are measured in Mev like the Photocell I mentioned.)

http://www.srl.caltech.edu/personnel...cos_encyc.html

I may be getting cosmic rays and photons confused, or it may be both, but I do think there is evidence that something along the line of what I am suggesting is taking place.

I don't know the math to figure it out but someone in this forum should be able to see the correlation?

Only certain frequencies are absorbed by matter depending on its atomic makeup and the variables I mentioned. There are 16 million color variations or temperatures in a beam of light.

The main philosophical issue is that it requires one to reassess what we consider as material. Everything is energy and we are all part of it. It is either in its matter form or converted to kinetic energy through oxidation or reaching its fuel flash point.
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Coliver. I believe you read an old post of mine where I quoted Szilard and Chalmers work....here:http://www.nature.com/physics/lookin...ard/index.html

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This is Against the Mainstream isn't it?

I'm not saying every element starts out as carbon. I'm saying the elements are produced according to the initial elements position in the atmosphere and the frequencies of the bombarding rays or photons. Whether its a helium or Hydrogen atom to begin with it could become any number of other elements depending on these factors.

For one, every known element on Earth is contained in a cosmic ray. (And they are measured in Mev like the Photocell I mentioned.)

http://www.srl.caltech.edu/personnel...cos_encyc.html

I may be getting cosmic rays and photons confused, or it may be both, but I do think there is evidence that something along the line of what I am suggesting is taking place.

I don't know the math to figure it out but someone in this forum should be able to see the correlation?

Only certain frequencies are absorbed by matter depending on its atomic makeup and the variables I mentioned. There are 16 million color variations or temperatures in a beam of light.

The main philosophical issue is that it requires one to reassess what we consider as material. Everything is energy and we are all part of it. It is either in its matter form or converted to kinetic energy through oxidation or reaching its fuel flash point.
It may be coincidence, but the Proton diameter is 1.65E-15 m, or in femtometers, and in the same range of wavelength as neutrinos, which are also in femtometers. In Mureika’s paper (PDF) Gravitationally-Induced Quantum Superpopsition he says:
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The neutrino oscillation mechanism discussed in [22] lends itself nicely as
a potential test-bed for the OR mechanism with extra dimensions, since the
interaction scale of the neutrinos should be even smaller than the femtometer
strong interactions considered herein (albeit the much smaller rest mass will
scale the effects accordingly).
This may lead to a “neutrino-strong” interaction at the proton scale, whereby it may have some sort of affect on ‘mass creation’, though at present I am not aware of any Standard theory to say so. But it is an interesting possibility, if the neutrino wavelength (photon) is smaller than the proton diameter, so it can penetrate its diameter.

If all matter is energy, then this may be the mechanism (philosophically speaking) that unlocks the strong interaction inside the proton, which would (at least in theory) explain how 'photons' create matter, and/or mass, and/or inertial mass, etc.
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There are 16 million color variations or temperatures in a beam of light.
Where does this number come from?
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The resulting element depends on the number of electrons rearranged by the photons frequency.
Elements are defined by the number of protons they have, not electrons.
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No I hadn't Trinitree but I do remember reading about the experiments at some point. It seems to be further evidence of the effects of varying frequencies on matter. We use radiation every day to attack cancer cells at the cellular level. In essence I think we are just speeding up what nature does over time?
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Color temperatures, the same as your monitor is displaying to you right now We currently use fiber optics to carry one signal in a beam of light. That same beam of light can carry 256 color variations and shades of grey which could be encoded and decoded on the other end? A new super microchip has just been born In retrospect I don't think it has bearing on whats happening anyway. I think its more the cosmic rays potentials that are in play. Im not sure about this but according to the theory Radiation is just a by product of the collisions taking place. Im still contemplating a lot of things but I wrote it down
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Elements are defined by the number of protons they have, not electrons.
So if its ejecting electrons and filling with Protons that would make more sense?

Read NutantGene71s post. I think he may be on to something?
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That same beam of light can carry 256 color variations and shades of grey which could be encoded and decoded on the other end?
That's like saying "there are 8 colours because I have eight paints in my paint box".

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256 is a "magic" number in computing as 8 bits (which make a byte) can represent decimal 0 to 255 - giving 256 numbers.
Take three bytes, one each for red, green and blue and you end up with 16777216 colour combinations in a three byte (24 bit) per pixel image.

None of that has any effect on the reality of how many colours are possible or exist outside of a computer monitor or a TV broadcast.

Click "view source" of this page and you'll see:

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{
background: #FFFFFF;
color: #000000;
...

The default background is white (red, green and blue all FF (hex) = 255 (decimal) = 11111111 (binary) = maximum.
The default foreground is black (red, green and blue all 0 = minimum (off).


An EGA display used 2 bits per pixel, giving 64 colours.
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Another point of reference that I have mentioned before is how lightning works. Its an ionization process with positive potentials dragging the negative potentials up from the ground. Again it resembles how a fuel cell works and is another example of how the atmosphere converts energy depending on pressure and temperature.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/lightning2.htm
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That's like saying "there are 8 colours because I have eight paints in my paint box".
ok forget the color temperatures An error on my part. Like I said, in retrospect I don't think it has bearing on the theory anyway. Its more about protons and ionization or potentials than the color temperature.
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Imagine the Earth as being inside of a giant glass sphere (space) filled with positive potential (energy) everywhere . Also imagine graduating pressures and temperatures with each layer of atmosphere from the center of the Earth extending outward to space (going from extreme pressure to a vacuum with 0 gravity). Outside of the sphere is also an energy source called the sun which is bombarding the glass sphere with photon radiation and cosmic rays. As the rays permeate the sphere they collide with the particles of energy and depending on where they are located in the sphere in regards to pressure combine to form the periodic elements. Similar to a plasma ball kind of thing
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Every molecule has a characteristic set of electronic states, each of which is defined by a particular arrangement of the molecule's electrons into molecular orbitals. These electronic states lie at different energies. Most of the time a molecule resides in the state of the lowest energy, known as its ground state, but there are accessible higher-energy states known as excited states. One way that a molecule may be transformed into an excited state is by absorbing a photon of light whose energy matches the difference in energy between the ground state and an excited state of the molecule. When this absorption occurs, the electrons rearrange to form the excited state. A plot of the tendency to absorb light versus the photon energy is known as an absorption spectrum and exhibits peaks that correspond to energy differences between the ground and excited states.

Because a molecule is inherently unst