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Old 24-July-2008, 08:02 PM
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here is my ATM proposition...

I have always been taught that the universe as we know it is just one of many…

A universe is born by the interaction of very high-energy membranes. These membranes permeate the higher dimensions and exist all around our universe; they are undulating like the waves in an ocean and lay together (for want of a better metaphor) like oil and water. These dimensions collide constantly. The collisions create bubbles of their own dimension of space and time. Like the foam that is made when the ocean water meets the land, universes are created in massive amounts like the individual bubbles in the foam. These “bubbles” if you will are whole universes, innumerable, they are born, live a life and then die out. I speculate that the energy of the collision dictates low large and long-lived a "universe" is. Just like in a particle accelerator, and as physical laws follow entropy, the higher energy the collision, the longer lived and larger size the resulting universe is.
The life span, shape and size of the universes created are directly proportional to the energy of the collision between interacting membranes. A collision happens and the energy is released into its own dimension, the new universe is born and expands into its own space, inflating like a bubble in a foam. Then there is a critical point where the “bubble” of the universe “bursts” and everything inside gets pulled out into the dimension the bubble bursts into. Maybe this can attribute to the fact that the universe seems to be accelerating its expansion.

The energy from the initial event is huge however, finite. Energy condenses to form mass. Quarks and leptons soup saturate the early universe but over time further condense to from stars and planets. Over time the newly created universe will age and cool off eventually becoming inert.

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Hey; I have no problem with any of that as long as you're not using it to discredit any commonly held theory, or attempt to prove something using that thinking.

We have no evidence one way or another, so I would say pre-BB is open to whatever you want to think. If you can find supporting evidence...by all means, your welcome to it.

It sound similar to what I have heard about bubble theory, branes and the lik, but since I don't know much about it, that's as far as I can expand on it.
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Hope you will not abandon the discussion once you´re faced with arguments that don´t please you, as you did here.
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here is my ATM proposition...

I have always been taught that the universe as we know it is just one of many…

A universe is born by the interaction of very high-energy membranes. These membranes permeate the higher dimensions and exist all around our universe; they are undulating like the waves in an ocean and lay together (for want of a better metaphor) like oil and water. These dimensions collide constantly. The collisions create bubbles of their own dimension of space and time. Like the foam that is made when the ocean water meets the land, universes are created in massive amounts like the individual bubbles in the foam. These “bubbles” if you will are whole universes, innumerable, they are born, live a life and then die out. I speculate that the energy of the collision dictates low large and long-lived a "universe" is. Just like in a particle accelerator, and as physical laws follow entropy, the higher energy the collision, the longer lived and larger size the resulting universe is.
The life span, shape and size of the universes created are directly proportional to the energy of the collision between interacting membranes. A collision happens and the energy is released into its own dimension, the new universe is born and expands into its own space, inflating like a bubble in a foam. Then there is a critical point where the “bubble” of the universe “bursts” and everything inside gets pulled out into the dimension the bubble bursts into. Maybe this can attribute to the fact that the universe seems to be accelerating its expansion.

The energy from the initial event is huge however, finite. Energy condenses to form mass. Quarks and leptons soup saturate the early universe but over time further condense to from stars and planets. Over time the newly created universe will age and cool off eventually becoming inert.

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Interesting. But you need to put some meat on the bones.

Please explain mathematically what a membrane is and where and in what sense it exists.

If membranes have high energy please define the reference frame, outside of this universe appareltly, in which that energy is determined.

Explain what means for a dimension, which is a purely mathematical construct, to collinde with another dimension.

Explain in what medium bubbles form and what you mean by a bubble.

If the lifetime of a universe is dependent on the energy with which it is formed and if there are innumerable universes, then there is an implicit comparison of lifetimes in your assertion. By what means can time in one universe, which apparently is not even constant within a single universe following general relativity, be compared with time in a totally different universe?

If a bubble of a universe bursts, then it must burst into something other than that universe. What might that be ? What are its properties ? And how can a bubble burst into a dimension ? Please define what you mean by a "dimension" as it seems that your definition is somewhat different from that of conventional mathematics or physics.

Until you can address these points, and probably several more that will come up, you don't have a clear proposition that can be bashed, supported or adopted.
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very cool
let me think about this for a bit.
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