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Old 24-September-2008, 09:58 PM
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The Greeks thought it was fancy that 22 = 4 and 2 + 2 = 4.

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One is quite fancy a number. How many other numbers have the same square and the square root?
Is this magic?


(And, did you grow up in a place called "Ohau"?)
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Old 24-September-2008, 10:21 PM
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I'll use something everyone can agree on to start. Please be patient, this is not a joke. You will see what I mean. There are three versions that all of us know of this one tune that is there to remind us over time.

This is all predefined for us to find too.

I'll start with the 'alphabet song', since the everyone knows it. The frequencies are all there. Its the same music as "ba ba black sheep" and "twinkle twinkle little star".

The song (sing it at home) starts "a,b,c,d" where a = alpha, b = beta, c = cee, d = dee

The first two tones in each song are the same "ab" = "baa baa" = "twin-kle", the second two are the same pitch but higher "cd" = "black sheep" = "lit tle".

The difference between the first two notes and the second two notes is a major third.

So a,b,c,d is divided like this:

cd/ab = 1/3 the first split in the beginning (of the alphabet)

That is the 3.1 at the beginning of Pi, the ratio 1 to 3.

The ratio 1 to 3, gives us the second set of numbers

either
1 to 3 where to = 2

or

1:3 where the symbol : means 2

1 2 3
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Old 24-September-2008, 10:23 PM
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I've got to drop my son off at school, then I'll come back and explain bit by bit.
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Old 25-September-2008, 12:58 AM
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I'll use something everyone can agree on to start. Please be patient, this is not a joke. You will see what I mean. There are three versions that all of us know of this one tune that is there to remind us over time.

This is all predefined for us to find too.

I'll start with the 'alphabet song', since the everyone knows it. The frequencies are all there. Its the same music as "ba ba black sheep" and "twinkle twinkle little star".

The song (sing it at home) starts "a,b,c,d" where a = alpha, b = beta, c = cee, d = dee

The first two tones in each song are the same "ab" = "baa baa" = "twin-kle", the second two are the same pitch but higher "cd" = "black sheep" = "lit tle".

The difference between the first two notes and the second two notes is a major third.
That's interesting, because the tune I have known since childhood has c and d a perfect fifth higher. The higher note has a frequency of 1.5 times that of the lower one.

Maybe you are using a different tune. If it indeed is a major third, the higher note is 1.25 times the frequency of the lower one.
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So a,b,c,d is divided like this:

cd/ab = 1/3 the first split in the beginning (of the alphabet)

That is the 3.1 at the beginning of Pi, the ratio 1 to 3.

The ratio 1 to 3, gives us the second set of numbers

either
1 to 3 where to = 2

or

1:3 where the symbol : means 2

1 2 3
The remainder of this post in my opinion is incomprehensible numerical babbling. My educated guess is that it indeed is a joke, and in my opinion Off-Topic Babbling would be a more appropriate venue for it.
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Old 25-September-2008, 01:12 AM
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My educated guess is that it indeed is a joke, and in my opinion Off-Topic Babbling would be a more appropriate venue for it.
I think of this kind of stuff as like a form of Synesthesia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia
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Old 25-September-2008, 04:14 AM
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I'm not joking. I found the last of the four fundamental unit patterns today to complete the set.

I'll shoot off and start a new thread there when I'm done with the last unit. Here is the Prime Number pattern for anyone who wants it - the pattern is in between the primes and is bracketed.

PS the units form a scale from Jack and the Beanstalk, Fe, Fi, Fo and Fm which are the operations to make the units:

Fe natural function
Fi imaginary function
Fo the one function of zero
Fm the magnitude function (mass)

With these four, maths simplifies greatly. No more fractions or irrationals.

Primes:

The pattern is do a three times. Then the next pattern is a and b repeated three time where b = a + b like:
(a,a,(a),b),(a,b,)((a,b),c),(a,b,c),((a,b,c),(d,a, b,c),(d,a,b,c),d


1,2,3,(4),5,(6),7,((8),9,10),11,(12),13,(14,15,16) ,17,(18),19,20

So the formula for the prime numbers is:

Convert the number into Fibonnaci number of 1,3,5,7. If THAT number can be turned into a further a base Fibonacci number, it is not prime.

E.g.
the fibonacci sequence is just this 1,1,3 for the base

So, 13 is prime

15 is not prime because 15 -> 1131 by expanding the 5

17 is prime 17 -> 1151 -> No further reduction possible that would match 113 with having too many ones.

Another way to do is just to take the units away that are not in the sequence...

the units are:

1,3,5,7

The base units are:

11
131
1131
11311

19 is prime -> 19 -> 1171 can't go any further in terms of 3s and 1s so its prime.

21 is not prime -> 21 -> can't be converted into a fibonacci number and is not one.

91 is prime -> 91 -> 1171 -> can't be converted into a simpler fibonnaci number
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Old 25-September-2008, 04:16 AM
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Note, the a+b shows the pattern BETWEEN the primes which then shows the pattern of the primes, like a second derivative really
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Old 25-September-2008, 04:42 AM
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I'm not joking. I found the last of the four fundamental unit patterns today to complete the set.

I'll shoot off and start a new thread there when I'm done with the last unit. Here is the Prime Number pattern for anyone who wants it - the pattern is in between the primes and is bracketed.
Please don't start a new thread. There is no need to. The mods (and a few other posters like myself) frown on playing jumping jack threads. Keep it here.

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PS the units form a scale from Jack and the Beanstalk, Fe, Fi, Fo and Fm which are the operations to make the units:

Fe natural function
Fi imaginary function
Fo the one function of zero
Fm the magnitude function (mass)
What is this, flashbacks of school house rock?

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With these four, maths simplifies greatly. No more fractions or irrationals.

Primes:

The pattern is do a three times. Then the next pattern is a and b repeated three time where b = a + b like:
(a,a,(a),b),(a,b,)((a,b),c),(a,b,c),((a,b,c),(d,a, b,c),(d,a,b,c),d


1,2,3,(4),5,(6),7,((8),9,10),11,(12),13,(14,15,16) ,17,(18),19,20

So the formula for the prime numbers is:

Convert the number into Fibonnaci number of 1,3,5,7. If THAT number can be turned into a further a base Fibonacci number, it is not prime.

E.g.
the fibonacci sequence is just this 1,1,3 for the base

So, 13 is prime

15 is not prime because 15 -> 1131 by expanding the 5

17 is prime 17 -> 1151 -> No further reduction possible that would match 113 with having too many ones.

Another way to do is just to take the units away that are not in the sequence...

the units are:

1,3,5,7

The base units are:

11
131
1131
11311

19 is prime -> 19 -> 1171 can't go any further in terms of 3s and 1s so its prime.

21 is not prime -> 21 -> can't be converted into a fibonacci number and is not one.

91 is prime -> 91 -> 1171 -> can't be converted into a simpler fibonnaci number
Major word salad. Everything you've just posted makes no sense whatsoever. I think I'll do some drugs, maybe that'll help.

Edit to add
Also 91 is not a prime number.
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I'll start with the 'alphabet song', since the everyone knows it. The frequencies are all there. Its the same music as "ba ba black sheep" and "twinkle twinkle little star".
Interestingly, the greek alphabet fits that tune perfectly, with no "next time won't you..." needed to pad it out.

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That's interesting, because the tune I have known since childhood has c and d a perfect fifth higher. The higher note has a frequency of 1.5 times that of the lower one.
I'm sure the version I learned had a ratio more like 1.4983
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With these four, maths simplifies greatly. No more fractions or irrationals.
You have yet to show how it simplifies anything. In fact, you have yet to show that it can even be used to solve anything, whether it makes it easier or harder. In the meantime, you have demonstrated a near total lack of understanding of the problems you claim it will simplify.


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the fibonacci sequence is just this 1,1,3 for the base

So, 13 is prime

15 is not prime because 15 -> 1131 by expanding the 5

17 is prime 17 -> 1151 -> No further reduction possible that would match 113 with having too many ones.
Word salad indeed. This does not describe what you're doing or why, it explains nothing about why base 10 is special or why 4^64 is special. Or about anything else, for that matter. And as mentioned, you got the wrong result for 91. And you persist in calling things units that are not units, and calling things functions that are not functions. And inexplicably throw in a physical unit in with those "functions".
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Fi imaginary function
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True to his word, he did make another thread in the OT section. I think the mods got to it though, seeing that it isn't there anymore.

All it said was
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True to his word, he did make another thread in the OT section. I think the mods got to it though, seeing that it isn't there anymore.

All it said was


Oh well.
Oh well indeed.
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Basically, since you can use any public key to work out the private one in milliseconds instead of 10e32 it removes modern encryption from anything.

Do you not think that is a big deal?
No. Not a big deal, particularly when the nature of the algorithm yields a solution set many times the possible keyspace, and the keyspace is many times the size of the message.

Encryption methods exist which are both blazingly fast and unable to be broken.

Case in point:

Encrypted Text:

1 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0
1 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 0
0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 1
1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 1
1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0
0 1 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 1
1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0
0 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1
1 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
0 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0
0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0


Decrypted Text:

Mary had a little lamb; it's fleece was white as snow. And every where that Mary went, that lamb was sure to go.

Even when provided with both the encrypted text and the decrypted text, I guarantee you that absolutely no computer in the world, now, or ever, would ever be able to figure out how that was encrypted, either the mechanism, algorithm, or what the key is.

So - why aren't they on the market (where the baddies can get to them)? We (our nation) are good. Not stupid.
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Your decryption is clearly off..it says "Pete, I'd be glad to get you another beer"

Unfortunately I hear that a bit too often

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Convert the number into Fibonnaci number of 1,3,5,7. If THAT number can be turned into a further a base Fibonacci number, it is not prime.
7 isn't a Fibonacci number,
Fibonacci numbers are 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144

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Also 91 is not a prime number.
In a previous thread he also claimed 49 was prime.

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Please don't start a new thread. There is no need to. The mods (and a few other posters like myself) frown on playing jumping jack threads. Keep it here.
Not only was there no need to, I had explicitly told him not to; but reading what other people wrote doesn't look like it was a priority, hopefully he'll spend his suspension doing some reading.
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Don't bet on it. He's either enjoying this leg-pull, or he's in his own little world. I've read enough to of his gibberish to suspect everything he says now. If he came back with 1+1=2, I'd drag out the calculator.

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1 uey +1 uey = 2π radians
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a more relevant thread is locked - discussions of god's sense of humor, 666 etc. Well then (phi-1)*(pi)*(7^3) = almost the beast!

(I never claimed to have any useful input here)
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