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He gave a talk on this electron radiation where it's coming from and what causes it will have on the planet.
He said it was due to the rings of Acloyne.

You can read his own words here.
http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-...ative-emotions

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Wikipedia: Samael Aun Weor

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It's not planet X, the source is the sun of our sun. It's a gigantic sun with rings like Saturn except they are radiation rings.

Our sun and solar system orbit this gigantic sun with radiation rings, it's name is Acloyne. There are seven solar systems orbiting this gigantic sun, these 7 are the Pleiades.

Each sun is the center of a solar system, and Alcyone is the center of seven solar systems.

The rings of Alcoyne extend themselves across many light years; they are immensely huge and our solar system is entering into these rings.

Scientist have not spotted this great sun, as the third dimension is not the only dimension in the universe. But the effects of it as starting to be felt. This will only increase as we pass through the rings.

Welcome to BAUT elitecamper. Please take this Weor stuff over the ATM section. Not for this thread. Thanks.

Sorry, wile it did appear related to me maybe it would not appear that way to another person. I apologize I did not mean to offend anyone maybe I could have worded my posts better. I was just sharing some different points of view regarding these particles. Where do you guys think these particles could be coming from?

Me personally I don't buy much into the dark matter theory because science knows so little about it, they are saying that it must be a "clump" of dark matter near by. That's the best possible dark matter explanation, but that's kind of inline with it being a pulsar or a black hole near by.

So basically the way its looking is that there some unknown object basically in our back yard that is emitting radiation and we can't find it or see it. Although the data is telling us something is there.

Scientifically I think its real, hopefully as the years go by we learn more about it.

No apology necessary.
The data is the arrival of high energy cosmic rays here on Earth. Current theory tells us that they must be coming from somewhere close by. That's all we know at this point.

We don't know where it's coming from, because we haven't looked yet.
We don't even know if it's coming from a point object, or a distributed source, because, again, we haven't tried to find out yet.

I'll leave this thread now so you can go ahead with Weor...

mmmmmmm, the sun of our sun?

This sentence would imply that our sun (the yellow one in the sky) is part of the pleiades, which is not true. And that the pleiades (also called the 7 sisters) are but six, which is also not true (implying that our sun is number 7, but we already know that our sun is not part of the pleiades).

I guess we can let the first part of the sentence go through. The second one however ... Alcyone would have great influence on the neighbouring stars, why are only our sun and the pleiades "locked" to this sun of suns, as e.g. proxima centauri is a lot closer to us.

what kind of energy? guess I will have to look at a website somewhere, but interestingly this sun of suns is not mentioned on the wiki page about this person Samael Aun Weor, nor stars.

And I don't understand, if we are circling around this alcyone we must be in a very elliptical orbit, because otherwise we would not be entering the rings. ohh questions questions.

no, indeed, there is also the first and second dimension, otherwise we would not have a 3D world, but that is probably what you wanted to say. However, this is kind of strange, because if I were a 2D person, I would be able to see images of 3D objects (just read the very fine novel "flatland"). This means that even though this celestial body would be 4-5-6 dimensional, we would nonetheless be able to observe it, unless it has some very special properties that it only emits radiation along the one axis that we cannot observe. but that would be very special.

a quick search on the web showed me this pdf about the rings of Alcyone, but I cannot read it now. playing time is up.

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Surely if there were an Ur-sun affecting the orbits of the Pleiades and Sol, this would be obvious to anyone observing the motions of these bodies. Seems to me that even if Acloyne were invisible, we'd still have figured out its exact location and mass by now, just based on how everything around it moved.

It's a transcript of a lecture, 9 and a bit pages of text and a cover page.

It mentions that Alcoyn is the principal sun ofthe Pleiadese so I take it that it is included in the constelation.

As for the Radiation, it's apparently 'fractional electron' energy caused by 'splitting an electron'

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Aaaargh.
Please, folks.
I know Elitecamper has used three different spellings already, and everyone else is just joining in. But the real star being referred to here is called Alcyone.

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Well, there are 4 of them so which is it?

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The correct spelling is "Scartlewubfutter".

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Oh, see, now that makes much more sense. So... Alcyone, in the Pleiades, is visible, and does have an observable effect on its sisters, right? It's just Alcyone's radiation rings that extend invisibly over many light years through other dimensions, and even though they don't have enough of an effect to be noticed (nor give any hint of their existence in the observable properties of the star itself), they do have enough of an effect to be noticed after all?

Four of what?

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Alcyones

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Ah. I'm guessing the OP refers to the easily visible blue giant rather than the other three, very much fainter, components of the Alcyone system.

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Is there any science involved?

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Look, to be fair to Elitecamper, I don't think he means to push this theory. He was just commenting on another thread. He might want to avoid an ATM grilling. Until he comes back, how about we go a little easy on him?

Hi guys I'm here, I'm glad there is interest in what I posted because it is definitely interesting to me.

I'll be more than happy to explain this different point of view and answer any questions you may have, I do not mind being "grilled" but I ask that lets keep it respectful, do not make fun of different points of view or ideas. Ask questions seriously or make arguments respectfully, that is all.

I myself do believe in Alcyone, but just because you believe something it doesn't mean that it is true. I'm am not pushing this point of view on anyone but I did want to share it because I find it very fascinating.

I will review the posts posted so far and reply to them or answer their questions.

If you want to read up on Alcyone here is a link to a lecture given by Samael Aun Weor, in it he mentions an electron radiation that our solar system and planet would be exposed to.

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-...ative-emotions

Just because I believe something it doesn't mean its true. There is a science involved but it is not like the science we know today. The science we know today is external. But there is also a science that is internal. That is the science of the consciousness. It is a science too as it is not based on beliefs but on direct experience.

In Samael Aun Weor's writings he shares knowledge of what he has witnessed what he has seen or experienced, but it is not through the external science that is practiced today but through the internal science.

So are you saying this is a matter of personal belief? It isn't supposed to be a scientific argument based on objective evidence?

Putting it kindly, that page is full of what we typically refer to here as "word salad" with lots of unsupported assertions. If there is a scientific argument there, I couldn't find it.

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I saw this post after I wrote my prior one. So, you're basing this all on what Samael Aun Weor says? There is no objective verification?

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That is by definition not scientific. Personal direct experience is non-verifiable, non-repeatable, not predictive, and not falsifiable. Call it 'experience', 'worldview', 'new age', 'way of thinking', 'new paradigm' or whatever you want, but it's not science.

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There are no scientific arguments, Samael is only discussing and sharing his experience with the audience.

I will say this there is no such thing as objective evidence that's an oxymoron all evidence is subjective.

That's why the internal science is also important, through humanities external science (the science of studying the world and phenomena around you) you gain a lot of subjective knowledge which you bridge together with theories or beliefs.

The modern scientific mind ignores the internal science (the science of the consciousness). How can objective knowledge be reached when the consciousness is asleep, when it is not developed and completely ignored?

Samael is a man of internal science, and he shares the knowledge he gained through that practice of the internal science. That is all, he is not trying disprove or prove anything he is only sharing it.

Yes, well I wanted to share it and talk about it, but I think I got a little carried away with my beliefs and shouldn't have posted them as facts. That was my mistake. I was interested in sharing these ideas not so much in proving or disproving anything.

Okay, thanks. To your credit, you're being pretty clear that this is a matter of belief. From a science perspective there isn't much to discuss.

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Hi Elitecamper:

Several paragraphs into that word salad you linked I find this:

We have been told that the Sun that shines upon us is the seventh sun that rotates around this star Alcyone. Naturally, this would not be admitted by the wise men of official science, but we, the esoterists, do not ignore the reality concerning the significance of that great sun.

Not only are there no scientific arguments, but this fellow is dismissive of science, or anti-science.

What I am curious to know is why you would accept this fellow's decree, or unsupported say-so, and reject the body of evidence that our Solar System is not a part of the Pleiades.

Have you taken the time to learn how distances at large scales are measured? It is certainly, in my opinion anyway, much more interesting than the ramblings on that page.

It is because of an interest to learn about reality and the nature of the universe. Science inquires about these same things but they are materialists, only accepting a small part of reality and rejecting the rest.

What is truly important is objective knowledge. Not subjective knowledge. But science is not objective knowledge it is subjective knowledge. Many experiments are done and from the outcome you have new evidence or new information. This is subjective knowledge. Then from that belief structures are developed and sought to be proven through the subjective evidence process.

That is the problem of science now to tell you the truth there is nothing wrong with science it has its place and use and purpose. But to hold it as an ideal, or in very high regard above everything else, or as a way of life is severely limiting.

Am I correct to conclude that you are not interested in how the distance to Alcyone is objectively measured?

The answer obtained by parallax measurements indicates that the Sun cannot be part of the Alcyone system, and that Samael Aun Weor is wrong. Before you accept his say-so, perhaps you should learn how powerful simple geometric methods can be.

I'll certainly hold the results of science over the gibberish of Samael Aun Weor.

Yes that's fine Torsten.

Btw guys I don't believe Alcoyne is in the 3rd dimension.