Relax Rex84, nothing's going to happen to you. As for ATM: element 115 is not ATM, nor is QM. Anti-gravity, however, is.

Not to defend a stray thread, but Bismuth is the most diamagnetic stable element known. We might expect its big brother to be even more diamagnetic, but this is not anti-gravity. This is a tool in levitation within normal gravity. We need to be careful what property of the element we are referring to.

Quantum mechanics works very well in the solid state world.

Here is the dreaded Wiki link for solid state physics

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It would be very strange for an astronomy forum to limit discussions to solid state physics...and you seem to think that it is mutually exclusive with quantum physics. I suspect you mean classical physics, but even assuming that, there is no rule against discussing quantum mechanics. QM is widely misunderstood and often outright misrepresented in ATM claims, but is itself quite mainstream. And it is also extremely important in solid state physics.

Okay... I did notice the college professors that I talked to, sort of get a bit antsy when discussing QM. So when I hear people talking about QM I start shying away. Thanks for clearing it up a bit. I still wish I had put this in the right context when posting. Just was to eager to see how the poll would go I know right? But basically, I am here to learn from those in the know...so thanks to all who post on here, even if their post is mostly the word "hogwash"

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Thank you for clearing that up for me! Taking it under advisement.

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To the best of my knowledge, only 4 nuclei of element 115 have been created in the laboratory (Experiments on the synthesis of element 115 in the reaction ²⁴³Am(⁴⁸Ca,xn)^291−x115, Oganessian, et al., Physical Review C, vol 69, issue 2, February 2004, article number 021601; Physics News Update 672(1), 2 Feb 2004). I can't find any indication of a followup attempt to create more of Element 115, which is not surprising considering the extraordinary difficulty of the experiment.

The nuclei created by the Russian team lasted 0.090 seconds (90 milliseconds) before decaying due to their natural instability. But that is a really long time, and nuclear theory suggests an "island of stability" in the really heavy nuclei, where they last longer than the ones around them in nuclear weight. So the unusually long lifetime of 115 may indicate experimentally that the theory is correct.

Superheavy elements like 115 are unstable in all Galaxies everywhere & everywhen and so will not be stable under any circumstances. They also do not occur in nature at all, not even in supernova explosions, and can be created only in laboratories where much higher particle energies can be achieved than any supernova is capable of.

And of course neither Element 115 nor any other superheavy element has anything to do with "anti-gravity", which is only an imaginative fairy tale in any case. There are reports of research in superconductivity resulting in anti-gravity like effects, but the constraints on the experiments are not well established, and you expect magnetic forces to do that kind of thing in small magnitudes anyway.

Tensors are a specific mathematical tool used in general relativity, which is the theory of space time that deals with "folds in space". There may well be a way to make "folds in space", at least in theory, but it has nothing to do with the fanciful notion of superheavy elements and "anti-gravity". One idea on the edge of ATM territory is the Alcubierre warp drive (i.e., Alcubierre, 1994; follow the arXiv link to a PDF of the original paper in preprint, and follow the "citations to the article" link to find other papers that reference this one). I say "on the edge" of ATM because while the paper appeals only to mainstream theory, claims of a technological realization of the theory are definitely ATM.

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Sweet. Looks like everything has been packed away in neat package!! Yes we have not understood where gravity comes from anyway or how it is produced or what it actually is "specifically" so sure anti-gravity is even more perplexing at least to me anyway.

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Interesting: I don't see much of a question or ATM here. I see a lot of LOLs and smilies, but haven't really determined if there is a direction.

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Personally, I have. To ATM.

I don't see a bold claim. But I see a lot of flirting with one or several. We don't really have a category for that, but what is here sure isn't like the other Q&A topics where members seek out mainstream answers to their questions.

This is just plain weird in total. I agree that the best fit for now is ATM. Maybe when we develop a "Flirting with ATM" section it can move there.

(Affirmative to the smiley overload. I'll use this as a counterexample whenever someone claims smileys benefit communication.)

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Quantum mechanics is one of the most proved theories in existence, with a ton of supporting evidence.

What you have to watch out for is all the metaphysical speculations that people associate with QM. A good example is the documentary/film "What the Bleep do we know." It's an interesting production, supposedly about quantum mechanics but the line gets blurry between QM, metaphysics or just pure unscientific speculation.

Please don't make smilies illegal! I'd be in big trouble.

Right; that's basically the point I was making. This is probably the best place.

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Yes; but that is a complex situation combining the following:
- Metephysical types looking for justification.
- Lack of a physical reference to the concepts.
- Media trying to make a real world (common people) type of connection to the story.
- Scientists attempting "laymen's terms" which turns an analogy into something else.
- People with high hopes that hear what they want.
- People equating it with science fiction

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You're very much welcome for my own attempt to keep it short and sweet and waste as little as possible of your and readers' time. Even if it didn't exaclty work out expediting things in the short run I still hope that it will in the long.

The hogs are for now on standby, still eager and able to serve.

More swill, more swell.

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Heh-heh! That is funny as all get out!

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I voted "no" on the assumption that "viable" is supposed to mean that it will hang around long enough to do something useful with it, in which case 90 milliseconds won't do. On the other hand, if "viable" is supposed to mean simply "exist", then I would obviously have answered "yes". So the poll question should be written less ambiguously to get a viable result.

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Costly? Well for all intensive purposes everything above iron requires supernovas. Small amounts can be produced via normal stellar nucleosynthesis but the heavier the element the less likely that it will form.

It is more costly to get Ununpentium from natural sources then it is to make because we don't expect it to last in nature. We don't expect it to last in the lab either.

So it doesn't matter how "Costly" it is. The fact remains that the energies needed to produce elements above Iron are most commonly found in a super nova explosion. So the only places you'll find naturally occurring Ununpentium is during a supernova and maybe in accretion disks of neutron stars and black holes.

I don't understand what you mean "harvest the supernovas in our galaxies". By the time you see the light from the supernova, even if you where in the same solar system as it was, any Ununpentium that may have been produced would have decayed away.

The easiest way to mine a supernova is go out dig up some nickle or copper. It is all over the place and almost all of it was produced in a super nova.

- I see that it has been said that the energies in a supernova are not high enough to produce it. Is this entirely accurate? For example my understanding is that via normal stellar processes our sun will not produce any significant amounts of elements above Carbon but there is still chance collisions that will produce trace amounts of heavier elements.

Essentially, what I was saying was that if we could get the any material from a supernova--now--then who would really need Element 115 or any other element for that matter because of the tech involved would have superceded anything we have now and any benefit from those elements. And as for the Sun the ATM stance is that it is may not be composed of nuclear reactions because of the loss neutrino emissions that we cannot detect at all to validify the sun as a bunch of nuclear reactions. GLAD we are the right forum. I like your background on this subject--I am just clearing up my stance though. I just believe we would not need Element 115 if we had the tech to produce it at all because we would stumble upon a new science all together.

Happy Thanksgiving...yeah it is the season!

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You mean the formerly missing neutrinos? Then you are a bit behind the times.

Kudos.

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? What do you mean "And as for the Sun the ATM stance is that it is may not be composed of nuclear reactions because of the loss neutrino emissions that we cannot detect at all to validify the sun as a bunch of nuclear reactions."

Neutrino's are detected. We have even found out that the Neutrino has rest mass because of the sun. If you start to say that stars don't produce their energy from nuclear reactions, like the electric universe crap that some stupid guys put forth, then you better explain why everything appears that stars do get their energy from fusion like the why we detect different elements in different stars directly related to their age, type. Why fusion works just as predicted here on earth. Why E=MC^2 is the best answer. Why we see the relative amounts of the different elements in the universe, to include why we don't see 115

We do have the technology to produce element 115. We've done it. There is just no reason to spend the money to do it. It has no real use thus beyond saying "We've created a new element" it isn't good for anything from what we can tell. Sure it might have some great use we don't know about but then invisible pink unicorns could be controlling the genetic changes of all life and evolution doesn't really occur because of processes like random mutation and natural selection. I wouldn't invest any money on either topic without any proof beyond someones gut feel.

Hoyle was a great man when it came to stellar nucleosynthesis but he's a bit of a quack when he suggested viruses continually came to earth via comets.

Okay I will accept this as gospel. Did you call that guy "stupid"? Man you are mean. lol

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Well some water and ice did make it here--haven't seen any dog bite smoking gun evidence that any microbes made it they all get zapped in the Van Allen belts...except for the one instance where Venus fly traps only grow naturally in the area of an ancient meteor crater. Well they were found there then transplanted around the globe by humans.

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The Van Allen belts shouldn't be a problem as any incoming rock would spend only a very short time there. The problem would be the months or years spent in space with its unfiltered radiation.

Except what? What does this plant have to do with anything?

As mentioned, the time spent in the Van Allen belts is insignificant compared to the trip through space, temperature extremes, etc. And if an extraterrestrial bug does land, it'll be an ice-dwelling extremophile. If it survives landing, oxygen, and liquid water, it'll probably just get eaten by one of the meaner home-grown bugs that have been fighting each other for territory in Earth's environment for billions of years. It certainly won't find a warm body with an immune system also adapted to fighting off strange invasions to be a hospitable environment.

As for the flytrap...it's a close relative of the sundew and of the waterwheel plant, an aquatic plant with traps similar to those of the flytrap, both of which have worldwide distribution, and of numerous extinct species with fossil records. It didn't come from space. There are numerous plant species that only originate naturally in limited areas, there are numerous craters on Earth...a few intersections between the two are to be expected.

Remember, The Day of the Triffids is not a documentary.

Fred

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oh so plants aren't important to anything dealing with life on this planet eh? Interesting point. I am just stating a hypothesis believed by some non mainstream articles I have read before.

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Thank you for the valid points. I looked it up on Google again.

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