I did say I saw no evidence that this panspermia theory for a virus was viable. Thanks for reminding me that outer space is teeming with xrays,cosmic rays,microwaves,extreme heat and cold still exist in the universe, somehow I must have just forgotten that. Silly me I know right? LOL

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Okay before I get on another thread item: I better repost my interest in the Element 115 and the poll. Just feel free to educate me on whatever anything any of you know out there. No wrong answer as far as I am concerned, but unfortunately the laws of physics still apply. Lol! Any fresh new brains out there? Or nicely seasoned old ones on Element 115?

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I have a question. Where's your sig from?

Well to be honest my friend, I made it up. Just put quotations on in because I am quoting myself. Sounds like a title for a possible sci fi book eh?

Though I do believe that is ultimately how humanity will go down in cosmic history guns blazing then running in terror if we keep on with the bigger guns tactics that I see going on since the catapult's entry into mankind's arsenal and I am sure there are earlier innovations such as sword length.

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Playing on the theme of the Revolutionary War also.

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I asked what this plant had to do with anything. Also, you're not stating a hypothesis. Instead, it appears you were vaguely implying that venus flytraps are from space. Is that your hypothesis?

In any case, either you misinterpreted those articles or "non mainstream" is understating it rather strongly. Venus flytraps are flowering plants, which are a specific evolutionary branch of plants. Given that those plants evolved on earth, the ancestors of the flytraps would have to have gone into space to some other plant friendly habitat where they would evolve to flytraps and then hitch a ride back to earth. Rather ludicrous, as you can see.

Sorry I wasn't clear on that point...the articles just referred to some unknown property affecting the soil and altering the plants. NOT a genetic material either. I did mention the plant theory as only an exception for the fact that it made me think twice. I should have not added it.

It seems it is serving as too much cannon fodder on here and it strayed from my original subject matter of the Element 115, so I am done on this topic for now. Thanks for the data--it is useful for my ultimate purposes.

The theory did deal with a meteor impact possibly carrying a radioactive component to mutate the plants--remember this is a recycled hypothesis also and it was about 25 years ago when I read, so it stayed in my mind until recently.

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Attention I found a refreshing website dealing with 115.

http://www.webelements.com/ununpentium/

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I now have another question.

What's so fascinating about this element? To you, I mean.

Well I kept hearing about it from time to time discussions at the coffee shop on campus here, the Physics students talk way over my head. It is funny how they get mad at each other and arguing to the point of running out of the joint so it got my attention this year. SO I decided to educate myself. And I like it just about as much as I like Helium 3 which would be useful in nuclear fussion reactors (which do not exist yet I know).

Preety much--any research around or near 115, 114, etc would keep me in know if something else new comes along, so when the music stops I will not be the only without a chair at the coffeeshop. Yeah it is sad I have no life--the coffeeshop talk is all I have. I work nights until early morning so nothing social otherwise.

And I like the rock band too!

Besides my interest in Aristarchus and Corpernicus craters on the moon got boring.

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Incidently, China is planning a moon landing in 2017 to look for Helium 3 well that is the rumor I hear from these Korean students. I dont really buy it though. But this is getting off thread again lol!
Since we are 100 years away from having a nuclear fussion reactor

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Physics students talk about E115 and anti-gravity?

What level are we talking about here?

Juniors,seniors,masters and also astronomy students. I don't understand your confusion on this. Yes they are solidstaters mostly, but they love to hypothesize like anyone else.

Research does not happen in a vacuum nowadays my friend.

And most of them are from Korea and the Dubia and Qatar and India --they are exposed to data more readily than mainstream American students. SO I make friends with them just on general purposes.

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Hmm. Nope. Still confused.

Thinking an element might have anti-grav properties is serious hypothesising? They get grants for this?

The macroscopic properties of an element is not solid state physics?

Foreigners are exposed to data? In what way? You mean Americans are banned from accessing data? (I'm half-Indian by the way) Or do you mean they're more gullible? Or more willing to believe E115 has antigrav properties?

But this is an American campus you're talking about? If so, you don't see the irony in your last comment?

What?? A grant has nothing to do with why they want talk about what they want to? I don't follow you in any of this..sorry.
People stay up late and decide to talk about things together so it happens. Doesn't have to do anything with course curriculum or GPA or grants! And most of these guys and girls are full scholarships. I wish I was one. And this "gullible" label is off base at the least and a bit near sided to say the least.

And no Americans are not banned but coralled into whatever gets them paid and to work on time/ college professors are bound to the curriculum and their Deans of departments on the other hand.


I did not say that is all they talk about. I said from time to time they discuss it for whatever reason. Does not have to be homework assignment or thesis for a paper.

Now if that is not enough explanation--I am sorry I have nothing of interest to you in futher analysis.

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Sounds about right: Somebody brings up the old Bob Lazar story, anti-gravity nonsense, and so forth (this is probably not a physics student) and somebody else explains why it's fantasy. Then the discussion gets more heated because the proponent probably doesn't want to hear it.

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The Bob Lazar story came out in 1989. There was no data involved, it was simply his story. It got around, and even made into at least one computer game (XCOM used it as "fuel"). It's not terribly surprising that some students today would have heard of it.

Nonsense is discussed at campuses world wide. It would be nice if American students didn't have as much to deal with as students of other nations, but I seriously doubt that's the case.

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I have a question.

If the island of stability can be found, and if element 115 can be produced in a stable form, and if it happens to have properties which it is found might be useful in some way to science and/or engineering, or whatever, what is it that particularly links element 115 with anti-gravity?

I mean why not element 116,ar 114, or 2147?

Why should element 115 in particular have anti gravity properties?
After all it is just another element in the periodic table, isnt it?

Why not any other element?

Why do other elements not posess this anti-gravity property?

My view is Lazar hitched his snake oil wagon to it as it seemed unobtainable for the forseeable future when he started out. Oops.

This has unfortunately meant that element 115 will continue to be inextricably linked to anti-gravity forevermore due to urban myth.

It is my fervent hope that a stable isotope of Uup will be found and it will inevitably shown to relate to anti-gravity as much as a fish to a bicycle.

Of course that will make the CT crowd claim "conspiracy" all the more.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

Yeah they play a ton of games here online mostly. Hmmm well I am sure they are just taking siestas from having to think so rigorously. I am sure when they get jobs and start getting paid they will forget all about any late night chatter at coffee shops while they were in the Americas about 115, Britney Spears and other exotic topics. LOL! But it is interesting that hardly no American students at all hang out in the coffee shop. I did get to discuss some stuff with the one U.S. Physics student about how people here tend to just shut up and get paid. And to put it mildly, I am the same way, but I like to get romantic with science from time to time, but I am not gonna expect anyone regardless of their level of education or field of study to buy in on it and that is not what I am doing here. I am just trying to find out how it is regarded here, so no arguement pro or con is taboo. For my purpose, both arguements hold value thus the poll.

Well, I hope I get paid one day if not I am just glad I can pick up a book at the library and read the ones I want to read. But the thread is not about me.

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Hey now I like this post because I never bought in totally about this "island of stability" theory. Thanks for your con post.

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Well when I used the word data--I was meaning that in a generic sense not necessarily about 115 solely.

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This is good! Everybody don't forget to vote please. It is appreciated. I see this is a mostly a con discussion so far, but the yes and no vote is tied. Strange to me so far but then again it is ATM but it has been tied since it was moved here from the Mainstream side...very odd. Then again no one may be listening...LOL!

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Of course it is. The only evidence for a link between element 115 and anti-gravity is because "bob says so"

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

sigh...I am just talking about the poll. And I haven't been talking about anti-gravity. The poll says Is element 115 viable I did not say one iota about anti-gravity. Everyone else is bringing anti-gravity into the equation.

Let's stay focused. When I say viable that means for anything--not just anti-gravity (whatever that is?)

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I believe that's because the question is unclear and open to interpretation, which is why I didn't answer it.

In response to the question:

"Do you believe Element 115 is viable on our planet?"

I'd ask - viable for what? Are you just asking if it is possible to make it, never mind that it will decay immediately, and there's no evidence of any special "anti-gravity" properties? Or are you suggesting something more?

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Then you misunderstand what is intended by the theory. What you think it means is not what it was really meant for

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

You can make a few atoms of isotopes that will decay almost immediately. I wouldn't say that is viable for much of anything beyond adding to the record books.

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Yes, I want to know what is it good for? Everyone on here keeps talking about anti-gravity. Sure. People use EMU oil for arthiritis. Even though it is not medically proven to do anything medicinal. Yet they buy it like crazy. So that is what I am here to find out. I am hoping someone will stumble on here and enlighten me on anything useful about 115.

That is if someone out there is in the know?

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okay. thank you.

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That is good enough answer if anything. Thank you.

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