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Actually there is 2 ways to resolve this firstly, if we treat space as an object we could say it experiences a relative flow of time, we would also say objects contained within this object space also experience this relative flow of time but they also exist within this object space which has its own relative flow of time. Two measures of time from one source that usually runs in sync unless the object either inputs energy or add mass to become denser which can alter its position in space-time but this does nothing to the rate of flow of relative time.

Secondly you only age in your own relative time at a precise rate which is speed c in time, let’s look at how time travel would work with my idea
The reason I Believe time travel is impossible is we cannot move back in time only forward so this ends the idea there and here is why, you may be able to travel into someone else’s future space-time but you will never be able to travel into your own future space-time here is why you can dilate the time between 2 objects by moving one at high energies relative to the other so you can travel into someone else’s future space-time but then you can’t travel back in space-time only forward so if you try to travel into your own future space-time you will travel into future space-time just not yours as you never make it back to live past the point you travelled from so you are still in your present unfortunately and therefore you have not travelled any faster in time than you ever did and no matter what you do in space-time you never can change it you can only travel within own time at the speed of c so there is no chance of bumping into yourself anytime soon

We think space-time is one thing ...but wait don’t you experience a relative time also, so it that time a component of you or is it a you-time? And again nothing can move in three Spatial dimensions we only move within a space-time event even light and whether light only feels the force of time and not space-time is an argument again in observation which impossible without removing the observer from space-time.

Quite correct the start would be the moment of the big bang each object created in it has a start point the rest is just a path through space-time till whenever the end point is if there is one, there may be a point at which we can say some of those objects coalesced to form you or I but they are just general reference points a mental construct only 2 points will ever exist a start and a end... well may be.


? they way the human mind work yes you perceive 3 spatial dimensions of movement, but that is because of the event horizon of the present you can’t see the real path you have taken because you can neither see forward or back in time each object created in the big-bang has a path through space-time and as space only expands in a forward motion no matter what you do the next event is a step forward in time there is only movement in space because of time

an analogy with a river for the flow of quantum time might not be clear to define it better, quantum time does not care at what position your are located in space-time it’s separate and the whole of it flows through each particle relative to itself at speed c and it never changes no matter happens in space-time between particles a more concise point would be that particles change positions in a general flow but they can not alter the speed at which something flows through them so both flows would have to be separate and unable to interact with each other as space-time has 2 axis and time only 1 .

I am sitting in an expanding space-time event moving through time at speed c so you are moving. Again the event horizon of the present prevents you from detecting the movement and movement in one axis is time without space.

You can’t move through space without time , points on a compass gps coordinates are just products of the human mind they are not real, like hot and cold which are just 2 points on scale and even the scale is a construct to help us understand the world around us so we can measure it and quantify it but a problem occurs for us as we exist in the present without access either to the past or the future, whether you move south, east, north or west you are still only moving forward in time in a straight line as we are hindered by the event horizon of the present we use mental constructs of charts and scales to measure our travel and as these constructs also move through time at speed c in an expanding space-time event they make sense without us understanding why they make sense.


At the moment when space-time was created within the big-bang all it did was expand the properties of the original object it is contained within in space and time, so that object would have require 3 dimensions of volume or 3 axis of volume for space-time to expand within.

I thought it went like discussion then theory then experiment or is thought a crime these days

False. The universe does not move with respect to anything and is in a special frame of reference. Its age is not relative. Special relativity breaks down here.False again. Your wording suggests that time is absolute and relative. Which is it? That has been falsified with experients with muons. Secondly, why are you using the term "reference frame" when you don't know what it means? Something can only experience its proper time. None of us experiences ourselves going through relative time. No, that is two measures of time from two sources in differing reference frames.That has got to be the worst sentence ever put up on this board.So when we travel forward in time you claim we are not experiencing time travel? By moving forward in time we ARE experiencing time travel and special relativity agrees with you here that traveling into the past cannot happen. in quantum physics it does. You need work in writing sentences that are coherent. Try an equation.

t'=t (1-V^2/c^2)^1/2 where t'=time on the traveling ship to a distant star and t=earth-distant star frame's time. Now let the distance between the earth and the distant star be 10 light years and the speed of the ship measured by earthlings to be 0.8 ly per year.

t for earthlings = 10 ly/0.8 ly per year = 12.5 years.
t' for the ship= (12.5 years) [1-(0.8)^2] ^1/2 = (12.5 years) X (0.6) = 7.5 years

That is a five year difference. Now falsify that equation.



We think space-time is one thing ...but wait don’t you experience a relative time also, so it that time a component of you or is it a you-time? And again nothing can move in three Spatial dimensions we only move within a space-time event even light and whether light only feels the force of time and not space-time is an argument again in observation which impossible without removing the observer from space-time.You need to work on communication. None of that makes sense. Use fewer words, not more. That was worse.Nothing moves relative to itself. All of that does not show any grasp upon physics at all.Thought is not a crime. When are you going to come up with one? Where are your equations that theory makes predictions with? You do not respond in any way that shows you have any understanding except for the fact that only future travel is possible. Experiments have already taken place that verify relativity.

Either falsify the equations above or close the discussion. Show some understanding of reference frames, coordinate time, proper time and what constitutes an "observer".

Didn't see this mentioned (if it has been, I missed it)

The velocity four-vector is an invariant in relativity, with a length of c. If something is at rest, the time component has this length, but if in motion, the spatial part has a length, and the time component is shorter.

Any observer will, as has been pointed out, experience their proper time, since they see themselves as being at rest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-velocity


Also, a contention in the OP that it has been experimentally confirmed that you cannot speed up light isn't quite correct. It's just that we can't (yet) do an experiment than might confirm it. The space affected by the Casimir effect might actually result in a lower permeability and/or permittivity of space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scharnhorst_effect

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time and the speed of light by Einstein is about imagining perspective

your position in space realitive to lights speed and other positions in that space

hence space-time

thats all space-time and the speed of light is about

perspective

Is an implicit property of universe , where dimensions are time-like dimensions.

More precisely, for dwellers on time-manifold in time universe ...

By the way, convert time-like information to a non-exist "thing" called metric by multiply it to a constant is very much like converting a 20ms length to "30.8 unit of blue" or "19.2 kilo sadness" with constant multiplier .... beware, there's NO such physical existence of "metric object".

You need to falsfy all the experiments that illustrate that it is not imagining perspective. An experiment at Mount Washington in New Hampshire verifies that time dilation is real and not imaginery. The fact that radio dispatches in squad cars and buses and taxis work despite the disbelief in the earlier part of the 20th century that they couldn't, fearing that the momentum of a wave would differ when vehicles approach each other as opposed to going in opposite directions. Circuitry was expensive and they feared damage would result in receivers. The police used to pull over and call dispatch from street corner phone booths because the booth was at rest with respect to dispatch. They refused to believe Einstein until 1927.

Nothing to do with the large and fragile natureof radio transmitters and their antenna then?

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Neurobiology reports (via Wikipedia) that your brain is possessed of some '10 to the 11th power' neurons, each synaptically linked to more-or-less 7000 other neurons.
so...?
Well, Grasshopper, a current model of this system is sort of like a big bunch of springs wherein pressure from one direction affects the entire system, and the system is comprised of layers that correspond to what we term 'consciousness'.
yeh...and..?
When you meditate, you get all these springs working together in a harmonic symphony that eventually saturates the mind=brain interaction and the
"Dynamic Core"
becomes available.

The interactions of all these neurons and synaptical signaling generates electrical signals that transit the braincase at speeds exceeding c. No one electron or chemical reaction exceeds c, but the electrical phase relationships transiting the distance between your ears exceeds c.

So quantum physics becomes available and we create the very universe by defining its meets and bounds. Energy becomes matter because we make it so, and the universe expands accordingly.

Time literally comes in one ear and goes out the other. We are always looking straight ahead, living as we do on the 'x'-axis while experiencing live on the 'y'. We can turn our head and look at what time it was streaming into the left ear, but we can't go back there and change it. We can turn our head the other way and surmise what the oncoming time will look like as soon as it squirts out "behind" us, but we can't really know it until it happens.

So we live on and on like this and one day we die. If we die not too hung up on the past or the future, and the Dynamic Core is harmonizing happily with the music of our life at the time of passing, we literally transition to another 'space-time', as the one axis ceases and the other accepts our conciousness.

If I were me, I'd be fascinated with the whole thing too. It lies at the heart of our being and someday, Grasshopper, they will come to know that there is no conflict between Philosophy, Neurobiology, Evolution and Physics. We're all working towards the same answers.

Is that humour?

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Oh yes. they are all related.
But how ?

Could this be contributed to the fact that, when travel at the speed of light, which is, in effect like sitting at the time horizon, only the dimension " in front " is what create the observer's universe, other dimensions around , and behind , collapsed into "his internal universe" ...

In other word, just like sitting on a time horizon, the observable world is nothing but a human interpretation of "a time" dimension : somewhat like this [ Postulate of string theory : All matter is derived from the behaviour of 1 dimensional quantum objects ] ?

At speed of light, some interesting thing happens:

Be forewarned the following is just sufficiently accurate for beginners.

1)That direction is not an observable dimension , but through that dimension, the distorted outer universe can be observed.

2) The same universe is also distorted , observable, and reachable at the "Center of Mass ... toward the zero point of every mass", the inner universe .... in simple word salad fashion: to reach the innermost of any matter require as much "energy" as to reach the outermost of the universe ! a thin math dressing is: the outer universe is reciprocal to that inner universe.
In essence, the human universe@infinity is connected to all zeros@any-matter ... curved.
Gravity, is of course the same curvature from infinity to any zeros@any-matter !

3) That dimension served as time axis, and "flow of time" occurs due to curvature.

4) Physical quantities along that axis would be frozen, such as "angular momentum -> spin" , "momentum -> rest mass" .

Now we only wish that it would also be understandable for beginners, or for that case, for advanced readers.

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tusenfem: go back to Dimensions are time .. , re-read the whole thing, it's English easy, logic is simple, mathematics is basic & is talking of facts .... obstacle is in most humans' mind ....

I don't know where the quote comes from, but I don't really care.
What I was commenting on JTsang is that what you have written is basically not understandable.

If you want me to disect it:

1)That direction is not an observable dimension , but through that dimension, the distorted outer universe can be observed.

Which "that direction"? Why would it not be an observable direction? I guess you are talking about time, but who knows actually? And although it cannot be observed, one can "observe the distorced outer universe" through it? What the heck does that mean?

2) The same universe is also distorted , observable, and reachable at the "Center of Mass ... toward the zero point of every mass", the inner universe .... in simple word salad fashion: to reach the innermost of any matter require as much "energy" as to reach the outermost of the universe ! a thin math dressing is: the outer universe is reciprocal to that inner universe.
In essence, the human universe@infinity is connected to all zeros@any-matter ... curved.
Gravity, is of course the same curvature from infinity to any zeros@any-matter !

"The same universe", well, WHICH same universe???
"reachable at the center of mass toward the zero point of every mass", well that is nice word salat, does it mean anything? But at least you say yourself that it is word salat, so why should we pay attention to it, let alone understand it?

3) That dimension served as time axis, and "flow of time" occurs due to curvature.

"That dimension", well, once more, which dimension?? The word that refers to something that has come before in the text (it is reflective), but ... ???
And "flow of time occurs due to curvature", curvature of what exactly?

4) Physical quantities along that axis would be frozen, such as "angular momentum -> spin" , "momentum -> rest mass" .

"That axis" once again that, so, once again, which "that axis" do you mean, the time axis? And why should physical properies be frozen along this unknown axis? This all does not make any sense, and therefore I said:

Now we only wish that it would also be understandable for beginners, or for that case, for advanced readers.

which relates to the four points that you wrote down in that post I commented on.

It looks to me that you are trying to push your own ATM theory (probably presented in the thread "Dimensions are time") hiere, which is not appropriate. I am not going to read that thread completely, I think I remember a bit of it, and I was not impressed.

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tusenfem:

"Who knows actually" ? So you need some deep thinking about TIME as a dimension/variable/factor/axis , and success ...

Otherwise, you won't know who knows.

Without understanding of the dimension called TIME, you don't understand ANYTHING about physics ... everything are related to time, and it's "flow"... the derivative or partial derivative against it.

While everybody talking about curvature in spatial dimensions, even to most imbecile ... time is an inseparable part of it ... the curvature of TIME dimension is all but conceivable, to you, may be ? What is it's implication ? can you even faintly express it with your word salad ?

Reflective knee-jack shuts down open mind ..... remind you, velocity is unit-less, a ratio, between -1 and 1.... if that can't even make sense to you , may be you should not even try.

Look around, you are sitting in a TIME-LIKE universe, look in inside into matters, the "same" TIME-LIKE Universe ! ....
Can there be two or more different (type) of universe ? confused ?
What happens to the constant called "C" , can you see it as an implicit property ? it is self-referencing .... dissect the words.

More math is what you need, did you ever recognize the equations are indeed relativistic Hamiltonian ?

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Oh well, It's a different between advance readers or beginners , however, let me help, the generalize momentum along the time axis/dimension is also called Rest Mass .. under the notion of momentum @ speed-of-light, normalized.

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Here, my words are still about this thread's travel through time at the speed of light ... and it's effect.

It's limited, way off from what I wrote, so if you want more, check out whatever I wrote in this forum, read and rethink !

JTsang I don't care if your think I am a fool, or whatever, but your answers show that you have no idea why I am complaining about your writing style. Let's take an example from above:

The "who knows actually" is a comment that I make because nobody reading your message understands what you are talking about. I know time is important for you, so I assume that your "that direction" is time, but as you do not state anything specific, we can only guess at what you mean.

You have a real problem trying to express your ideas in proper English, and it usually comes out in gibberish. For example:

Velocity is unit less, well that is a surprise. Well, I guess if you are in a 1D space and normalize everything to light speed, you might almost be right, however, the phase velocity of plasma waves can still have a unit-less velocity greater than 1, how do you deal with that?

We can deal with this if you like, however (and here I must revert to moderator mode):


You will have to start your own new thread to push your own ATM idea, you cannot push it in somebody elses thread.

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Tusenfem:


1) Don't you realized NO normalization is needed ? it's naturally Time vs Time.

2) Phase velocity ? are you confused ?

3) Why assume ? Did you read carefully ? or everybody have problem reading ? can't you find that sentence ?

But again, since you declared EVERYBODY have problem reading what I wrote, Wasn't "travel through time is not for everybody" forewarned ?

Tusenfem: I don't consider you as a fool, I would think it's the baggages of physic concepts developed around AD1900-1940 still weigh heavily in you.

ATM is a fun place with people working for free in trying new approach, pick the gold and discard the trash .... curvature in "time dimension" .... I bet you never thought about that ..... stop complaining on irrelevancy.

Read carefully of what I wrote in this thread, they are refrained from the other topics such as GUT, TOE, I believe travel through time at the speed of light is a sufficient topic to deal with some fundamental concepts and misconception.

1. No I do not realize that, I guess that is in your old thread. But I do think that if you want to have all velocity between -1 and 1 you have to normalize in some way to get a maximum of 1.

2. Phase velocity is something rather normal in plasma physics and electrodynamics, why would I be confused?

3. I assume because your writing is so bad that I cannot understand half a sentence you write down, THAT is why I assume. It is totally unclear what you mean when you say "that direction". I don't know if anyone cannot read and what sentence am I supposed to find? Please stop this nonsense.

Well, as basically nobody is posting anymore since you started writing, I guess that there are a lot more people who don't understand what you write.

Thanks for not thinking I am a fool! I don't know about baggage from early last century, but up until now, nothing better has come along, and look at all the technique that has been build on this "baggage".

And I did not complain about irrelevancy, I told you that you should place your ideas in your own thread. Curvature in time, sure why not, now ... what kind of effects does this have on our daily life? I like ATM and it would be nice if something new came out of it, but up until now I have only seen lots of unfounded stuff by people claiming to be the new Einstein.

I have read what you wrote and it does not make sense. Maybe it makes sense when you read your old thread, but I don't think I should search through those old posts in order to "find that sentence". You can try to explain clearly what you want to say and not in half sentences without any meaning.

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Tusenfem:
Making SENSE to you is irrelevance to me.

However THE what make sense to you amazed me.
..... Curvature in time, sure why not ....
Please help me to understand:
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It is ridiculous ! why sure why not?

Is it a mainstream acceptable idea ?
It makes sense to you, why is it so , please explain .

Can time be an AXIS ? and be curved ?
How ? How can it curve ? curved against what ? what is curvature ?

What kind of math is required to deal with this ?
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we can defer "what kind of effects does this have on our daily life?" or for that matter, "driving", later.