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http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bb...&showweek=

there were several interviews last night with Dr. Dan Burisch from S-4
above is a link - below is a snippet...... (this is just one topic mentioned)

I am sure you will debunk but at least read it all first...


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For those who are interested in reading the full interview, it's on page 47 of that thread. My impression is that Dan is almost as far gone as Nancy.

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that is the same link I posted. I encourage those interested to read the entire interview... there is more on the following page... most has nothing to do with px.

He is a little more difficult to "write-off" than Nancy Lieder. If you decide to start checking out his scientific writings. There are many links to information about Burisch and his work on the thread. If I find the actual page, I will post it here.

I'll have to second ToSeek here. What do you find credible that I might've missed crux?

When I used your link, I somehow ended up with page 1 instead of 47. Don't know why, and it worked when I tried it again.

I would be interested in any pages that give some good background on Burisch. I googled on him but didn't come up with any pages that seemed to be "core."

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I would rather listen to Nancy. (If it had to be one or the other)

Burisch is out past her, imo.

Hi Toseek - hope this helps:

from white rabbit

Why do you think he is more difficult to write-off then Nancy? Simply possesing a Ph.D. does not make one immune from delusion or deception. It is important to distinguish between appeal to authority and appeal to competence. The opinions of a Ph.D. Microbiologist may carry more weight in matters of microbiology, but their opinions in other matters carry no more weight then those of any other (well educated) lay person. What biological language there is in the links seems very like the word salad of technical terms that Nancy often strings together. Some of it (like silicon replacing carbon in alien DNA) is simply science fiction.

Even though I've just said that having a Ph.D. wouldn't enhance his veracity, I'd also say that lying about having a Ph.D. would undercut it. Looking at the material in the links you've provided makes me very, very skeptical. I've just checked Medline and the Science Citation Index, and he doesn't seem to have published in any peer-reviewed journals in the last twenty years. One of the links does reproduce a paper he published as an undergraduate in the obscure "Journal of the Arizona-Nevada Academy of Science", but it would be a very rare Ph.D. with that as his only publication. Note that the Boomspeed link show Crain/Burisch as having received a BA from UNLV in 1986 and his Ph.D. from Suny Stony Brook in 1989. While not impossible, this again seems improbable (4-6 years is more typical). That same link says he received an M.S. in biology from St. Patrick's Seminary. Very few seminaries offer graduate degrees in the sciences, another note that seems dubious. Why don't you take a look at the on-line library index for SUNY Stony Brook and see if they list his Ph.D. thesis?

In my opinion this sounds like a recycling of the Bob Lazar hoax.

They don't, at least I can't find anything written by a Dan/Danny/Daniel Crain/Burisch in their online catalog.

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whats the story behind this Burisch guy?

I have read the sites that say he vanished, was thought deceased...etc. Is that part of the story? Or did he really go missing for a time being???

*shrugs* just curious. sounds like a SG-1 episode to me.

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CharlesEGrant:
I know that during the summer of 2002, all traces of the man and the time he spent at University of Las Vegas were disappearing from the catalogues... I have not looked for his dissertation at SUNY, but for comparison sake - I remember someone sending me to the Caltech thesis library site and just , many papers are not available to just anyone looking - at least I did not have the proper clearances.

I know that a Ph.D. may not mean anything (I know many who have them) - but he is and does work at S-4 facility next to area 51 and has been under "house arrest" for at least 3 years. This is why I find the conversations I referred to in my original post very interesting. Why someone let this conversation take place is a mystery. He did not expect it - quite frankly, he has been a reluctant source of information for quite awhile. Someone is pulling the strings on the inside of this project - I suspect it is a political power play... In he meantime, much information is now making it's way out - I think the question is why now, and what will the consequences be if any.

I don't think anyone here really wants to address what Burisch describes PX as being his take on PX is quite different from that of Nancy Lieder - which is why I posted here on the forum. But maybe this is not the correct section to have posted news about this conversation.

Regarding academic papers, I think there are a couple of abstracts amongst the links White Rabbit has posted up on the web site.

Digital Inspector: There was a rumor that was spread - perhaps by those he must work for - that he was dead last fall - this was quickly proven to be a lie by a leak who worked with him in the project.

crux, the man is a fraud. If he was involved in the kind of hocus that he claims (which is absurd in itself) he'd know of the consequences if he told anyone.. and we're not talking house-arrest here! Ask yourself why you have this individual willing to "leak" this kind of "Earth-shattering" information when others that were assigned to Groom Lake/Area 51 wouldn't dare talk about a measly stealth fighter . You seriously need to get yourself a 'woowoo' detector if you insist on lurking at GLP.

Or maybe it makes more sense to envision a government so powerful it can erase traces of Burisch's past, yet cannot prevent him from participating in online chats while under house arrest at a military installation?

:roll:

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How do you know that? Because someone wrote a web page that said they were? In other posts you have demonstrated a healthy skepticism of the popular news media. Why doesn't the same skepticism apply to material you find on the web? A scientific career would be harder then most to make disappear. What would they do? Go to all the university libraries in the world and razor blade out the journal pages? What would they do about all the folks who had already read and cited the material?

Something is dreadfully confused here. I'm a perpetual student and have attended several colleges and universities. In every single one it was a requirement that copies of the thesis be deposited with the university library where they are cataloged with the rest of the materials. A catalog of CalTech theses is available at http://clas.caltech.edu/search/c?SEARCH=thesis. No clearance is necessary. Similarly the SUNY Stony Brook library catalog is at: http://4330-magellan.cc.sunysb.edu.e...5/file/start-0. The theses themselves are available via Interlibary Loan. Most libraries have arragements with commercial serices to provide duplicate copies for a nominal charge. I have heard of one or two cases where pages or chapters were removed from theses when they touched on nuclear weapons, but I think in general the thesis is treated as a public record.

But again I have to ask how you know these things? Surely you've observed that it is common for people to make up stories and claim that they are true? Story tellers from The 1001 Nights to Fargo have started the most fantatic tales with "This is a true story ..." Don't you have even a inkling of a deisre to try and check the few facts that you can check up on?

Since there is no astronomical evidence for PX it doesn't seem very fruitful to argue about what it is or is not. Not to be sarcastic, but one might as well argue whether the large pink bunny standing behind your left shoulder is or is not a member of the NRA.

I dutifully checked all the links you provided. The only hard evidence of publication was the undergraduate project Crain published in The Journal of the Arizona - Nevada Academy of Science. This is a minor journal not covered by Medline or ISI databases. It is a nice thing for an undergraduate to have published even in a peripheral journal like this, but it doesn't make him a Ph.D.

Just in response, I have been following this story for a couple of years - on and off on the old eaglesdisobey site....
here are come credentials that were posted on GLP - and of course I do not believe everything I read on the net.... but I do not have a closed mind either. I tend to question and wonder as to why this story is being allowed out NOW - at this time. I get a feeling that something is going down but I do not think it is simple disclosure.
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I think you should start packing more grains of salt when you take the GLP train to Woowooville :wink:

There is no evidence of anything here but a hoax.

Remember, there is an internet archive where you can see lots of old web pages.

For instance here is a link to the Bad Astronomy web page from 1999.

http://web.archive.org/web/199901250...astronomy.com/

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://eaglesdisobey.com

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If you like I could go through the quoted material paragraph by paragraph explaining why I think it is dishonest and incredible, but in most cases the text boils down to "Believe this because I say so, and anything that doesn't check out is because of an evil government conspiracy."

In a previous thread touching on this summer's power outages, someone quoted a BBC story and you replied that people should be skeptical of the media and bear in mind the potential for bias. That was not bad advice. Here you quote a post from an internet bulletin board and defend taking it at face value on the grounds of being open minded. Why does the BBC warrant skepticism while a poster on Godlike merits an open mind? People can write any darn thing they want to and claim it to be true. As long as they stay away from libel or fraud, there is no law against spinning yarns and claiming they are true.

Do you really credit this stuff or are you simply entertaining yourself? I mean if someone claiming to be Burisch showed up on your doorstep tomorrow and asked to borrow your car or money would you give it to them?

I visited one of the links indicated by crux: http://scorpius.spaceports.com/~bemused/index12.html and I tried to read “The Transcript of Dr. Burisch’s “Last” Interview of Sept. 18, 2002”. In this interview I found a very strange fragment:
Let me mention that in another famous document attributed to Burisch, Q-94-109A, “leaked from Area-51”, he is describing J-Rod biochemical processes in very human terms. The logical consequence is that J-Rod is breathing oxygen.

I have only basic knowledge of physics, but I never heard of a mixture of hydrogen-oxygen used for breathing. This mixture will be highly explosive at high pressure, even if the temperature is low. The main question is “have the Aliens discovered the fire?”

Izzat anything like not being completely pregnant?

You either is or you ain't...and she is...

...nuts, I mean... 8-[

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Charles - I am not saying that anyone should believe something because I think it so - I am saying that I have an opinion just as you and everyone else does. Please do not put words into my mouth...

I guess no one here is interested as to the "why now" question I posed... the replies seem to be unanimous that everyone on this forum thinks the story has absolutely no credibility and that I should be lectured as to how to discern such matters. Is this correct?

Well, I do suspect that there is some sort of manipulation going on - I felt the same about Zetatalk - only I do not think they are for the same purpose.

Perhaps it IS a huge "evil world-government conspiracy!" lol

I think it is an interesting story (which is why I posted the reference to the thread) and apparently the number of .mils that have hit the various sites posting the information find it worth watching/reading.

Would I lend Dr. Burisch some dough if I had it? What is the purpose of your question? Are you asking me if I am a "groupie" or is this some sort of cult? or are you asking me about my morals - and helping a fellow human being? I would definitely give him a ride to where ever he needed to go - I don't think he could handle the idiosyncrasies to my clunker of a vehicle.

Yes and no. I think, outside of yourself, no one believes this Bob Lazar-like fairytale but how you decide to discern GLP's woowoo-scoop is up to you. Mr. Grant stated, and I agree with him , that you show an slanted pattern of skepticism, in that you question the authenticity of mainstream media, but fall for the paranoia-laced fantasies shoveled to you on GLP. You got caught up boring us with this fraud's credentials instead of asking yourself some common-sense questions about the story he tells. We covered this before but, first off, an inside source is allowed to leak this stuff? Other posters brought up some points as to how ridiculous this sounds in that the evil government can make him disappear and yet not control him posting to GLP! Didn't that set off skeptical alarm bells? Secondly, where's the proof of anything he claims? No proof? Your GLP source just blames the establishment, something you obviously have a problem with trusting anyway. Your source justifies lack of substance by concentrating on this fraud's so-called resume. It's no surprise that you believe this, especially when it's filled with evil government conspiracies. The surprise is you expect us to share your views.

You misunderstand me Crux. I was not refering to anything you said, I was refering to the quoted material from glp which says in a couple of different places "I saw this evidence, but you won't be able to confirm it because the PTB have suppressed it or made it disappear". The writer is asking us to believe something simply because he says it's true.

Yes, I think that about sums it up. It is a wild story and the "science" consists of word salad. The very least of the claims is that Crain/Burisch is a Ph.D. Microbiologist. That is the one claim that I can reasonably check from the comfort of my workstation, and it seem to be false. If that claim is a fabrication why should we give credence in anything else in the story? As for being lectured, well, you did ask for people's opinion ...

Before we leap to the conspiracy, could we at least consider the following well-known attributes of human nature:

• People like to tell scary stories.
  People like to hear scary stories.
  People find stories scarier if they are told they are true.
  On the internet, no one knows you're a dog.

In a previous post I mentioned the Bob Lazar hoax. I suggest you check it out (lord knows you'll find enough about it on the web). He claimed to be a Ph.D. physicist from Los Alamos educated at MIT and CalTech and recruited to work on recovered flying saucers at Area 51. He was all the rage in the UFO world for a while (he made the cover of Omni). Like Crain he claimed that the PTB were making all the evidence of his career disappear. His credibility was gradually eroded and he has now moved to the fringes. It sounds to me like Crain/Burisch is just a recyling of the Lazar materials with microbiology substitued for physics.

People sometimes disengage their ordinary practical skepticism when thinking about stories like this. As long as it's an entertaining abstraction they will accept argument and evidence that they wouldn't buy for a second if it came up in their day to day life. Asking "Yeah, but would you loan him money on the basis of that story ... " sometimes rengages their common sense.

I claim no expertise in the matter but I have read that hydrogen-oxygen is used as a breathing mix for diving at very low depths (i.e. Very High Pressure)

this link might be of interest.

This of course could have been used to make the "Word Salad" sound a bit more credible.......

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I always thought it was a helium/oxy mixture. A hydrogen/oxy mixture might lead to an unpleasant mini-Hindenberg inident!

I checked the link, and it confirms that helium/oxy is the mix of choice.

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Quite right, I was just mentioning that Hydrogen-Oxygen COULD be used as a breathing mix at very high pressures....

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CharlesEGrant - having re-read your post, I now see that mistakenly thought you were talking about my statement - not the Burisch info directly.

sorry I was so touchy the other evening. I should have stepped away before writing - yucky day at work.

my apologizes to you and everyone else

crux

No apologies necessary as far as I'm concerned, crux. I just hope you employ the same skepticism for woowoo stuff that you do for the more mainstream things. I'm all for people questioning what they're told (I do) and feel skepticism is a good thing, as long as it's not biased.

No apologies necessary! You were perfectly civil about it, and we all misread things sometimes.