i think that the pyramids in egypt were created by aliens because we cant even build a pyramid with the technology and the brains that we have TODAY, and the big 3 pyramids in egypt align with the stars or something like that, maybe thats directions or something, anyways this is fascinating ****

What makes you think we couldn't build a pyramid today?

I'm pretty sure the egyptians did it.....

Either way, just mere speculation will prove nothing. Saying that we can't build a pyramid today (I think we can) doesn't mean it was built by aliens.

How about the pyramids aligning with the stars (thats where the movie Fifth Element got its plot from)

So aliens develop the fantastic technology needed to cross vast distances and come to Earth, and all they can think of to do is make big pyramid-piles of rocks. And not a single other trace of their exience - they don't drop a single alien wrench or food wrapper while they're here. Uh huh.

Coincidentally, Val Trottan is discussing this here.

We can, and have, built pyramids in the modern day.

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The reason most people don't think our ancestors could do it is because they themselves don't know how to do it.

Ok - basic contruction lessons - step one. Get a pice of string and a couple pieces of wood. Put one stick in the ground while sighting on a star that stays nice and stable or sets in the same place throughout the year. The Egyptians lined up wiht the empty space the nrth star revolves around. Try watching the stars for a few generations - they were great star watchers for about a thousand years before they even tried the first step pyramids.

Use a simple wheel with a white dot and pace off however many revolutions you want. Keep track of this number.

Sight on the first stick and line up a piece of string and pound in the second one. There is one side of the pyramid and it's lined up with the stars!

Use simple geomotry to start at one corner, sight the other and make a 45 degree sighting where the thrid corner should be. Two people and some string and simple calculations - within less than a few hours and a clear night you've got hte base layed out! This BTW is where the measurement for the length of the first side comes in. Shimmy the corners till all four are the right lengths and the corners are the same distance from their diagonal partners. This is called "square" and any carpenter today can do it.

Then you just start cutting and hauling rocks... That is where you need a lot of people or some good equipment.

So... where is the mystery??

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And here is where the other stuff is.

I also think Ego is involved. We think ourselves so advanced and yet we can't even manage a budget for ONE country let alone a world LOL. The reality is that our ancestors laid the foundation for everything we have ... alchemy became chemistry, astrology became astonomy, and a great deal of lore and superstition is now being proven viable.

While I would love to think about alien visitors, I think we also need to give humankind some kudos for it's creative and curious mind. =D>

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Yeah, haven't you ever been to Las Vegas, PR? :P

In fact, I would say that the Luxor is more advanced than the ancient pyramids. It has living space, a huge gaming floor, plumbing, food services, etc...

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The Great Pyramids created by aliens?

NO.

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Lots of groups in our past built structures that were aligned with astronomical features. So what? They liked to note and celebrate the end of winter, or the longest day of the year, or any number of things. They were the same species we are, and had the same intellectual potential. And I'm guessing they had their geniuses too. We don't need aliens to explain the pyramids or Stonehenge or much of anything else.

I don't undersatnd what is complicated about the engineering behind a pyramid either. For example, go to the beach take a handful of sand and pour it slowly to a single point. Now if you flatten the sides you essentially have a pyramid. However pyramids aren't going to be built today as office blocks as it isn't an efficient use of space.

If you want to see engineering way in advance of anything the Egyptians could do just visit any reasonable sized city. Find the tallest building and marvel at how aliens must have told us all about civil engineering.

Cheers
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Or maybe the Golden Gate Bridge? Or the Sydney Opera House?
(Enginelessjohn, I love your signature. I'm going to save it for my daughter, a newly minted envionmental/civil engineer.)

That's kinda a folk-tale. It isn't true. I've seen specials on the History Channel and such where they have a tough time with it, but they don't really take into consideration the labor situation at the time. If building a pyramid required stacking the dead bodies of the slaves to lift the rocks, they would have done it. They also started building the pyramid for a pharoh as soon as he was born - it did take decades to build one. Yeah, I always find that funny.

People also marvel at how level the bases are: piece of cake though - dig a trench and fill it with water.

And let's not forget the great pyramid in Memphis either.

here are some pretty pictures of the Luxor Pyramid in Las Vegas.

Neat looking structure.

http://campross.crosswinds.net/Vegas/Luxor_01.html

the only "aliens" that I would believe helped with the building of the Luxor are the "illegal" type.

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Exactly.... (Congrats to your daughter. I don't remember where I saw the .sig, but it made me laugh and I remembered it.)

Cheers
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While the pyramids were clearly not built by aliens, I still marvel at their construction. In a class on the construction of cities, I learned that since there was no mortar to build the pyramids with, they carved them to fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. It's a tight fit.

Mankind sometimes amazes me with stupidity. But other times, mankind amazes me with intelligence.

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Well speaking as a person who has been to Egypt and written a 10 page research paper on astronomy in ancient Egypt-
There really is no evidence that the pyramids are aligned with the stars. Everyone knows the great pyramids but there are countless other pyramids across that part of Egypt. NONE of those pyramids are aligned as constellations. (I am referring to the "Orion's Belt" thing here.)
As far as the north/ south alignment thing, it is not very difficult to figure out which way is north and the Egyptians did it in countless other places. They were also incredibly good at geometry, particularly triangles, so positioning wouldn't have been a problem.
Then there is of course the matter of records. There are countless records during the time the pyramids were made talking about workers, materials, construction, etc. I've seen them myself.
Plus there are countless other constructions in the area- pyramids for the wives of the kings, tombs for the foremen and laborers, and the village for the laborers. Personally I think the fact that there is a village for the laborers is a good indication laborers were involved, but that's just me.
Oh yea, and there's no alien remnants/ technology. If they were involved they would've left SOMETHING behind, right?

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Not only that, wouldn't the records have mentioned something about them as well? Why keep track of all your laborers and leave out visitations by your gods?

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There was also a TV program within the last few years, on PBS or Discovery, where a team of archeologists used techniques as described by ancient writings to actually cut blocks of stone, move them about, and stack them up, all captured on video. Given lots of slave labor and time, it was well within human technology.

I also find it interesting that the claims of alien architecture are always for things like the pyramids, the Easter Island heads, or Mayan ruins, but not the great cathedrals of Europe or Greek and Roman structures. Yet those projects used similar technologies and as much time (some of the European cathedrals were built over hundreds of years). I don't want to seem too politically correct, but I almost thing there is a little racism here, that those non-European native peoples couldn't do this, though Europeans could.

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Well, because the gods explicitly told you not to mention them.

Yeah, the egyptians had their own MIBs to keep under tight secrecy any alien activity............. [-X

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Which is why the Egyptians made obscure artistic references to the aliens which we have only deciphered 5000 yrs later. :wink:

....plus it's got elevators that travel at a 39-degree angle up the slope of the structure.... And a central atrium of 29 million cubic feet soaring to the apex of the pyramid..... And the world's most powerful beam of light shining from the top of the pyramid - it is visible to planes at cruising altitude 250 miles away in Los Angeles, Calif. Plus....

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i have read that the pyramid bases are aligned (or at least the great one) to within a handful of degrees north and south. i used to think this was difficult to figure out without a compass--something we don't think the egyptians had.

then i had to teach a class in orienteering without a compass, and i discovered it isn't that difficult given a sunny day, a few stones, and a long straight stick.

first you pound the stick into the ground so it's vertical. place a stone at the tip of the shadow. wait a little while. place another stone. wait another 15-20 minutes and place a third stone.

now, connect the first and last stone. draw a line perpindicular to that line.
you now have a compass that is true to within 5 degrees or so depending on your local declination. where i taught the class, some of the students were within three degrees of true (magnetic) north. i checked it with my compass. so can you.

placing the stones several hours apart gives a more accurate reading (best is one just after dawn and one just after sunset), but 15 or twenty minute intervals is long enough to be roughly accurate.

the first stone is west, the last east. then depending on which side of the equator you are on the tip of the shadow is either north or south. a good length of string from there and you have a darn straight square lined up with north and south.

there are other methods using the sun, but i won't go into detail. suffice it to say technology doesn't mean high-tech or fancy. technology is man using the tools available to him to manipulate things and better his life.

on a side note, it wasn't in this class, but there are also excellent ways to lift extremely heavy and clumsy items using simple things like water, logs, rocks, and vines to your advantage. it looks hard, but if you have a few hundred slaves with a handful of simple machines, a lot of work could be done quite easily.

aliens are tantalizing, but certainly not necessary.

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They weren't slaves! The workers who built the pyramids were farmers who worked on the pyramids during the off-season... Hollywood is responsible for that misconception...

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