Hi Folks, my first visit here.

There´s much talk regarding this topic around, for me, it started to get interesting around 21. jan.

Please have a look at this stereo-behind video from 15.-31-jan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOpDexfm8Q

I found those behind pics today because i was searching for a clue what is happening on the farside of the sun, i never saw it so active and anomalous as now.Spots manifesting and disappearing in very short time. Intensive !
(MDI is able to compute a farside magnetogram model)
http://soi.stanford.edu/data/full_farside/

Our magnetosphere got and gets keeping hit by this :
http://www2.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simula...ime/index.html

The first hit caused a Sudden Stratospheric Warming Event which split the polar vortex in half and plunged Europe into deep winter !!!!
http://disc.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/news/A...ary_2009.shtml
http://newxsfc.blogspot.com/2009/01/...c-warming.html

Please keep in mind all this happened without noticeable activity on the earth side of the sun. No coronal holes, no CMEs.

Also I found the following compilation of Stereo Images :
http://abundanthope.net/pages/printer_2657.shtml
it seems to be the same as shown in the video.

I´ve read a story about a newly classified soft gamma ray repeater bombarding us thus causing this event.
But in the light of the stereo-videos ... i don´t know....

My little software here tells me Jupiter is behind the Sun right now.
What do you think ? Could it be ???

Thanks for taking the time to look into !

No, it couldn't be that Jupiter has been ignited. For one thing, it simply doesn't have the mass to begin fusion, much less sustain it.

Also, Jupiter is not "behind the sun" at the moment. That happened around January 25. It's currently near the sun, and possibly barely visible in the morning sky. From our POV, it's near Mars and Mercury right now. If it had ignited, someone would have noticed by now.

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Wow, I just checked. Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter, AND the moon are all going to be together close in front of the sun a week from now, on Feb. 22. Nice.

And just a little further up you will find a comet and Saturn... the word 'infront' is misleading here. A few hours / mins., in front of or 'near optically'. Not in front of. Jupiter is in fact some 5 AU the other side of the sun...West of from Earth. So her distance from us would be 6 plus AU. Not much of an alignment is it?

Welcome, El bloom; No the solar activity you speak of has not plunged Europe into winter... The reason your weather has turned for the worse is a atmospheric phenomenon called 'Winter.' The links you have added are... interesting...
Have a look at SOHO and other Sky map related info... Calm down, All is well. I just checked... and Its fine and Sonny here. Because here its summer.

How do people even begin to think that Jupiter has ignited?!

Don't you remember the panic a few years ago when the Galileo spacecraft was de-orbited? There were people who were convinced it was de-orbited so that the radioactive metal in its radio-thermal generator (I forget whether it was uranium or plutonium) could ignite Jupiter's atmosphere and turn it into a second Sun, because...well I don't think they ever came up with a reason.

wow, you guys are quick with saying "no it isn´t jupiter" !!

but please tell now, what IS IT on the stereo behind video from 15. to 31. jan, what is this fiery object flaring at the sun, if it´s NOT jupiter ?????

when we have an explanation and not just smalltalk i will calm down !!!

What is bombarding our magnetosphere ??

Why is the far side of the sun overreacting ??

Did you really take a look at the MDI farside magnetogram ??

thanks ^^

easy, look at the stereo behind images you did not take time to look at it. What is passing from left to right, what is it ????????

edit:
http://www.scienceblogs.de/weatherlo...bruar-2009.php
SSWE splits polar vortex in half, freezes europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_...pheric_warming

inform yourselves before making yourself look silly

Well, some of the stuff in that video look like reflections of sunlight in the camera. Do you have any contextual information on the images? Do you have links to the original source?

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I think the originals are from here :
http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/browse/2009/01/23/behind_20090123_hi1_512.mpg

the time frame in question is 12.1.09 - 31.1.09

reflections... hmmmmmmmm

We're pretty quick to point out that an "ignited Jupiter" doesn't make sense physically, and there's no evidence for it.

Same old stuff. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_wind


I looked at what was on that page, including some older maps. I saw older examples of the same sort of thing.

I'm not seeing any reason to be surprised or impressed.

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a moderator has to approve my URL in the post, it´s straight from nasa stereo homepage. let´s see how long it takes

And i know what solar wind is and that it impacts on our magnetosphere and creates a bowshock.
The problem is we had no active region to reason the wind speed climb over 600km/s or the density peak at maximum 40p/cc like you can see here : http://pc-not.de/plasmadens_peak_02_09.JPG !

For the plasma density to peak at maximum like in the link above something drastic has to happen on the earth side of the sun !!!!

Also i would like you to show me the farside-magnetogram you say you found in the past indicating this is normal activity, thanks.

edit: i would encourage you to watch a movie of the magnetosphere from the 4.feb. as the sun was spotless that day and the days before : http://www3.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simula...6.20090204.avi

it is beyond my imagination this activity comes from a spotless suns surface, and from the far-side it did not hit us.

Welcome to BAUT, el_bloom, we try to inform ourselves. We can all look pretty silly in hindsight.

Those are some interesting topics that you have linked, but be respectful of others in trying to find the answers to your questions.

The sun isn't over-reacting... or even acting up any... not towards us anyway, as I've had some of the farthest, clearest transmissions coming in just over my CB. Yesterday I had people 20+ miles away coming in crystal clear, when generally they are rather fuzzy. That alone tells me the sun isn't acting up.

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Hi Ryan !
You misunderstoood me I think, with "over-reacting" I meant the far-side of the sun. The far-side should not interfere with your hobby, the earth-faced side does.

Thank you hhEb for correcting my url and giving me a warm welcome, i´ll not be disrespectful, sry for my little comment about sillyness

True, however http://www.solarmonitor.org/ doesn't have much "Summary: Activity Level -- VERY LOW -- no flares in past two days"

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Yes Ryan, but the far-side has MUCH activity, my guess it´s related to this passing flaring "object", look here for far-side activity :
http://soi.stanford.edu/data/full_farside/

Well, it is not, at least not ignited

I guess what you mean is the "loop of light" when the planet reaches the side of the viewing field. This is just a very interesting case of either a lense flare or diffraction of the light on the boundary of the viewer.

The solar wind?

Dunno what you are getting at here. When I run the "movie" for 15 - 30 January, I see some magnetic spots (I guess they are) appearing and disappearing, so what? You should run the movie up to 15 February, then you will see that the little spots you saw in January are nothing.

Interestingly, it seems to show us that magnetic activity is starting to return to the sun (I think) which would be a good thing, finally starting the new cycle.

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And from which coronal hole would you say this strong solar wind should come ?

About what "movie" are you talking ?
The "movie" on the stanford-farside-webpage is compiled automatically for the last 10 days.
The intensity fired up after a LONG time of absolute rest on exactly the 4th of feb., http://soi.stanford.edu/data/full_fa...rots/2078.html 6 days after the "flare" happened on stereo-behind-images. coincidently ?? don´t think so.

I don't know, I'm not an expert an interpreting STEREO images. Are you?

But I'm not going to say "OMG, Jupiter has ignited!!" whenever I see something I don't understand.

Although there are no sunspots, that does not mean that the sun is just sitting there doing nothing. Just go to the SOHO website, and look at the pics of the Sun. There are holes, just look at the green.

If you would have looked a little further on that page you would have found out that you can make your own movies, for much longer times. Not just the "last 10 days" movie. I will let you find for yourself where you can do that on that page, should not be too difficult to find. Why don't you let the movie run from say 1 december to "the day before yesterday" (which is the last day you can choose) and then see if those little blips that you saw are significant or not. Look on the link that you give above and go to 2009.02.04, now THAT is what I call activity.

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yes mister, but not big enough to reason plasma density peaking at maximum. All spaceweather sites agree that Solar activity will continue at very low levels.

Thanks for agreeing with me, before 2009.02.04 it was quiet for a very long time
In fact you failed to present me that active period you said would match that following 2009.02.04 ! (i have to apologize, I realize now it was Van Rijn finding that active period before 2009, sorry. I found out 2007/02/02 was comparable, it´s in the MDI far-side-archives)

Btw. I don´t think the mainstream media would have an explanation for the massive activity on the suns farside after the object on stereo-behind flared.
It seems to be difficult

at the moment the solar wind is at 450 km/s with a 4 cc density (spaceweather.com) and looking at the ACE SWEPAM data for January, there is nothing spectacular around January 15 as you can see for yourself. The only increased density of the solar wind is 25 - 26 January. However, the densities are nowhere near the 40/cc that you mentioned. And by the way, that number that you got was for a geostationary satellite (i.e. 36000 km or 6.6 Earth radii, which never even gets into the solar wind) I just noticed that. And I don't know where you got the 600 km/s solar wind velocity according to ACE the SW does not get over 430 km/s. Looking deeper and deeper into your claims they dissolve like snow in the sun.

I did not agree with you, you talked about 15-30 January, I say that real acitivity starts at 4 February. You are willfully twisting my words, and I don't like that.

You can find that plot for yourself el_bloom! go to the page you linked yourself and scroll down. But to oblige you here is the pic for 14 Feb (or maybe 15 if you look tomorrow).
And yes it was rather quiet, so all your comments can be discarded, about the backside of the sun acting up, there was no acting up.

there was no massive activity! have you been reading what we have written here and looked at the pics that show no enhanced activity whatsoever?

Even you yourself claim in this mail: before 2009.02.04 it was quiet for a very long time

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Wind @ 600 ? please : http://www3.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simula...6.20090214.avi

Density at peak 40p/cc ? please : http://pc-not.de/plasmadens_peak_02_09.JPG
All happened in feb. 2009.
Also you can bet ACE-sat used for computing NICT magnetosphere images IS in the stream of the solar wind. It would make no sense otherwise, would it ? Here is a quote from their site :
The real-time magnetosphere simulation is carried out using the MHD code developed by Prof. Tanaka. Input parameters are taken from the real-time solar wind and interplanetary magnetic field data observed routinely by the ACE satellite.

You misunderstood my original post, I said solar far-side activity started up after the flaring of the "object" on nasa stereo-behind on 25-31.jan with 5-10 days delay. For me the correlation is pretty clear.

Ther was (from the 4th of feb.) and IS massive activity on the far-side of the sun, every one can see it nowadays : http://soi.stanford.edu/data/full_farside/
and it all started with the "object" brightening up behind the sun.

A question for you, Tusenfem. You said there was no massive activity!, now, what hit Earths magnetosphere here ?http://www3.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simula...6.20090204.avi
or here ? http://www3.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simula...6.20090214.avi

I offered an explanation, did you offer any ? cheers.

There must be nicer ways of saying this...

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it would also be nice to read the information given before ruling something out like an above poster.

There´s clearly a connection between the jan.22 SSWE polar vortex split in half
and this (likely) strongest impact on our magnetosphere you have ever seen : Video-NICT
I already apologized, you know english is not my primary language, maybe you take that into account before judging me.

cheers.

But that's your own notion, based on your own interpretation of the data, isn't it? I don't see anything from your meteorology or NASA links that supports your idea. I see articles about a weather event, not a "connection." You're the one attempting to make a connection.

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See here:

http://soi.stanford.edu/data/full_fa...rots/1970.html

and scroll down. You'll see examples of the same type of activity that seems to concern you.

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WB Van !
I´m still waiting for the far-side data you found indicating all is normal (i see there it is, thank you ! Wow ok I have to admit this sort of thing happened in the past !!! amazing ! on 02/02/2007 it happened, too)

Btw. in weather models it´s all about jet streams, which are influenced indirectly by the magnetosphere which lowers or heightens or cools or warms atmospheric zones which in turn creates atmospheric conditions.

This is why I see the link, it´s not just my speculation if you try to imply that.