Many of us have a view of The Earth, and how objects interact with it. And we likely rationalise night and day, and the four seasons of the year, by "seeing" the Earth spinning on its axis once a day, and orbiting the sun once a year.

But when we observe objects plummeting directly to Earth, we rationalise that by seeing the Earth as being still. (How else would they fall directly to Earth?) Could it be that one of these perceptions is flawed?

If you'd like to challenge the perception you probably hold about the Earth, you can get a free copy of "The Earth - how do you see yours?" by clicking the following link, link removed

Bigearth, welcome to the board and please take a look at the rules of this board, especially about the how and what in ATM.


Okay, now as a "normal person". I hate to break it to you, but your perception is wrong. If you let something fall from a stationary location (i.e. not rotating with the Earth) then it will not just drop down straight, the Earth will rotate underneath it and it will fall westward.

The same holds if you let something fall from geostationary, off-equatorial. Then the well known coriolis force will also act on the object.

Naturally for small distances from the Earth, and in a geostationary location, letting something fall down, it will have the same angular velocity as the Earth and is thus "co-moving".

__________________

Any comments in glorious red are to be considered in ModeratorMode.


善數, 不用籌策 (shàn shù, bù yòng chóu cè)
He who is good at counting, uses no counting tools
“A good scientist has freed himself of concepts and keeps his mind open to what is”
道德經, 二十七 (dào dé jīng, 27)

Didn't Newton say something like "the Earth also falls towards the apple"?

__________________

No thanks.

Yeah. No.

So, you're really selling something, and the freebie is the come-on?

__________________
0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 ...

Aren't you forgetting that everything on the surface of the earth shares the same angular velocity as the surface of the earth itself? Else everything would be sliding all over the place.

__________________
Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

Welcome to BAUT Bigearth!

As tusenfem says, one of the perceptions is flawed--but it is "we observe objects plummeting directly to Earth." If you were to drop a dart from 2km above a target (as you do in your thought experiment at that website), the dart would not fall directly to the center of the target. The amount it misses is because of the rotation of the Earth, which we usually call the coriolis effect. The same thing causes wind and weather effects. There is no need to assume that everything moves with the Earth as if it were a solid, because it does not.

I often wonder what the world would be like if the people that try to disprove various well known and understood concepts would actually learn what the concepts actually are and how their "experiments" results would actually fit the accepted theory and not their twisted idea that most often is not even self consistent.

Its like watching videos of people claiming they have an idea of a perpetual motion machine using magnets and not seeing that the little bit of "free" energy their machine gives off was just the initial energy they introduced into the system by holding the opposite poles of 2 magnets near each other.

Until you understand a theory fully it is very unlikely that you will come up with a new theory to overthrow it.

Keep on thinking!!

__________________
Reality moves at the speed of light.
If the text of this post is blue, it's a "Moderator comment".
[ The RULES of the Forum ] [ Forum FAQs ] [ Conspiracy Theory advice ] [ Alternate Theory Advice ]
To report a post (even this one) to the moderation team - use the /!\ icon at the top-right of the post.

Thanks for the guidance pzkpfw, I'm quite new to this!!

I'm not really here to advertise, I'm simply trying to point out that it's our perception of the things we actually view with our eyes that gives us our truth, not necessarily the things we "learn" to be our truth.

We all have an understanding of how things move around the Earth, typically either Gallilean, Newtonian or Einsteinian. Whichever way we look at it, none absolutely explain everything - they all miss at least a little something.

And whether it's the abuse of the "work done" function, or the weirdness of warped time /space that actually weakens the closer we get to the Earth, both ways are not perfect - which is why scientists seek the graviton and other improbable entities to make sense of their theory.

I ask you to take a look at life and see the beautiful simplicity that exists everywhere else, and ask yourself why we have to be so special ; why our planet has to be so fundamentally different?

For sure, Gallileo, Newton and Einstein made something that seemed incomprehensible, comprehensible, but none are perfect. Surely when we start talking Quantum mechanics our thinking should become similarly flexible?

With a great deal of respect, please look at what I say as a possibility; try to see it as at least a possibility, rather than judging it from a Newtonian or Einsteinian perspective. In effect, don't tell me why it isn't, but try to see it why it could be!!

and there is a lot more to come ...

Yeah, but you're arguing about a miniscule amount!!

And perhaps it does?? but the other way round??

Hi Bigearth, thanks for coming back to continue.

You note that there is a "lot more to come". I hope so, as you have not yet presented your idea here, only a long plea that it be considered. You can be sure that it will be... once it is posted...

What is your idea? What do you want to tell us?

[I will comment that I agree that there is a "beautiful" simplicity about everything - but actually that's exactly why I don't see anything "special" about us or anything all that "different" about our Planet.]

__________________
Reality moves at the speed of light.
If the text of this post is blue, it's a "Moderator comment".
[ The RULES of the Forum ] [ Forum FAQs ] [ Conspiracy Theory advice ] [ Alternate Theory Advice ]
To report a post (even this one) to the moderation team - use the /!\ icon at the top-right of the post.

Please see my reply to pzkpfw (why can't you have a normal name?)

Give us a chance!!

Please try to think about what I already say - and NO, the next bit will be free!! Give me an email address and a promise that you won't forward it to anyone else (at the moment) and I'll send it to you?

That's a fair request.


To be honest, you've said very little. Cryptic little four word posts are not the way to have a discussion.


No. I don't want anything emailed to me. You've created a thread, here, in a discussion forum. Let's discuss your idea.

__________________
Reality moves at the speed of light.
If the text of this post is blue, it's a "Moderator comment".
[ The RULES of the Forum ] [ Forum FAQs ] [ Conspiracy Theory advice ] [ Alternate Theory Advice ]
To report a post (even this one) to the moderation team - use the /!\ icon at the top-right of the post.

I'm a wee bit confused, first you say it's a fair request, then you say I've said very little, then you say you don't want anything emailed to you!!

HELP!!

I'm not prepared to let my intellectual property be viewed by all and sundry at this particular moment in time. By all means send me an email via the website, with a guarantee that you won't forward it on to anyone else, and I'll be more than happy to do so.

It will explain a lot,

... and there's a lot more to come!!

Roddy

OK, I will lock this thread until you are ready to participate. When you are ready please PM me or another moderator to have the thread unlocked.

(that's what I meant by "fair request" - it is perfectly valid to say something like "hey, I need a few days to gather my answers".)


Then you still miss the point of BAUT.

This is a discussion forum. It is for you to post your idea, and then we'll talk about it.

It is not for you to find "secretive" ways to send your ideas to select individuals.

__________________
Reality moves at the speed of light.
If the text of this post is blue, it's a "Moderator comment".
[ The RULES of the Forum ] [ Forum FAQs ] [ Conspiracy Theory advice ] [ Alternate Theory Advice ]
To report a post (even this one) to the moderation team - use the /!\ icon at the top-right of the post.