Wrong. The idea that the "gods" came to planet earth has been around long before "the net." Must I point out that the Sumerians, 6000years ago, called them Anunnaki - literally - those from Heaven to Earth came? And I'll remind you that the Sumerians were "cultic" in considering the planets as gods - they had 12. The very number on which your astrological charts is based! Their sexigesimal system is the reason for having divided the heavens into 12 30degree segments. They gave us the 360degrees, 60min, 60sec, 2 twelve hour half days... the very methods for Time Reckoning AND Astronomy AND Astrology we use today! And where did the Sumerians learn all this? They called them Anunnaki.

Curious, I thought that is what I'm doing here. Aren't you a "proper Priestess of some well known polytheistic religion?" :-?

Indifference? We're scientists, if not professionally then at least by worldview. To consider a concept, we require evidence that the concept helps explain reality, i.e., that there is experimental or observational evidence that the concept is valid or useful. I did not see you supplying any.


All right, found the article (it's at http://www.drgnslfthnd.org/hekate.html if anyone else wants to have a look), and here are some comments following a couple of snippets:

it is impossible for the non-material to construct something material.

Why?

if the concept "Man" exists there are infinite men

So if the concept "unicorn" exists there are infinite unicorns, and if the concept "Mars rover" exists, there are an infinite number of Mars rovers?

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If the concept exists as dung might we also say it exists as infinite dung?

Now that's an interesting philosophical point......

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I think it stinks!

I'm glad you made your point sewer rather than latrine.

Party Poopers......

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According to Hekate,
To make a play, the author cannot be one of the actors, apparently.


Actually, the whole page seems to be rather more an attack on monotheists than one on scientists, or even atheists, and so not hugely relevant here I'd have thought.

So it seems that in order for Hekate to construct a definition of astrology (acting as the role of technitian), she cannot be part of astrology. So the planets don't affect her, just the rest of us. I get it now, that's why we don't understand. We have never constructed a definition of astrology, so we cannot understand it, but because we have never constructed a definition of astrology we can be a part of it. We're the astrology ingredients and Hekate is the cook. Ahh, Hekate has proved that the planets do affect our lives. Remarkable!

Well this just opens a whole new opportunity for criminal defense lawyers:

"My client was not responsible for embezzling 2 billion dollars from his company. Jupiter made him do it."

Looks like Hekate has given up on us slow-witted mortals and gone off to more gullible pastures. Does anyone have a clue what she thinks astrology is or what it's good for? Sounds like she's claiming to have made accurate predictions (oracles) in the past. I guess that if she really wanted to convince us, she could just make accurate (and very specific) predicitons a few times as evidence. Then I'd be interested.

Actually, back near the beginning of the thread she was very hard on any suggestion that real (i.e. her particular brand of) astrology doesn't have anything to do with that divination nonsense.

I can't find the exact quote right now in all the mess, but it was something about not making predictions per se, but describing the significance of events. Because, I fear, the "significance" of me typing an incorrect password three times is that Jupiter is in a particular position, not that I'll have to get Systems to reset it for me.

This might shed some light on what Hekate meant:

When I posted a definition of Astrology by Alan Leo, Hekate replied that Leo was a fraud

I just found this About this Alan Leo:
Not that it changes my opinion of Astrology in one bit....

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Gethen: it seems that she takes astrology to be more of a religion and a way of life than anything thast could predict something. From her continual bashing of christianity (does she realize that many people here are not christians?) she looks the be trying to validate her theory be making it the only other obvious choice.

I agree, Humphrey. The Hellenic astrology seems to be lifestyle, religion and science all rolled into one. Not that that is a bad thing, but certainly not my cup of tea (I prefer keeping things in their own disorginized piles).

[Edit: Hellenistic to Hellenic]

Could be. When you think about it, that superior "I have the knowledge that no one else has" and the "If you lowly mortals could only see the light" attitude does remind me of certain religious fundamentalists I know. Same attitude, different religion. Maybe that's why her approach instantly irritated me. I will confess to immediately being disgusted with her attitude. Dgruss23 felt it from the first as well, if I'm not mistaken.

Just a nitpick, Hellenic and Hellenistic are different, non-intercahgeable words.

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My error, then.

You're definitely not mistaken. I asked her to provide us with her definition and she insisted on continuing the games. At that point I found it hard to take either of her threads seriously - but they've provided good opportunities (or bad as the case may be ) for punnery exchanges with Archer17 and others.