Pavel Smutny
Speed of north magnetic pole had changed during last years 4 times opposite last 20 years changes. If such ratio of changes will continue, so north magnetic pole in 2050 would be in Russia.
This is acording measurements and reports of Australian (in 2000) and after it French-Canadian scientif. expeditions.
What, if not strong magnetic field of X can it cause?
What could be so powerfull?



Nemesis, not only Planet X (Nibiru) is involved in my model of our Solar system. Orbital path of Nemesis is approximately perpendicular on path of X. Shifts in paths of outdoor planets (changes of eccentricities, their increases caused by presence of X) in direction of main half axis of X are so compensated by influence of Nemesis, which causes shifts in direction perpendicular on main half axis of X's orbit. Both paths (X's and Nemesis') somehow rotate, or change their orientation during time, so result is elimination of influences on our planets….

Look on model from my webs:

http://www.mujweb.cz/kultura/planetx/

http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/gothic

http://www.mujweb.cz/veda/senmut/



I think, that physical discovery of Planet X is maybe main work, which should be done by modern astronomy.

If we know less about our, or about other galaxies, or even about origin of universe, planets, nothing important can it cause, during next some thousands years.

But if we don't know what happen during next arrival of X to perihelia, and when it happen, so it can cause very probably end of our civilization and new stone age, if enough people will survive. After it spirits of present people will wait next maybe 12000 years for the same conditions for technically, spiritually developed life, if such opportunity will be given to mankind. Who knows?!

This is not joke.

Similar things probably happened before 11500 years.

History of that time was changed during ages on stories, stories became legends and legends became myths.

History is also written in ice and in sediments.

Shift of pole (circa 15 degrees), 1500 years long last ice age (9500-11000 B.C.) and after it melting of icebergs, global warming are big enough proofs.

There are enough written proofs (Sumerian legends, written stories, Egyptian, Greek, Chinese historical writings…) too.

look at:

http://www.mujweb.cz/veda/senmut/



Will we ignore that all, or try we have influence on our destiny, on mankind cycles?

Only common effort of whole mankind maybe can save people.

Secret projects can save small groups, if,…

Such savings of only some millions people will cause after some generations new stone age…

Our history, culture after short, or longer time could turn to myths too.?!



Pavel Smutny

Look on influence of Jupiter on Earth's orbit.

Examle:

If Jupiter was 25 times more massive, so influence on Earth's orbit was shift of centre of gravity (in system Jupiter-Sun) less than 20 millions km, but Earth is 5 times closer to Sun, so only 4 millions km can be shift of Sun toward Earth. Jupiter makes half orbit during 6 earth's years, so only 1/6 of mentioned shift is not compensated (for Earth), what makes less than 1 million km, what represent deviation of Earth's orbit smaller than 1 degree!!!



If X is on extreme elliptical orbit around Sun (period circa 1600 years, perihelia circa 1AU), so X is close (in comparable distance how Sun is) to big planets only some years, though orbits times of distant planets are many tens years. Mass of X is 1/40 of Sun's, so gravitational force of X is 1/40 of Sun's during that time too.

Shift of Sun (opposite common centre of gravity) toward Planet X (in binary system Planet X-Sun) and toward more distant planets is 1 billion km, but after short time there is the same shift in opposite direction (it takes some years), so it makes only waves on orbits of distant planets.



X is approximately as close as Sun to Earth some months (area in perihelia), so shift of position of Earth toward Sun is less than 1/3 from 1/40 from 150 millions km. Deformation of Earth's orbit so can be maximal till 3 degrees (from 360).

During next 1600 years can be this deformation easy extinguished.



Orbit of X is not in Ecliptic plane!



Planet X is in area among planets only tens years from 1600.



Eccentricities of elliptical motions of planets go down to circular motions quickly during some hundreds orbits, because centers of gravities in systems (planet-Sun) are shifted by other planets so, that only circular motions are allowed. Sun is not allowed to make opposite motion to appropriate planet in every system (planet-Sun).

Look on rings around Saturn, Neptune, Jupiter….

If rings weren’t stabilized (orbits of their bodies) in short time after their origin, so they don't exist.



How big was change of Mars' orbit due to more months lasting presence of Earth in 50 millions km distance in this year?

Is Mars on much more elliptical orbit now????!!!!





Pioneer Spacecraft Slowing

Extract from web page, data and pictures from

Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA,
and the Los Alamos National Laboratory

and after it my explanation

…On September 24, 1998 a team of planetary scientists and physicists at Los Alamos identified a tiny, unexplained sunward acceleration in the motions of the Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, and Ulysses spacecraft. The anomalous acceleration, about 10 billion times smaller than the acceleration we feel from Earth's gravitational pull, was identified after detailed analyses of radio data from the spacecraft.

…But they had to revise that theory when they realized that a mysterious force was acting in an identical manner on Pioneer 11, which was on the other side of the system. "It's the same magnitude and the same direction, namely pointed toward the sun. The force points to the sun in both cases."

What is "the mysterious force" influencing Pioneers 10 and 11?

When this mysterious force is working on both Pioneers in the same magnitude and the same directions, namely pointed toward Sun, so it means, that source of that force must be much closer to Sun, then were Pioneers during measurements and investigations before 1998.

In that time they were circa 10 till 20 billions km from Sun. If source of mysterious force - gravity was much closer to Sun than our Pioneers (for example 3 billions km), so mysterious force influencing motions of Pioneers must be really in the same magnitude and the same direction, pointed toward Sun.

Scientists from here above mentioned labs said, that force was 10 billions times smaller, than the acceleration we feel from Earth's gravitational pull.

Here is simple calculation for how big is that mysterious gravity pull, if source was approximately 15 billion km from Pioneers 10, 11.

I have compared gravity on Earth surface with gravity of 25 more massive body than Jupiter in 15 billion km distance from it (X).

=10.



FZ /FX= (χ MZ RX RX )/(χ MX RZ RZ)=10/10000000000



FZ is gravitational force on Earth's surface (in distance RZ, which is 6378 km from Earth's center).

FX is gravitational force of X in distance RX, what is 15 billions km from Planet X, placed circa 3 billions km next to Sun.

MZ and MX are masses of Earth and of Planet X, χ is gravitational constant.

We have here not anomaly of gravity, but real source of gravity, what very probably is planet X, which is arriving to its perihelia and during investigations of Pioneers 10 and 11 was less than 4 billions km from Sun!!!

Now, after 5 years since last mentioned measurements, X should be in distance less than 3 billions km, what is circa 10 years to nearest approach to us.

RNDr. Pavel Smutny



I tried to think about deviation of Sun's paralaxa-offset, caused by potential arrival of Planet X to its perihelium.

If X is in distance (assumption) 2,4 billions km from Sun (3 times farther than Jupiter), so difference of gravitational affects from X on Sun and on Earth (when X is approximately 25 times mass of Jupiter) can cause deviation of Sun's paralaxa (result of X's presence), which should be on level of deviation, which is caused to Sun by Jupiter d/(l.l.l), what is similar how it is at tidal forces.

It should be mean shift of Sun (due to shift of centre of gravity in system Jupiter-Sun) circa till 0,5 millions km opposite to calculated values.

Because Earth is 5 times closer to Sun than Jupiter, so Earth makes with Sun opposite motion to Jupiter too, and so only 1/3 of Sun's motion toward Jupiter is not on place of Earth compensated (0,2 million km).

On sky for distance Earth - Sun 150 millions km is shift 0,2 million km is 1/5000 from circle and so for 24 hours long day it makes about 20 second time shift.

During Sun's eclipses it should cause shift of calculated times from some seconds till some minutes.

What are exact calculated times of eclipses from charts...?

deviations of Sun's paralaxa..

How exact are these values



Aren't additionally inserted (in last years quite often) seconds for last years results of X presence?



Calculations for Sun's eclipses of so-called advanced astronomy not familiar Central American indians are different from present calculations around half minute....





Why Kuiper Belt has got sharp edge somewhere near to 20 billions km from Sun?



It is because Planet X

(with extreme elliptic path, periodicity around 1600 years), when (X) is passing Kuiper Belt every 1600 years

causes, that the same places in Kuiper Belt with circular orbits (circular orbits with period times 1600 years, which are according Keplers Laws in distance approximately 20 billions km) are periodically sucked out from this belt

(X is periodically in resonance with those objects) and they are forced to live Kuiper Belt.

Other objects outside resonance area in Kuiper Belt are forced to live their positions only seldom, so they have enough time for stabilization of their circular orbits inside of Kuiper Belt.

….

According Senmut map (Chinese funeral flag, my oriental carpet too) are deviations of X in direction perpendicular to main and to side half axes of X's path approx. 2 billions km per one X' orbit. It makes 32 billions km per Earth's precession time period (circle with radius 5 billions km ), what is like result from carpet calculations...!





It is very possible to assess (from Senmut map) also parametres of Nemesis mass, orbit...not only Nibiru's path...





When you look at Gothic windows in cathedrals, so there is also time parameter for Planet X (Jesus' geneaological tree from king David to Jesus, what is 1000 years, 2/3 of path of X-length of appropriate window).

Windows in main nave of cathedral make also something like precession cycle.....



http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/gothic



http://www.mujweb.cz/kultura/planetx/



http://www.mujweb.cz/veda/senmut/



Looking forward to hearing from you, I am interested in your opinions, proposal for cooperation, team work...



Pavel Smutny

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senmut

:-? You are not being serious, are you?

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Never stop questioning.

http://www.circlemakers.org

Planet X AND Nemesis? :roll:

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Anyone have the URL to that one rebuttal regarding the slowing of Pioneer 10 & 11?

Wait, actually, I do:

http://renshaw.teleinc.com/papers/pionee2/pionee2.stm

I can't remember the thread, but this got discussed on the board a while back, and was considered a reasonable explanation. Certainly moreso than Planet X and Nemesis, of which there's no evidence of the former's existence, and nearly none for Nemesis.

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Quantumfoamy.com, my astronomy/astrophotography blog.

I would dearly love to be my loving, concerned, scientific, uncensored and blunt self here, but such language would result in our own BA having heart palpitations and banning me until Planet X really did show up...so I will restrain myself.

Pavel, old sock, a question. Just one question. A teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenytiny little question...

WHERE THE BLOODY BLUE BLAZES ARE THESE MYSTERY PLANETS?

Show them to us. RA and Dec, please. House of the zodiac. Conjunction with a named star. Something. Anything.

I have access to observational instruments ranging from tiny monoculars to backyard instruments to observatory instruments, sizes all the way from 21mm to 500mm aperture, eyeball and video and CCD imaging.

Where is PX? Where is Nemesis?

Nowhere, because they don't exist.

All the ancient wisdom, the tomb paintings, the myths...why do people make this so difficult? All they have to do is go outside and look up...

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Charlie in Dayton, A.AsC.

Now that would be too empirical Charlie, next thing you know you will be asking them to USE Occam's Razor..

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Well I'll tell you where it is, silly. It is on the OTHER side of the globe of course, that's why you cannot see it with your fancy instruments. Try using webcams, they tell you everything you need to know about astronomy. :roll:

HAAAHAAAHAAAAAAA

OMG that's one of the best lines I've read in a while. =D>

For Charlie from Dayton and for BoredHugeKrill, SirThoreth...

Dear Charlie, please focus your Telescope circa 12 degree above actual position of Uranus, plus minus 20 degree East, West. There are places where Planet X could be for 25 percents... If X is but dark small star (from some sort of dark matter..) only with big infrared telescope could be possible to find it. Ask some of your well known observatories for help. I tried to contact some, but they don't want cooperate. Maybe X was found, but because its small dimensions it is regarded for asteroid,...?!
Don' try to discredit humans history. You are from 200 hundreed years old nation, but there are observations, records which are thousands years old.
People had seen on sky objects, which are now billions km away. Records of such observations but were done by artists, scientiests other way, than now it is common. After many replications some motives were litle changed or complemented with decorative ornaments, but historical significance exists till now.
If you do'nt believe on crop circles, so read Tulis description of UFO from circa 1450 BC (reign of Tutmose 3th in Egypt), or some works of Julius Obsequinus, from 400 AD, where are many descriptions of contacts with extraterestrial objects too similar to present observations.
Why do you think, that oriental carpet can't be source of important information?
Have you seen gobelin (ta****erie) where wife of William Conqueror depicted battle at Hastings in 1066 with painted Halley comet, what is important proof for existance of regular orbital time of this comet? Carpets in ost countries, Russia are usually on walls like gobelins not on floors, because their historical value.
Visit me, I can show you more details, proofs from my "flying carpet" (can I so name my astronomical carpet?) but also other important proofs for X, we can discuss about it more...
Belt of asteroids (between Mars and Jupiter) small planets are on places, where probably was planet, or wasn't completly formed, it fits with Titus/Bode law.
Please describe what is wrong (if) on my validation for existance, reasons why planets are so arranged.
My model is physicaly and matematicaly correct. If it is not so, tell me exactly what is wrong.

Pavel Smutny

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Please, see this web, where are correct math formulas for article about Planet X and Titus-Bode law, on forum is possible to see texts without math editor
http://www.mujweb.cz/spolecnost/bode
and other my webs tied with X (Nibiru, Nemesis)
http://www.mujweb.cz/společnost/gothic
http://www.mujweb.cz/kultura/planetx/

http://www.mujweb.cz/veda/senmut/

http://mujweb.cz/Veda/narmer

other my webs about very ancient history are these
http://mujweb.cz/Veda/mikrovlna
http://mujweb.cz/Veda/akustika
http://mujweb.cz/Veda/thowt
Pavel Smutny

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resenmut: I don't think double-posting on two different threads is going to make your theories any more viable and the folly of using rugs and church spires has already been addressed. This hypothesis is up there with reading tea-leaves. In that I don't even think Nancy Leider would believe you, why do you think we would?

Are you sure? I thought the more text that was written the more true the text is. Especially if you throw in some obscure references to ancient text, a bunch of math that doesn’t prove anything and for good measure reference a few supposed ‘experts’. :-k #-o [-X :^o :P 8)
Whatever you do, just dont try to confuse me with the facts because that's what the govenerment disinfo people do, (not to mention that evil BA guy)!

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I must not PX. PX is the mind-killer. I will face my PX. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the PX has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

Wasn't PX suppousedly an object that was 11 times the size of the Earth? Hardly an asteroid.....

[Editted to put the right size of PX, I originally had the impression that PX was 4 times the size of the earth]

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You know, you'd be far more believable if you USED GRAMMAR AND COMMON SENSE. It might make your ideas a bit less... vague and nebulous?

Just a thought.

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No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?

Maybe PX is a midget...Or the Zetas are just REALLY REALLY tiny!

While I disagree with most of what the OP is saying, this sort of post is not needed, and skirts the ad hominem. Also, note the websites to which he links are in the cz domain, which is Czechoslovakia.

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The Bad Astronomer
http://www.badastronomy.com
badastro@badastronomy.com

New image of PX impacting another object! :P :^o
PS: that's my 2 cents worth, or 1 cent anyway. :wink:

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I must not PX. PX is the mind-killer. I will face my PX. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the PX has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

For BoredHugeKrill,
I had bought my carpet in 1988, or plus minus one year...You can verify it. There are depicted (on this carpet) also telecomunication satellites on geostationary orbits. First such satellites were over there in end of 70s, beginning of 80s years. Motives on my carpet are so complicated, that patterns for production were created (first circa in 1985) according older model. There is system of windows on this carpet, where those windows are so put one next to other, that it wasn't possible to mix them with new one windows. The most of windows from my carpet I had found (with small decorative changes...) on other very old carpets, in gothic, orthodox, islamic architecture...

for Zapp Brannigan,
you are partly right. If you use circles (is it dendrology?...) from wood of very old tree (redwood...), so you can find if particular years were cold or dry...
Try to do it and tell me what happened before thousands years.There exist trees 6000 years old. Maybe Zapp's floor is made from such wood too.
For Tusenfem,
Excuse me , I had done mistake, because Jupiter is number 4, number 3 is belt of asteroids between Jupiter and Mars.
For Cab970
Maybe 2005, 2006 were thought for begining points of process which would culminate in around 2012.
I can't but tell it exactly. When even crews of big telescopes, state observatories don't know enything...
There isn't also quite clear for me how big is magnetic force of X, which can be near to us quite important too and it can be some source of mistakes in my calculations for X's path, orbital time...
Maybe changes in orbits of Neptune moon Nereida from 1990es, or detailed observations of Uranus' moon Oberon, or paths of some other distant moons of Uranus... in these years can tell us more. It is possible to assess from such data where X is, how massive X is...., if is my assumption right. Thanks for your support.
Astronomers like Jewitt, Brown, Trujillo, Luu... who have access to biggest telescopes and can tell more don't answer on my questions..., why?!
Probably they don't want lie.

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I am assuming that reasoning similar to what you have posted here was included in your questions to the afore mentioned astronomers (Jewitt, Brown, Trujillo, Luu)?

If so, the answer to why they have not responded is....They are ignoring you.

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Everything I need to know I learned through Googling.

...oh my...oh my oh my oh my...break out the cutlery, Martha, it's time to do some fancy carving...I should get a degree in forensic pathology with the dissection I'm about to do here...

The Planet Uranus moves. So the location you 'specify' is going to be moving also, unless you're suggesting that Planet X is tracking Uranus.

12 degrees above a moving position, plus or minus 20 degrees east or west. That's a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig chunk of sky you've delineated there. How about being a bit more specific?

Could be? Could be here, could be there, could be somewhere else...be specific, Pavel. WHERE IS IT?


If, if, if, if...if my aunt had certain characteristics of gender, she'd be my uncle. If it's a dark star, how can it be shining with the light Nancy Lieder claims currently? And if only a big infrared telescope can find it, how are all these people taking pictures of it with webcams? If there are all these variables as to location and composition, why are you spouting about what and where it is in your original post? Either you know what it is and where it is, or you don't.

I have a flash for you, Pavel. I am a volunteer at a local observatory, and have qualified as an operator of a 20" reflector telescope. I have been working there as a volunteer for over two years now. The same organization runs a second dark sky observatory, with permanent installations of 12" imaging and 12" visual observing telescopes. I have been working with members of the group, and they agreed to help me in my examination of claims of Planet X. The people I work with range from the rankest novice backyard stargazer (that would include me) to people with decades of experience and their own personal world-class and internationally-known deep-sky/variable star/asteroid search observatories. They have cooperated with me fully over the years. Results of the searches for Planet X?
Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Goose eggs. L'oeuf. Hard vacuum. Nothing at all.

Something the size of an asteroid, with 25x the mass of Jupiter. We're talking a neutron star or the like, aren't we? And what happened to it being made of dark matter? At that size, with that mass, forget dark matter, you're darn near talking black hole...so what is it? I reiterate: Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Goose eggs. L'oeuf. Hard vacuum. Nothing at all.

Yes, and the observations you're attempting to cite that support your view have been called into very serious question on numerous occasion. The observations show serious deficiencies in interpretation and translation, and in some case their very existence has been debated. In addition, some 'evidence' has been a rather mixed bag from various cultures; as a whole, they seem to present a cogent picture of something, but no individual item can stand on its own -- and if an element can't stand by itself, it sure can't support another element. The whole thing to this point has been a house of cards, and rather poorly built, at that.

Any observation done prior to the time of approximately Galileo (if I remember right), were done naked eye, and there is a definite (and rather low) limit to the size/brightness of an object that can be detected with the naked eye. Besides, a few moments ago you were hollering that PX was 'dark matter', and could only be seen with an infrared telescope. What, it was naked eye back then, big and close enough to be seen, but now it's dead and dark and really far away? And when was the supernova that marked the transition between these two states?

Yes, the motives didn't change, be they artistic, religious, or a combination of them. But as astronomical observations and proof of the existence of Planet X, they are sadly lacking in solid proof. Legends and stories have their origins in something, that we agree on, but the question is, what are those origins? The search for the origins of literary history are as exciting to me as the search for the origins of the universe itself, but those stories do not have the strength to be supporting points for this particular astronomical quasi-happening.

Do I believe they exist? Sure they do. Want a great example of how they're made? Next baseball season, check the pattern mowed into the grass at Wrigley Field. Do I believe that there are little green men on the Cubs' payroll? No.

Objects similar to what? Comets? Shooting stars? Flying saucers? A quick moving light in the sky to the naked eye looks like a whole lot of other quick moving lights in the sky seen by other naked eyes. So somebody saw something. Unless you can conclusively tell me what it was they saw, you can't use these occurrences as the supporting foundation facts of your argument -- and so far, you haven't done that.

That's the Bayeux Tapestry you're referring to, and yes, it's Halley's Comet that's depicted therein. Halley's Comet's regular periodicity was shown from other historical records, observations, and predictions of its reappearance (Edmund Halley didn't discover the comet, he predicted its reappearance, which is why it was named after him.) Where are the supporting observations detailing Planet X's reappearance, and have they been confirmed to be accurate? Once again, the answer is no.

Sorry, Pavel, but current states of my health and exchequer prevent me from traveling at this time, and besides which, if I was going somewhere, I'd make it Atlanta MI to watch my buddies bounce their cars off the trees at Sno*Drift this weekend...but I digress.
Post your 'important proofs' here, Pavel. If your evidence stands scrutiny by those who pass by here, it will start to attain some authority by virtue of that scrutiny.


I note that there's a thread on this subject on the board. I'll be examining that thread with interest.
Well, let's start with the fact that the orbits of the planets show no evidence of having been disturbed by the passage (recurring or otherwise) of an object 25 times the mass of Jupiter, as you state PX is in your original post. Jupiter itself has a measurable and calculable effect on the orbit of Earth, for example...wouldn't something 25 times as massive passing much much closer than Jupiter is have a drastic effect on Earth's orbit? Yet no effect of that magnitude has been shown, for Earth or any other Solar System object. That alone is sufficient to shoot your model down in roaring technicolored flames.

There's Nancy Lieder. There's Zechariah Sitchin. There's you. There's dozens of PX devotees out there, some supporting each other in a very complexly tangled web of claims, some claiming that all the others are full of equine digestive deposits and they're proclaiming The One True Message Of The Stars.

To restate my most eloquently-phrased expression of scoffitude, I say frog snot.

There is no unknown planet of the size and mass stated, on the repetitive orbit named, over the time period commonly stated, that is about to cause The End Of The World As We Know It. There is no evidence that supports this conjecture -- no ancient burial flags, no carpets, no tapestries, no clay cylinders, no cathedral windows, no webcam pictures, no observations, no calculations...Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Goose eggs. L'oeuf. Hard vacuum. Nothing at all.

And by the way, Pavel, while I don't hold it against you that English is apparently not your first language (I believe evidence has been posted that you're from generally what used to be Czechoslovakia), is there a reason that astronomers from your home area have dismissed your claims? I mean, you'd be so much better able to explain your theories in your native language. Why have those people pooh-poohed your claims? Hmmm?

Just a thought...maybe it's because it all adds up to
Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Goose eggs. L'oeuf. Hard vacuum. Nothing at all.

Don't call us, we'll call you.

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Charlie in Dayton, A.AsC.

What does it mean:
"We will find you"

I know that america's oficials had saied:

If there would be some body which could endanger Earth, so we will not say it to mankind.

This is oficial politics of...

Charles are you one of servants of those political VIPs ?

Only don't panic, even though if there could be cemetry...

VIPs will survive HaHaHa

Do you think, that they even cheat god and angels?

HaHaHa

I had had also duty to sign regreses when I worked in Sunyvale in Siliconwaley, and in Horsham in Motorola, but it wasn't astronomy but technical devices.
Did you , Charlie signed also some regreses concerned to astronomy?

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What does it mean:
"We will call you" ,excese me mistake

I know that america's oficials had saied:

If there would be some body which could endanger Earth, so we will not say it to mankind.

This is oficial politics of...

Charles are you one of servants of those political VIPs ?

Only don't panic, even though if there could be cemetry...

VIPs will survive HaHaHa

Do you think, that they even cheat god and angels?

HaHaHa

I had had also duty to sign regreses when I worked in Sunyvale in Siliconwaley, and in Horsham in Motorola, but it wasn't astronomy but technical devices.
Did you , Charlie signed also some regreses concerned to astronomy?

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I was wondering how long it would take before hints of the Grand Conspiracy(tm) appeared.

Instead, I'd like to see some of Charlie's points addressed. Veiled accusations of secret plots to conceal The Truth aren't very convincing, sir.

[-X

And it's interesting to note that Charlie's search for Planet X, with high powered optics in the hands of well-intentioned, genuine astronomers, revealed nothing. Shall we address that point, and leave the others aside for now?

It's something that might be said to someone who is selling something, but the person being talked to doesn't want to buy it. In other words, it means you have not made a point that he has accepted.
Basically you are saying things like somewhere in a big area of sky is an object that cant be seen. Just because you use very specific terms to say that doesn't make it any less silly. What it really boils down to (in summary) you have presented no creditable evidence of any astronomical object. The arguments you have made could be made for anything in the imagination, but most of the group here requires scientific evidence. Again just because you use specific terms and references does not make your evidence valid.
At least you appear to not be making up physics like nancy does. But you should re-evaluate your logic. You're logic seems to be along the lines of - there are 9 planets counting the asteroid belt therefore there must be a 10th. Events have happened in the past therefore it must be this 10th planet moving by that caused the events. We cant find this 10th planet therefore it must be invisible. The ancients drew circles therefore they must have known about the 10th planet. If you are denying the existence of the 10th planet then you must have an alterative motive (probably an evil government cover-up).

#-o #-o #-o [-X [-X [-X

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I must not PX. PX is the mind-killer. I will face my PX. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the PX has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

[woo-woo mode] Charlie, what your missing is that the little green men (LGM) are not on the Cubs payroll, but they are there and living in the scoreboard. If you can read the pattern in the grass, like I can, it tells the whole story. See, the survivors of the Roswell crash made their way to Wrigley. The live in the scoreboard. They don't want all the publicity that would go along with a World Series. That's why the Cub's haven't been to one since 1945. The LGM's use their modifier ray (projected from the center flagpole) to cause something that prevents the Cub's from advancing. They let the Cub's get to playoffs, every so often, just to avert suspicion. The reason Wrigley was chosen is the flagpoles on top of the scoreboard are just the right distance from the foulpoles to allow the resonance require by their intergalactic, quantum foam radios. This way they can send their observations to their home planet. You just have to be able to read the grass patterns. [/woo-woo mode]


BTW, nice post Charlie.

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Some try to tell me, thoughts they cannot defend,... - Moody Blues.

Neptune- The original Dark Matter.

The author feels that this technique of deliberately lying will actually make it easier for you to learn the ideas. - Donald Knuth

...grab that stone and sharpen up the carving knife...he's back for another slicing or two...

Explained in another post; an American colloquialism.

What American officials? Who said it? When did they say it? Citations, please.

...of what country? And when and where was this stated?

I am a veteran of my nation's armed forces, a skilled tradesman in two disciplines, and a college graduate certified in a third trade. I am no man's servant, sir, so you may take your arrogant and supercilious attitude and stuff it.

The only one here showing any indications of panic is you, Pavel, in your refusal to answer questions, and your tactics of personal insult.

An appeal to aristocracy and religion. Nonsensical at best...and it's nowhere near 'best'.

Pavel, I find it difficult to believe you spent much time at "Siliconwaley" or "Sunyvale". If nothing else, a bit of spelling and syntax would have been expected to rub off. But I digress...

"Regreses" (sic)? I'm going to make a guess that you're referring to some sort of security or privacy statement, where you're restricted as to what you can make public about your employer. I am in no one's employ concerning my astronomical activities. I earn no money doing this -- it's a hobby, pure and simple, and my activities at the Observatories are in support of the museum where one observatory is, and in support of my local astronomy club, which runs both observatories. Since both organizations exist for discovery, exploration, education, and the joys of the natural sciences, why would either of them require me to stay silent about any discovery made at or researched by either organization? Such a thing would be totally opposed to the reasons that both organizations exist. So what I posted doesn't agree with your theories? That automatically makes me part of the conspiracy, does it? I regard this as a persecution complex on the part of the Planet X promoters.

If there was a massive conspiracy of silence by the governments (secret or otherwise) of the world, if there were active steps being taken to suppress this 'ancient knowledge', if the authorities were so frightened of the threat to their power and position that this information supposedly carries, then why hasn't anyone come and snatched you up for a quick trip to the gulag? You're publicizing Planet X on a public bulletin board frequented by visitors literally all over the world. I ask this question not only of you, Pavel, but of Nancy Lieder and anyone else convinced that the existence of Planet X and the like are being suppressed by the authorities. You have publically accessible websites all over that you update regularly, and chat rooms and bulletin boards abound where the latest Planet X-crescence is liberally plastered all over the Internet. If they're out to suppress all this, WHY HAVEN'T THEY COME AND STOPPED YOU?

Answer that one, Pavel.

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I'm a wage slave, bound to daily drudgery to survive, positioned to lose everything if I dont please my masters.

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I must not PX. PX is the mind-killer. I will face my PX. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the PX has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

resenmut: As you can see, there's no substitute for actual proof when it comes to having claims of things like Planet X/Nibiru taken seriously. Mathematical formulas and supposed ancient knowledge are not capable of conjuring up rogue planets on their own. It seems that if you are unwilling to believe that the world's astronomers would announce the discovery of such objects then there's not much we can say to change your opinion. Unlike you, we employ a legitimate scientific approach to scenarios like your hypothetical Planet Xs and without tangible evidence based on legitimate astronomical observation, we won't believe what you claim with your psuedoscience. Ever! These "Planet Xs" you describe haven't been seen by any legitimate astronomer. None! They don't exist. There is no world-wide cabal of professional or amateur astronomers that are covering this up. If you stop and think about it you should see how absurd this really sounds. If you have a telescope, have the Men-in-Black told you not to look for it? Claiming the "elite" are covering this up is a crutch used by those that can't point skyward and say "there it is." You should be able to figure this out on your own resenmut, it's not rocket-science. Before this thread gets too nasty, I think you should quit wasting your time trying to explain non-existent objects with people that apparently know more about astronomy than you do.

Very well said Archer17.
If you are going to have faith in something unseen, there are better things than PX to put that faith into.

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I must not PX. PX is the mind-killer. I will face my PX. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the PX has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.