What do I think...I think mushrooms have a lot more to do with the creation of this post then anything we observe in the universe.

Mars is not the Earth in the past.
Venus is not the Earth in the future.
Simply put if Mars is the Earth in the past then Jupiter is Mars in the past. How can Mars get created from Jupiter?
How can Neptune get created from Pluto & Charon?
Why do you think the planets are spiralling into the sun?

Frankly there is more to astrology then the ramblings in this post.

Since the above posts is chock-a-block with crap like,
You do know that the speed that quasars spin at is dependant on the rotational speed the star they formed from and their mass right?

The lesson to be learnt here is that mushrooms should never be used to gain insight on the universe.

millions of millions? Mars is atleast 1,000,000,000,000 years old? Wow this at least 66 times older then the best estimate of the age of the universe.

You don't get it .... in Mar's past Mar's was more like present day Earth. In your, umm relatity, you say Mar's future will be more like present day Earth.

I don't think you understand how this board works. You make a claim that is not main stream and people ask you to back up your claim. If someone makes a mainstream statement it is not their duty to back up their claim. If you want to ask about the composition of Jupiter and Mars feel free to go over to the Q&A board.

Fact, Jupiter is a gas giant and there is no indication that it has a Mars like core.
Fact, There is no known process by which Jupiter would loose all its hydrogen in to expose a Mars like core, which there is no indication that it even has.
Fact There is no indication that Mars was ever like Jupiter in its past.


Baring invisible pink winged unicorns interviening Venus's mass is significantly less then Earth. With no known process of removing that mass from Earth there is no reason to believe that Venus is Earths Future.

Lunar, Earth's moon, is not spiralling into Earth but drifting away from it until it reaches a point where it will become locked with the rotation of the Earth.

Earth is rotating in a different direction then Venus.

There is no known process by which Mars would get a molten core, this core would spin up giving Mars a magnetic field.

Again the planets are NOT spiralling into the sun. Please show evidence that they are if you believe this.

What does the orbits have to do with time? If I jump on a rocket and blast off in the opposite direction the Earth is traveling around the sun at a rate of 29.78km/s what do you think will happen and why? What would happen if I went at a rate of 29.56km/s?

The fact that you don't understand orbital mechanics doesn't support your idea.


Light year = the distance, in any reference frame, that light will travel in 365.25 days. Nothing really significant.

You need to learn main stream science is what you need to do.

If you want to introduce your own wrong idea please start your own thread.

Please learn the basics of the science you are trying to refute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Jupiter

And HELLO! to you to ..friend.. I just love waking up with a smile only to be attacked rudely rather than have a civilized respectful discussion.

I understand my ATM is going to come under attack by do I really have to listen to people call my posts CRAP? Couldn't you easily have had a nice day and helped me through respect and kindness to see how I'm wrong in my theory.


I can't believe the mods would let you call an indroduction of my life, so that you may know me better,........nonsense........ How Rude.........

Anyway....


Please Start a New ATM Thread for supporting your ideas.... Because we allllll truly have no f'in clue what's what.... You are stating a theory just like I am.......

Please don't you use my thread to support your ATM.

And in your extremely small 3d dimensional view of the world you forget there is ALOT MORE to the interdimensional mechanics than just astrology.... Astrology is a tiny tiny field in a tiny tiny little sub verse.

Wait astrology????? i thought is was astronomy???? Whatever you say...

It;s very important being a literal map of the past but still it has to be viewed from 10 different angles not sitting in your underwear behind you pc.... 3d is boring.... try 10 dimensional thinking.......

So far your attemp to debunk me has been your face coming red and steam coming out of your ears rather than intelligent convo.......

Why did you feel the need to attack my personal character? Or my mental stability?

ACTUALLY I have some rather cool ideas about mushrooms....

This brings me to p. cubensis.

I do not condone the use of p. cubensis but I do have theories of it's purpose in space and human culture.

Mushroom spores have a coating as hard as some of the hardest metal and can survive deep space travel.

They also are a deep deep purple so that they can absorb the energy rich ultra violet spectrum.

The spores are very light and upon a collision with a large object could escape earths atmosphere and through a number of possibilities like "hitch hiking" an asteroid until it crashes into another habital planet or in my theory another time past or present.

Natures little organic solid state memory time traveler......

They spread through time backwards and forwards all the time evolving and storing light years of information about countless worlds and civilizations all being imprinted in their dna for the next unsuspecting "earth" to consume and learn light years of information.

Ha ha. There is no "age" to this universe.... So your saying infinity has an expiration date???? The further back in time you go the smaller the universe gets and the more quantum mechanics takes over and time, physics... all your holy grail of knowledge means NOTHING.

Of course I didn't mean a million, Millions....... Millions AND millions AND millions of years old.... I'm sorry I wasn't so precise....

OKAY Billions of years old!!! happy? Billion/Millions and Millions... All the same to me....

You know I caught this yesterday but I don't believe in editing my posts so I'm glad you brought it up.

I honestly read what I was responding to backwards. I thought the person said earth was alot more like mars billions of years ago rather than mars like earth.

Simple mistake.

I think earth looked like or truly was mars billions of years ago.

ALSO.... Again no one on this earth knows for sure that your theory is true that mars was more like earth millions of years ago....

Please start your own thread to present your ATM.

YEP... Learned that quick yesterday..... But it seems you haven't learned yourself.... You making alot of claims that not all the mainstream would support.

actually i believe mordern day quantum physicists would say your ideas are rather old fashioned...

It's funny to that every major break through has beed someone fighting the mainstream...... With theories rather than what your college professor taught you about old fashioned science that;s out dated...

I mean you don't even think outside the 3d box.....

I think it's funny how all of your "facts" are just lame "we have no indication" "we have no known process" DUH!!! lol!

So how do you call these facts?? Sounds like to me NOBODY knows what is going on but at least a few like me are searching......

BTW there is alot if space between mars and jupiter RIGHT? So that's quite abit of time for impacts between ice comets etc.etc. to strip/add from/to the planets surface drastically changing it's appearance and make up......

Oh and who said there is no indication....

From wiki:

Theoretical models indicate that if Jupiter had much more mass than it does at present, the planet would shrink. For small changes in mass, the radius would not change appreciably, and above about four Jupiter masses the interior would become so much more compressed under the increased gravitation force that the planet's volume would actually decrease despite the increasing amount of matter. As a result, Jupiter is thought to have about as large a diameter as a planet of its composition and evolutionary history can achieve. The process of further shrinkage with increasing mass would continue until appreciable stellar ignition is achieved as in high-mass brown dwarfs around 50 Jupiter masses.[22] This has led some astronomers to term it a "failed star", although it is unclear whether or not the processes involved in the formation of planets like Jupiter are similar to the processes involved in the formation of multiple star systems.

Although Jupiter would need to be about 75 times as massive to fuse hydrogen and become a star, the smallest red dwarf is only about 30 percent larger in radius than Jupiter.[23][24] In spite of this, Jupiter still radiates more heat than it receives from the Sun. The amount of heat produced inside the planet is nearly equal to the total solar radiation it receives.[25] This additional heat radiation is generated by the Kelvin-Helmholtz mechanism through adiabatic contraction. This process results in the planet shrinking by about 2 cm each year.[26] When it was first formed, Jupiter was much hotter and was about twice its current diameter.[27]

Jupiter is thought to consist of a dense core with a mixture of elements, a surrounding layer of liquid metallic hydrogen with some helium, and an outer layer predominantly of molecular hydrogen.[26] Beyond this basic outline, there is still considerable uncertainty. The core is often described as rocky, but its detailed composition is unknown, as are the properties of materials at the temperatures and pressures of those depths (see below). In 1997, the existence of the core was suggested by gravitational measurements,[26] indicating a mass of from 12 to 45 times the Earth's mass or roughly 3%–15% of the total mass of Jupiter.[25][28] The presence of a core during at least part of Jupiter's history is suggested by models of planetary formation involving initial formation of a rocky or icy core that is massive enough to collect its bulk of hydrogen and helium from the protosolar nebula. Assuming it did exist, it may have shrunk as convection currents of hot liquid metallic hydrogen mixed with the molten core and carried its contents to higher levels in the planetary interior. A core may now be entirely absent, as gravitational measurements are not yet precise enough to rule that possibility out entirely.[26][29]

The uncertainty of the models is tied to the error margin in hitherto measured parameters: one of the rotational coefficients (J6) used to describe the planet's gravitational moment, Jupiter's equatorial radius, and its temperature at 1 bar pressure. The JUNO mission, scheduled for launch in 2011, is expected to narrow down the value of these parameters, and thereby make progress on the problem of the core.[30]

The core region is surrounded by dense metallic hydrogen, which extends outward to about 78 percent of the radius of the planet.[25] Rain-like droplets of helium and neon precipitate downward through this layer, depleting the abundance of these elements in the upper atmosphere.[18][31]

Above the layer of metallic hydrogen lies a transparent interior atmosphere of liquid hydrogen and gaseous hydrogen, with the gaseous portion extending downward from the cloud layer to a depth of about 1,000 km.[25] Instead of a clear boundary or surface between these different phases of hydrogen, there is probably a smooth gradation from gas to liquid as one descends.[32][33] This smooth transition happens whenever the temperature is above the critical temperature, which for hydrogen is only 33 K[34] (see hydrogen).

The temperature and pressure inside Jupiter increase steadily toward the core. At the phase transition region where liquid hydrogen—heated beyond its critical point—becomes metallic, it is believed the temperature is 10,000 K and the pressure is 200 GPa. The temperature at the core boundary is estimated to be 36,000 K and the interior pressure is roughly 3,000–4,500 GPa.[25]

Read it? you need to put away the old 1942 dusty astrology books.....


Umm the moon will in FACT impact the earth one day.... There is an asteroid the will come within a few hundred million miles of earth in the next 45 years.. I don't know exactly how close but close enough to fear falling into earths gravitational pull.


Massive collisions happen all the time..... There are missiles everywhere out there even big enough to strip mass and change rotation.....


The reason the moon is rotating away is because it was just chipped off the moon by some collision in the past. It will eventually start falling back towards earth......

You keep saying "there is know known process"... Correct... So when it wasn't known the earth was round the earth was flat then right???? When there was no know process for ocean tides it must have been Posiden making motion in the ocean?????



Your kidding right?





Again you must be kidding.....


Planets take time to orbit..... What else do I have to say.... lol


If you would look at the last 3 diagrams I drew up you'll see how time has to do with my theory...


The further you travel away from the earth towards the source or big bang "location" the further back in time you travel.\


Here is my theory one more time....................................



When you look at the stars.... You are time traveling... How.... Because the stars you see are not there.... They are dead....... But in our relative time frame they are still young stars.

It's an effect of OPTICAL EXTINCTION

I take this one step further in my theory and get in a space ship and instead of just looking at the stars I blast off and ride through space towards them traveling back in "time"....



Read it again.....



I stated that you need to follow a planets orbit to calculate how long until it falls into the sun or the sun frys it before hand.

I was simply saying planets are not travleing in a straight line towards the sun so you can't measure it's distance to sun in TIME in a straight line, unless you want to uncoil the orbit length and measure it.

You can say there is 1 inch between earth and the sun but the sun will have to travel alot futher than an inch to reach the sun.... see?????

Earth is 93000000 miles from the sun but the earth with have to travel much further to get there due to orbit.


The mainstream???? HAHA... Nothing good has come from mainstream science but closed thoughts and narrow perceptions......

Thats why i posted in...... ATM.......

I'm sorry but I have to say this has got to be the worst piece of advice I have ever seen typed......

You have what you have because of our ancestors use of Magic Mushrooms to build language, civilization, science..... etc.........

The Ark of the Covenant is believed to have contain blue honey or Magic Mushroon Juice preserved in honey. It is also highly likely it contain a certain 3 leafed psychedlic flower that the flur de lis is modeled after and is why the flur de lis is such a special symbol that has been used by all major cilvilizations in times of war on their armor/sheilds and in times of peace of their flags

The flur de lis was a kings way of saying.... I know something you don't know.... or at least there is nothing you know that I don't......

Still used today.

The pyramids are 5th dimensional "trip areas" Pyramidical Points Where dimensions cross.

All the great pharohs used magic Mushrooms to gain the knowlege to control their people.



__What you need to do__ is learn a little about the spiritworld and how in is deeply interwoven with human history. Then learn where you actually come from. Then when you've got the "basics" of life and spirituality and respect and harmony and love..... You can stick your head in the clouds and tinker around with planets and galaxies............

Edit: Changed to Ark of the Covenant

Wow, I'm having a pretty hard time finding the science in this thread, this IS BAUT right? *checks browswer top*....Yep, still here.
Why don't you start with a few simple sentences that spell out in fairly plain terms, exactly what it is your trying to present. I had to stop after a few paragraphs in your OP, I got much too lost in a lot of philisophical babble. So, lets start from the beginning....in a few sentences, state your theory please.

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where I'm attacking the ideas that you presented. You should in no way feel that me saying that an idea that you have put forth does not match up with observed reality is a personal attack on yourself.

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I'll now explain to you what a scientific theory is.
now the definition "theory" the fits your ideas.
The ideas you have posted do not meet the criteria for a scientific theory.


Please show me where anything I've said is ATM.

Note I made no claim to astrology's validity. What I said is there is more support for astrology then the ideas put forth in the original post.

Exactly, there is more supporting evidence for astrology then the ideas that have been put forth in the original post and astrology falls far short of being scientific.

Care to enlighten use using the language of science on your take of M-Theory?

I'll wear the infraction for bringing up the mushrooms you talked about in my reply. I don't see where I attacked your mental stability. I'll stand by my statement that no one should ever use illicit drugs that produce a psychedelic effect to try to obtain answers to the physical world.

I don't care about your ideas about mushrooms, they have nothing to do with astronomy and physics. They have to do with neurophysiology and neuropsychology and this is not what these boards are about.

No I'm not saying infinity has an expiration date. I'm saying main stream science puts the age of the universe at about 14.5 billion years and this is mainstream because it has a lot of evidential support to it.

I'll point out that you are putting forth part of the steady state universe by saying the universe has an infinite age and this is not supported by the observations that are made.

And I pointed out that mistake for not only you but other readers that may not have caught that mistake.

We understand what you think and we are telling you why what you think is wrong. Just like if you think 2 + 2 = 5 we will show you that in fact 2 + 2 = 4.

Now you are stepping outside of science and treading into philosophy and I'll point out that it is bad philosophy and any real philosophers out there will show you how faulty logic can invalidate the philosophy you are putting forth.

Again please site where I have brought up any ATM idea. Remember ATM stands for "Against The Mainstream" and this is very different then "Against Synthesis".

Again please point me to one idea that I've put forth in this thread that is ATM. You claiming I am making ATM claims is nothing more then a weak straw man tactic.

Again point out where anything I've said contradicts accepted scientific quantum theory.

I have no problem with breaking with mainstream theories when the break is supported by observation and sound science.

...to be continued....

...continued from last post

How do you know how I think? You don't. I have just put forth why the ideas you posted do not match up with observation.

The "facts" I put forth are part of the facts that allow you to sit at your computer and type your ideas out. The computer you use is based solidly in quantum mechanics. Nothing mystical about it. Many people have a false idea about quantum mechanics. The ideas you put forth have no bases in reality and are easily observed to be faulty.

I call them fact because when we make measurements time and time again and get the same result the odds that on the next measurement we would get a different result goes down. Just like gravity. We've measured it to a high degree of accuracy and to date no apple has just shot up into space without us knowing exactly why it did so and never has it been anything but a strictly Newtonian mechanical explanation that was needed.

About 3.7AU. I don't think you understand how much energy would be required to strip off 1.898x10² worth of material from Jupiter.
That is over 99.9663% of its mass.


Main stream science.

Yes even if you blew away 85%-97% of Jupiter's mass you are left with a probably rocky core that is 120x-450x the mass of Mars made of of drastically different rock that results from being at such high temperatures and pressures for such a long tim.

Lets look at this too. If Neptune became Uranus and Uranus became Jupiter you have to explain the following

1. How so much more rock material was added to the core, more rocky material then we observe in the rest of the solar system combined
2. how it gained so much hydrogen without a source being seen anywhere
3. why its helium ratio goes down dispite the fact that helium is easier to hold on to by a planet then hydrogen is.
4. How the tilt of the planet changed
5. How it did all this in less then 4.5 billion years given we know pretty well how old the sun is. Or do you think the science that produced the nuclear bomb is faulty and we just happen to get it right.
6. How all the angular momentum was changed. IE Jupiter is VERY big and its day is only 9.925 h but Mars day is 24.623h. The law of conservation of angular momentum would say that if Mars was the core of Jupiter that its day should be much sorter then 10 hours even if you just blew away the atmosphere. Ever see a figure skater spinning around. The pull in their arms and the spin faster....that is conservation of angular momentum.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZT, wrong answer. We measure the moon all the time. It is infact spiralling away from the Earth and in the process slowling down the rotation of the Earth causing the Earth's day to be longer. IE the Earth is bleeding off its rotational speed to sling the moon into a higher orbit. This will occur until the orbit of the moon around the Earth is = the length of an day on Earth at that time.

Science is a wonderful thing you should learn some of it some time.


In the Early solar system yes. These days...no. There are no bodies in our solar system within the Ort cloud that will strip off 99.9663% of Jupiters mass and leave absolutely no trace that it ever happened.

No the reason it is spiralling outwards is because of the gravitational influence of the tides. Funny enough the formula that comes up with the answer to how fast the moon should be receding match the actual measurements we make.

Science works with known process. If you have a process which can be tested that supports your idea then feel free to put it forth. But until then we go with known processes.

No I'm not kidding. Please show the evidence that the planets are "spiralling in" towards the sun at any rate that matters given that the sun is only about 5 billion years old and only has another about 5 billion years left.

This is a HUGE problem for you. Even if the universe is infinite in age our sun is and can not be. It is like you saying that the petrol in your car never runs out. The sun will use up all it hydrogen, then helium then it will die as a white dwarf all in about 5 billion more years.

No I'm not kidding. I want you to explain, in scientific terms, what effect that an orbit has on "time" I know, most of the other posters here know, but I really believe that you have no idea about it. Thus I want you to show me for example what the difference in time is at the mean orbit of Mars is compared to the time at the mean orbit of Earth. Please show your maths since maths is the language of physic and the only way to independently verify your claims.

Ah, yea, I'd like to say "please school yourself in GR" but we have a much more fundamental problem then your understanding of general relativity.


I've looked at your diagrams and they have as much use to scientists as this picture is useful to a doctor about to perform surgery.

But as you are travelling out from the Earth you are still moving forward in time. We look at Mars and we might see it as it was only 5 minutes ago if we are really close but no matter how fast we try to travel to Mars we will never get to Mars before that point in time.

Going with your logic I should be able to fly away from the sun and watch Earth progress back to a Mars state in a Mars orbit. Funny enough not one of the spaceships ever sent to the outer solar system has ever observed anything like this.


Yes we can "see" into the past because of the way light works. YAY we all know this. This is very different then actually travelling into the past.

No because the time dilation only approaches zero. You can never get past it.



plug in any value you want for v from 0 to c and you will see you never get any answer that has time go backwards. Add to this that we know you can never travel at c because this would take an infinite amount of energy since you are not a zero rest mass object. Even if you plug in a value > c you don't go back in time as the result isn't negative. You get the square root of a negative number which isn't negative but a complex number. Instead of travelling back in time you would travel into imaginary time and I know by your posts your going to latch onto the term imaginary so please before you say anything learn about imaginary numbers....they really are not "imaginary"


I understand orbital mechanics but I and it provides your ideas no support.


You're computer has come from mainstream science for one. With out mainstream science your expected life span would be about 29 years, your teeth would have fallen out, you would have no technology. Pick yourself up and drop yourself back 2.8 million years ago and tell me that nothing good has happened to our lineage of primates in that time.

If you think it is all bad....please feel free get rid of all your technology and walk naked into the forest for the rest of your life.

If I ever see an inebriated elephant fly up into a tree while dreaming about spooky pink elephants, then maybe I will attempt to figure out what Synthesis is trying to say.

P.S. Walt Disney's images do not count.

The main belt asteroids are doing that all the time.

Dunnu...have you ever tried to go the website badgerbadgerbadger.com?

It might help

Pete

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very interesting and really off the wall

ref planets all being the same just separated by time is quite cute as ideas go

lets assume it is true it then unfortunately has little impact on us humans for when we visit the moon we also travel through time (in a way we don't notice)

though if we knew how and when earth would become venus would we be able to stopit anyway ?

You misunderstand the concept of infinity. Infinity does not mean everything, you can have an infinite set that excludes things. For example, the set of even integers (0,2,4,6,...) is infinite. Does the lack of odd numbers make it not infinite? Nope.

I've had this argument with a friend of mine. He says that you can't have infinite amount of space without an infinite amount of time. Compared to this thread his conspiracy theories are easy to stomach.

Questions to the OP.

1) Why would we, in your idea, only see the planets in certain orbits? IE if Mars is Earth in the past why don't we just see one big long blurred motion trail from Earth to Mars?

2) How much energy would be required to removed the amount of mass needed from Jupiter to make it the mass of Mars>

3) Where did all that mass go?

4) How much energy would be required to remove the angular momentum from Jupiter to produce a Mars like object?

I won't hold me breath for an answer that matches any physical laws we know about. I expect that we'll get explanations that require suspensions of reality if we get anything at all.

There is just *SO* much wrong in these 'things'...wow! It almost sounds like the use of (illegal) drugs/major mind-altering substances is being advocated (???) as a way to make sense of the true physics of the universe. I hope not...

But back to the ATM of the OP -> how do comets fit into the thinking of 'orbital-time' or whatever the 'theory' could be referred to? Comets orbit the sun as well, right? Or do they not apply here?

Alex

I think both sides should drop the substance discussion, which is irrelevant, and get to the substance of the discussion.

That comet point is a good one.

The more you consider, the more complicated this theory seems.

It generally seems the theories that explain things well get simpler as you come to understand them.

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A black hole is not "a point in space too distant for the light to never reach us."

Read up.

Please don't take this personally, as I'm not intending this that way in the least. You're obviously bright and creative. However...

You've made a number of propositions that appear to be your attempt, based on what you do know, to explain various aspects of the universe.

The problem is, to quote a famous author, you do not know what you do not know. As a result, your propositions are without merit as they contradict well-established science which, apparently, you simply have not yet learned.

Fortunately, there's any straightforward fix!

If I may, I recommend a year of freshman-level collegiate science/engineering math, followed by a year of collegiate science/engineering physics along with a second year of math.

I think that would help the most.

Fortunately, Tinaa, one of our moderators, brought The Open University to our attention a while back, where you will find free courses on everything from Mathematics to Physics and Astronomy.

I wish you the best of luck!

What comet point? What is your take on this?

While I agree this idea, as it is far about as from a scientific theory as you can get, gets more complicated the more you try to think about it, I'll say this. Nothing in science says that a theory needs to get more simple as you go. I don't expect a grand unified theory to be more simple then theories like electromagnatism.

What it appeared was being suggested was that all the planets are orbiting in a spiraling motion towards the sun. If comets are made from the same general collection as the rest of the solar system, then why would they sometimes have largely elliptical orbits, coming much closer to the sun, then heading back out a long distance? You'd expect their motion to be similar to everything else in the solar system, wouldn't you?

What I meant by the simpler thing is (I think, this is a week ago now) that good theories seem to reinforce themselves as you learn more about them. Maybe self-consistent/supporting would have been a better way to put it?

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Thanks for the clarification. I'm in agreement. Good theories are like that. Ones that aren't...well get discarded.

And you guys think I'm bad.. This statement is something I'm interested in further. I've been toying with the same idea, provided SR is valid in my own theory. I dont know what the mainstream thinking is on this but it goes back to the anti vs reality thing I was proposing.

Personally I have contemplated what the OP is suggesting myself, concerning the planets exchanging over time but not as thoroughly and without reference to philosophical connections. I dont want to answer for the OP but I think he meant that Mars was LIKE Earth in the past and that Venus WILL BE like Earth in the future? I would ask for clarification?

Whoops....I was going to ask if this would even be possible but I see WayneFrancis has elaborated on this already.

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Re-read the OP posts. You will clearly see that they think that if you travel to Mars that you are literally travelling into the past. Not just that it looks like the Earth in the past but that it IS Earth in the past.

That is what I took away from the thread as well. And my 'comet point' is that I was highly curious as to how a comet would fit into the 'time' of everything in such a 'system'. There would surely need to be a plausible way to screw in *that* light bulb so that all of it shines, right? There's just no socket for it, especially if comets are considered 'primordial'... We shall see

Alex

2 weeks since the OP has been on the forums. I believe this drive by is over.