Faster than light... Blackholes... Planets.... Mushrooms.... Time... I have theories... Let's talk...p

I stumbled upon this site after researching the famous 5126 cycle of the mayan calendar and galatic super waves.

Let me start off with saying I'm not someone who just started wondering about things of this nature. Actually I have dedicated my ENTIRE life to self exploration. I use to consider reading my mothers psychology books for fun when I was a kid. I use to wonder about light travel, time travel, vectors, voids.... as a kid.... but I just couldn't seem to grasp the things I wanted to grasp. At least not 100%

Then one day something happened to me that changed me forever. Suddenly my mind was wide open. No questions remained. Why does light have a speed limit??? Done.... What is a void? (in the true sense) Done. What is time? Done.

Slowly over the years after solving all the "big problems" Earth seemed so worthless to even think about other than my place here. I got really "spaced out" over the years and decided to take a brake from the perpetual bigness to the perpetual smallness.

Well that didn't last long. As above as so below.... Tell me about it....

So after losing interest with things that some people only dream of understanding I started a journey with the history of the world. I've stumbled across all sorts of stuff from aliens to master races from inhabited highly ellipitical planets to galatic super waves. Man it has been fun weeding through all the crap and then all the crap that might not actually be crap just misinterpreted methaphors or cryptic symbolism, syncromystisism.


Well if I lost my point in all this what I'm trying to say is.. Out of infinite questions... I only have a few left.... Wow thats a paradox in it self.

I guess the questions that remain may or may not be old or new paradoxs and also just a few theorys of mine. I guess after you realize what this universe truly is.... You get bored and get back to the basics of understanding what goes on inside this wave of infinity.


I might also mention to the very well "formally" educated I dropped out in the 8th grade... lol But yet I know trig, calc, vectors, hyperbolics etc. etc. the only thing is... It's all in my head haha. Seriously though. I can see in my head the things people say or write. e=mc2 made perfect sense to me when I was 7 years old. I just can't sit still in a class romm to learn boring formulas just so I can write down on a piece of paper what I see in my head. So all you college grads... take it easy on me... I'm a talker and a thinker... Kinda like a Paganini who can't read music to save his life...

Okay where do i start? ummmmmm..... The past is from mars.... The future is from venus.



Okay. I hope this isn't a little too complicated for some people to understand.


One day i was researching past events that have or may have or will occur in the solar system. Such as planets crashing into moons to make new planets.

I started with uranus. i researched what we believe uranus is composed of and it's mass and what its moons are composed of, its velocity, compisition of rings, rings origins etc. etc. I slowly started to build this pattern or graph in my head and creating what if scenerios.

It;s hard for me to slow down the calculations of collisions, mass exchange, heat exchange, magnetic fields, etc etc that I see in my heaqd and right them on this post. I probably have a million spelling errors already from trying to keep up typing with my thoughts. It's difficult to focus on one single idea of this "whole" idea because the "whole" idea flashes before my eyes at what seems like 30 hertz. The same as a quasar spins right?

Anywho....

If you use a little ingenuity you can start to see how planets with little solid mass absorb moons and comets with the elements it's missing for life.

Uranus over millions of years, falls closer to the sun as all the planets are, and becomes saturn.... But where did Uranus go? Neptune turned into it.... See where I'm going with this???

My theory is that planets are "bubbles" or "spheres" of time. Notice i said of time not "in" time.

When we are looking at mars we are really looking at earth as it was millions and milions of years ago. Not a planet like earth.... But THE earth. Which means Jupiter is what Mars looked like before massive collisions etc. etc. stripped some of it's mass away making the asteroid belt and.. mars.....

Following this same theory.... Venus is our future. Venus is roughly the same size and mass as earth and so much it's called our sister planet. Venus is smothered in co2 and is very hot.... familiar???

Mercury is roughly the size of the earths iron core and is believed to be mainly iron in mass. Mecury seems to be earth with its outermost layers stripped away leaving only the heaviest elements as like in fission and fusion processes.

i believe that time is relative to everyone (echo) EVEN on the same planet.


So I took these new ideas and started to trace back the birth of the solar system which just leads me on a cyclic journey of time spitting out multiple timelines which cam from one of many many time lines.


This lead me to the birth of stars and blackholes.

I'm getting ahead of myself.

Okay. So most people view a planets distance from the sun as a straight line from point a to b. Well you are leaving out a lot of "time" in that way of thinking. The planets do not travel in a straight line. They circle the sun SLOWLY moving towards it in an orbit. duh.

So it's easy to say earth is a certain distance from the sun in a straight line but we need to follow its "orbit line" through time to get its true distance from the sun. Do the math and it's actually light years.


Light we all know is time and time is light.


What if gravity etc is times way of wrapping it self into the dimension above.

The 2nd dimension is a result of the first dimension "splitting" from the 1st dimension. And the third dimension is a reult of the 2nd dimension "folding" itself into the dimension we live in. (google imagining the tenth dimension to better understand)

Well.....lets look at this.....

All the dimensions above and below are a result of the the dimension below it doing one of three things.

1. Branching from the below dimension
2. Folding from the branched dimension below
3. Returning to a linear dimension such a the 1st or the 4th (time)


So the first dimension branches off to create the 2nd. Then the 2nd folds in on itself to create our dimension the 3rd.

The fisrt dimension is duh linear. So is time. So the next step is the braching of time into the 5th dimension. Way back in the day I copied this from someone who put into words what I could not:

0=void, Vacumn, non-being, singularity, unfathomable, neither empty nor full.

1=linearality, lines (curve a string and u get a plane of imaginary flatness)

2=flatness, planes (curve a plane and u get imaginary space)

3=space, spatial, xyz (curve a space and u get a static vibration)

4=static vibrations, rythmic, frequancy without magnitude, reoccurung, ether, shadow (curve a static vibration and u get light)

5=static electromagnetic patterns of spectral lines,magnitude, limitation (curve the light and u get location)

6=location relative to itself, paths, positions, a place that differs from another place (curve a position and u get a shell)

7=the middle of the middle, a shell, in between inside and out, between wave and particle (curve a wave shell into itself and u get particle guts)

8=particle filling, charge, force, quality within the geometirc shape of the wave shell, electric nature (curve the filling of a particle (that is, quantom energy---quaron bits) and u get uncertianty!!!)

9=uncertianty, probobality, possibílity, chaos (curving chaos energy into itself unfolds the crystalizations of thought!!!)

10=thought, that is, that every particle in all has its own thoughts and when those thoughts sychronize (be means of the bonds formed of the 8th dimension) our minds can operate. (curve a thought into itself and u get...Gravity callapse)

11=gravity, yes...gravity owes its nature to the thought of matter...before anyone says that electromagnetic waves or also effected by blackholes...remember that dimensions cannot be seperated in truth from each other. (curve gravity into itself and u get the center of the wave shell, the equilibruibrial center of consciousness)

12=consciousness, thought without consciousness is like us thinking and not knowing it. Consciousness is the 12th dimension, unfolding from nothing itself. (curve consciousness into itself and u get...infinity, which is also 0)

13=infinity, the polorized complement, oneness of opposites, zero, nothing (curving the polarity of opposites and u get a line...sound familair). So we are right back where we started. the 13th dimension is also the same as the zeroth dimension. the circle is complete.


So.... we branch the time dimension into the fifth and the fold the branched 5th into the 6th and get "TIME BUBBLES!!!!" YAY!!! Or you can call them planets.

Combine all the dimensions I have mentioned so far and you get 6th dimensional planets and a 7th dimensional solar system.

It;s dimension stacked within dimensions operating in sync with other dimensions which constantly shift location with each other becoming different dimensions while different dimensions become the dimension it just unbecame....


Ahhh I'm getting tired.... What do YOU think? ; )

I have ALOT more to discuss. I'll be back tomorrow.

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Hi Synthesis.

Welcome to BAUT.

Just wondering - have you discussed this idea elsewhere before? If so, what sort of feedback did you get?

It sounds a lot like this is based on musings and your intuition. Are there any currently unknown or unexplained phenomena which are explained by your concept which we can look at and test it with?

I admit it is an interesting idea, but I will also admit I don't quite follow any sequential logic in it. But who am I to say that means it's wrong. That's why I ask the question in the above paragraph - to try get a grip on what you're suggesting.

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Ill take a quick stab at a few of these...

Ill agree larger chunks of matter accumulate smaller bits and eventually turned into the planets we have today. However to say there is some conscious or purposeful directive that larger chunks seek out specific elements in order to create or nurture life is fanciful, at best. Are you saying planets are somehow conscious and 'chose' the elements it needed for life while it was forming? We know of no other body which has life, therefore it appears only Earth was successful, if your theory is correct.

Wouldnt we run out of planets pretty soon? Is Xena gonig to turn into Pluto Next when Mercury falls into the sun?

Nope. We have been to Mars. We are on Mars now through Spirit and Opportunity. If Mars were actually Earth millions of years ago, then those robotic probes would have had to travel back in time, and then communicated forward in time billions of years on a daily basis to give us the information they are gathering. That isnt possible.

Mars doesn't have a molten metal core, its likely very small and solid; its not moving and so there is almost no magnetic field. No plate tectonics. It is much smaller than Earth, and no amount of impact is going to change its core and get it moving so that these forces come into play. Life as we have on Earth requires a magnetic field and plate tectonics, among a lot of other things, in order to support life. Mars will never have them. Mars will never be Earth.

Besides, Earth "milions and millions" of years ago was teeming with life. Giant dinosaurs, oceans of liquid water, huge expanses of vegetation would surely be detected by the many probes we have sent, and also directly by Hubble (at least the oceans and vegeatation). Thats not what we are seeing.

Mars was a lot more like earth miliions and millions of years ago than it will ever be again.

Following your logic, Jupiter then should be Mars, millions and millions of years ago. Mars, in all its history, was never a Gas Giant.

Yes, if Earth does undergo a greenhouse effect, whether man made or not, we could end up like Venus. But Earth will not become Venus.

It seems that way because you could take a rocky planet such as earth and strip it down and it possibly would be like Mercury. If you moved the Earth in towards the sun it could well end up like it. But it wont be Mercury.

The pattern you are seeing is merely how planets form and evolve based on their composition and closeness to the Sun. There are some Models of planetary formation that show our Solar system is likely typical for its class, and that rocky planets will comprise the inner planets and Gas giants hanging further out, with ice and rock on the fringes.


distance is how you define it. For a straight line, Earth is a mean 93 million miles. If you want to calculate the distance it takes around the sun each year until it theoretically "falls in" (which I think wont happen - the sun will have expanded and destroyed the innter three of 4 planets by then) then you are talking many, many, many light years. Which doesnt seem to be relevant to a useful measure, other than a way to express time as a matter of distance.

true distance? It depends on your frame of reference. again, distance is how you define it. A straight line is the most common, useful way. I dont see why the measure of orbital lines to some far future event would be regarded as the 'true' distance over any other measurement. everything is relative.


I know no such thing. Light is electromagnetic radiation, and time is that which is measured by clocks.

Since lightspeed is a constant, we can use it to talk about distance if we add in a time unit, such as light year, light second, etc. However the two are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.

I may be wrong, but I read it as him saying the planets are all one planet, but what we see are the different stages in time throughout a planet's spiraling journey into the sun.

I'm not agreeing with this idea, just interpreting it.

ETA: Oops, just finished reading your post, seems you got that. Sorry, n00b mistake.

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I have to be honest and say that I find your definitions of dimensions specifically to be full of what appears to be quite a random collection of words that almost sound like concepts, but which (to my ears) sound like meaningless sentences.

Gravity is the thought of matter? etc.

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How do mushrooms fit into your theory?

wait. don't tell me.

I've heard this idea before on another forum, where it was aptly torn to shreds (and the forum was not a science board). There's a obligatory YouTube video that came along with it, too.

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I really wish that you hadn't started this new member out with the typical BAUT modus operandi of snide remarks.

I checked the web and so far everything he/she has written is original (except for what he said is copied) and he choose to share it here at BAUT, probably in hopes of getting some intelligent feedback and look at the lovely greeting he gets.

Lame.

Snide? It was intended as a lighthearted joke, guess that didn't work without a smiley. If the feedback is that it doesn't make any sense to one reader, how is that lame? I suppose I could and should have said it a bit nicer, I'll give you that.

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Hello everyone!!! Thanks to all who welcomed me!



Hello. I never really have opened up and discuss my thoughts with anyone other than my wife.

It's a little more than intuition. More like hyperknowledge that can't be bound and contains to much information at

any one point to warrant a proper language or formula. Because the multiverse within infinity is far from "proper".

I hope I can shine a ittle more light, no pun, on this idea....


No my friend. If it seemed like I was saying the planets consciously "seek" out certain planets and not others I

apologize. No rather the planets randomly collide based on mass gravitational pull etc. etc.

It just so happens that earth the human race etc. is a phenomenon that has to happen. If all infinite timelines

must take place, this universe of ours is bound by infinity to happen without a doubt. This includes all the

"random" events in the galaxy that have led to our existance. It must be. It can not be or infinity would be

incomplete taking away what makes infinity, infinity.


Exactly right when you say we know OF no other planet not we absolutly know for a fact no other planets or moons

hold primitive life in stasis.

Research titan. Could be liquid water with invertibrate like lifeforms.

From wiki: The atmosphere of Titan is largely composed of nitrogen, and its climate includes methane and ethane

clouds. The climate—including wind and rain—creates surface features that are similar to those on Earth, such as

sand dunes and shorelines, and, like Earth, is dominated by seasonal weather patterns. With its liquids (both

surface and subsurface) and robust nitrogen atmosphere, Titan is viewed as analogous to the early Earth, although

at a much lower temperature. The satellite has thus been cited as a possible host for microbial extraterrestrial

life or, at least, as a prebiotic environment rich in complex organic chemistry. Researchers have suggested a

possible underground liquid ocean might serve as a biotic environment
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This brings me to "phase change" in a way... People tend to think of life as only in our window of oppourtunity or

in our "octave" reference if you will.

Meaning, people think of water as liquid. We all know that water gets cold enough if turns a brittle solid. Hard

enough, not so brittle more like rock. It's called phase change.

So why can't life exist in a different "phase". Why can't there be silicon based jellyfish like lifeform floating

in a sea of liquid natural gas?

To cold?? To toxic?? Says who?? A human?? Of course WE can't live there.... But who the hell are we???

Cold, Heat, Toxic, Untoxic... Just like time it's all relative.


Let's take the element mercury for example. Mecury is a metal that doesn't seem to belong hear in this phase. If

mercury could speak english, it would tell you that the earth is a scorching hot place and it would wonder how we

could survive in such a high temuture. But since we have evolved and slowly adapted to this phase 75 degree windy

days feel lovely but when you put mercury on a flat surface it beads up and pushes awat from the "hot" lab table.

What does this remind you of??? Heat up a sauce pan on high heat and put a drop of water in the pan... What

happens... In reaction to the phase of the water conflicting with the phase of heat in the pan in beads up and

dances around just as mercury does on a relative "cool" surface. Add enough heat the water will vaporize just like

mercury into mercury vapor.

Just because methane is posionious to us why can't methane be the equal to an aliens non toxic nitrogen like in our

atmosphere?

I think it can be shallow to think in all the light years we are the only ones to sit back and ask... so earth is

the only "successful" one? Relative to who? You? What is successs exactly? Something we have framed into out narrow

perspective of reality? Ha. i think we are actually pretty unsuccessful. Look at the state of the world.

Now you are getting it!! But I'm not saying pluto is exactly Xena.... Who knows... We can only guess what other

dwarf planets are out there or comets may collide with xena to make another dwarf planet with a moon that will

eventually collide with itself to make pluto... I really can't speculate that far back because I don't have enough

data. NASA must release it's secrets.



I need you to tell me why it isn't possible instead of just saying it is then leaving it at that.

BTW I have a paradox for you. If there is something that is impossible then infinity could not contain this

impossiblity thus removing something from infinity making in no longer infinity which breaks down the fabric of

space time destroying your existance to ever be bale to even say "thats impossible".

Just by saying thats impossible, you actually make it possible.... kinda cool....


How do you transmit information over billions of years? Light speed... What travels at light speed??? Radio

waves..... What does the SPIRIT... cool name.... use to communicate???? Radio Waves..... Time travel is cool

huh.....


Example.... There is a star out there that tribal people who REALLY know the secrets of astronomy call the demon

star. It just so happens that hitlers berlin olympics address will have traveled in form of radio waves at the

exact distance of this demon star.

Now take gravy that and soak it up with this biscuit....


Look at the diagram i have drawn up. Hitler makes his speech... It takes what 60-70 "earth" years to reach the

demon star. Lets say there is a primitive race of unimaginiable creature on a planet near the demon star and they

have evolved to see the radio wave part of the spetrum instead of the visible light spetrum as we have.


They all of a sudden see hitler giving the Berlin Olympic Speech, but as they are watching that hitler is dead!!!


Kinda of like when we look at stars in the sky... most of them arent even there anymore.... They died a long time

ago.... But the light is just now reaching us. So we are time traveling everytime we look at the stars... Looking

into the past...... that isn't there anymore..... cool huh?.....

So when these primitive creatures on a planet near the demon star are recieving this they don't really understand

the information that is being sent and may just seem like a event like the northern lights to us...


Thats why we can never communicate to the point of understanding with "alien life" because "alien life" is just pre

human life from the past which isn't there anymore but it SEEMS like it's there but it's long evolved into

humans.... Trippy....

Yes we are on mars now... Seeding another human existance so it can become earth so we can find the seed

information as the egyptians did and start civlization and build space ships and rovers to seed human infornmation

for the creation of another human race and this happens over and over and the speed of light...... get it???


Why do you think there is or was such a big space race? Because NASA and Russia, China have all entertained these

ideas and are testing them as we speak.


Check out the other diagram about Voyager to understand....

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I never said mars has a molten core.That would take some massive mass/heat exchange......


From wiki: Mars has two tiny natural moons, Phobos and Deimos, which orbit very close to the planet. Their known

composition suggests the moons are captured asteroids but their origin remains uncertain.[88]

Both satellites were discovered in 1877 by Asaph Hall, and are named after the characters Phobos (panic/fear) and

Deimos (terror/dread) who, in Greek mythology, accompanied their father Ares, god of war, into battle. Ares was

known as Mars to the Romans.[89]

From the surface of Mars, the motions of Phobos and Deimos appear very different from that of our own moon. Phobos

rises in the west, sets in the east, and rises again in just 11 hours. Deimos, being only just outside synchronous

orbit—where the orbital period would match the planet's period of rotation—rises as expected in the east but very

slowly. Despite the 30 hour orbit of Deimos, it takes 2.7 days to set in the west as it slowly falls behind the

rotation of Mars, then just as long again to rise.[90]

Because Phobos' orbit is below synchronous altitude, the tidal forces from the planet Mars are gradually lowering

its orbit. In about 50 million years it will either crash into Mars’ surface or break up into a ring structure

around the planet.[90]

The origin of the two moons is not well understood. Their low albedo and carbonaceous chondrite composition are

similar to asteroids and capture remains the favored theory. Phobos' unstable orbit would seem to point towards a

relatively recent capture. But both have circular orbits, very near the equator, which is very unusual for captured

objects and the required capture dynamics are complex. Accretion early in Mars' history is also plausible but does

not account for the moons' composition resembling asteroids rather than Mars itself. A third possibility is the

involvement of a third body or some kind of impact disruption.[91]


Phobos's unusually close orbit around its parent planet produces some unusual effects.

As seen from Phobos, Mars would appear 6400 times larger and 2500 times brighter than the full Moon appears from

Earth, taking up a quarter of the width of a celestial hemisphere.

Phobos orbits Mars below the synchronous orbit radius, meaning that it moves around Mars faster than Mars itself

rotates. Therefore it rises in the west, moves comparatively rapidly across the sky (in 4 h 15 min or less) and

sets in the east, approximately twice each Martian day (every 11 h 6 min). Since it is close to the surface and in

an equatorial orbit, it cannot be seen above the horizon from latitudes greater than 70.4°.

Phobos's orbit is so low that its angular diameter, as seen by an observer on Mars, varies visibly with its

position in the sky. Seen at the horizon, Phobos is about 0.14° wide; at zenith it is 0.20°, one-third as wide as

the full Moon as seen from Earth. By comparison, the Sun has an apparent size of about 0.35° in the Martian sky.

Phobos's phases, inasmuch as they can be observed from Mars, take 0.3191 days (Phobos's synodic period) to run

their course, a mere 13 seconds longer than Phobos's sidereal period


Future destruction
Because Phobos's orbital period is shorter than a Martian day, tidal locking is decreasing its orbital radius at

the rate of about 20 meters per century. In 11 million years it will either impact the surface of Mars or, more

likely, break up into a planetary ring.[26] Given Phobos's irregular shape and assuming that it is a pile of rubble

(specifically a Mohr-Coulomb body), it has been calculated that Phobos is currently stable with respect to tidal

forces. But it is estimated that Phobos will pass the Roche Limit for a rubble pile when its orbital radius drops

by a little over 2000 km to about 7100 km. At this distance Phobos will likely begin to break up and form a short

lived ring system around Mars. The rings themselves will then continue to spiral slowly into Mars


The origin of the Martian moons is still controversial.[13] The main hypotheses are that they formed either by

capture or by accretion. Because of the similarity to the composition of C- or D-type asteroids, one hypothesis is

that the moons may be objects captured into Martian orbit from the asteroid belt, with orbits that have been

circularized either by atmospheric drag or tidal forces.[14] Capture also requires dissipation of energy. The

current Mars atmosphere is too thin to capture a Phobos-sized object by atmospheric braking.[13] Geoffrey Landis

has pointed out that the capture could have occurred if the original body was a binary asteroid that separated due

to tidal forces.[16] The main alternative hypothesis is that the moons accreted in the present position. Another

hypothesis is that Mars was once surrounded by many Phobos- and Deimos-sized bodies, perhaps ejected into orbit

around it by a collision with a large planetesimal


Okay.....

I should have made my self more clear. Anyone knows that the dinosuars were hear millions of years ago..... I mean

million of millions of millions of years... haha I should have just said light years... Oh I did later on in the

post......

ummm that's what i just said.....


Support your theory please. I like theorys not claims of facts...


Again, quit telling me what you think you know... And start telling me how you know what you think.....


Distance in time.... is measured in what direction an object is moving in relation to the source... the sun.... The

planets do not move in a straight time line they move in orbits which travel much farther distances or time to

reach the sun.

The planets do not move in a straight time line towards the sun..... So why measure it's time in a straight line???

When you say the earth is 93 million miles away then it should take only 93000000/18.5 miles per second/60 seconds

in a min./60 min. in a hour/24 hours a day so.... ===== 58.183 days till earth falls into the sun if we follow you

time measurments.....




Read Above....

No time and light are not exactly the SAME thing. Light is a measuremeny tool for time and time isa measurement

tool for light. Example light years....... Time/Light.... One in the same......


I need a break haha... I'll be back.....

I just drew this up to help understand a little better.

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The description in the OP reminds me somehow of Kepler's idea of matching the planetary orbits to nested Platonic solids.

If the OP concept is meant to be general (that is, to apply not just to our solar system but any solar system anywhere) it does seem to run into a problem with more recent discoveries, where Jupiter-sized (or larger) planets have been discovered orbiting their suns at a distance that would be well within the orbit of Mercury (gas giants in orbit only a few million miles from their primary). If 'gas giant' is the default, or starting point in the hypothesis, and if one expects to see an evolution from gas giant to stripped planetary core with decreasing distance from the star, the existence of these hot gas giants appears to be a problem.

Is there an explanation?

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When you speak of solar systems you speak of and individual timeline separate from another solar system or timeline.

If you take it further then looking at other solar systems to compare information to this solar systm you get mixed up because no two solar systems will be alike... There is infinite amount of information out there so why can't gas planets orbit suns in OTHER solar systems.... Not this one though because certain random events which stem from uncertainty have occured just so that OUR gas giants are in the postition they are.

If you know a little about chemistry then think of planets colliding to make new planets with extremely different properties like atoms fusing with atoms to make new compounds.....

I have two big response posts that the mods haven't posted yet so keep checking back.....

In the mean time i drew up another idea....

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Maybe this helps....

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You have it backwards. Objects travel away from their core. In this case, it is the planets originating from the sun and traveling away from the sun and becoming cooler.

Check the second law of thermodynamics. Heat travels from hot to cold.

The planets came from the sun.

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Thats exactly what I've been trying to figure out... ; ) Do Suns produce planets in the "polarity" of time.....

But I also believe planets are spat forth from balck holes in reversals of time relative to the reversal..... get it? Suns and black holes both eat and produce planets both at the same time in opposite directions of time.

Kind of like particles popping in and out of existance.

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Thanks for the reply.

This suggests, to me, that every solar system is not just different quantitavely, but also qualitatively. I originally understood that the current structure of our solar system is due to a temporal, what, multiplication of a single planetary entity at different stages of its existence. You said

I took from this that your general theory would recapitulate a similar pattern in other solar systems moving inward toward the star. So, if the closest planet (or planetary appearance) is a gas giant, what form would its precursor take?

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If I understand,

You say that since our gas giants are in the loaction they are we should assume that the rest of the universe should follow the same model correct?

If this is what you mean I totally understand you.

My response would be, there is alot of crazy stuff going on out there.

Could be that these gas giants you speak of in other solar systems that orbit close to its lightsource are "heavy gases" like carbon vapor that can resist the heat or maybe the systems star is very small.

Please give me an example of a gas giant that orbits as close to it's sun as mercury does. Please include what it is believed to be made of so I can think about it some more.

Another visual before I retire...

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Have a look at this then, I just skimmed through it, but it may have some relevant info for your ideas:

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The research is for you to do, since you're presenting the ATM idea, but see if this leads you in the right direction - I can't say whether it's relevant to your argument.

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