Coast to Coast AM July 5, 2004 chat thread

[The Bad Astronomer]

Hi folks! I wanted to start a thread for people to talk about the C2C show tonight. Hopefully this will keep a half dozen of them from popping up on the board. I check the BABB constantly during the shows, to see what people are saying, but mostly in case y'all have any good comments I can use on the show. A hundred brains are better than one. Usually. 8)

Don't forget that Wolverine has the PalTalk room open (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=14453), and he will be streaming the show for those of you who otherwise can't hear it.

The show starts at 10:00 p.m. Pacific (US) time, and I'll be on around 11:00.

Hope to see you here tonight!

[Jpax2003]

Should this thread be sticky so you can find it easier when you're in the heat of debate?

[Grand_Lunar]

Just read the page on McCanney's nonsense. Shows that there's no shortage of psedoscientists out there.
I was a bit confused on the part about solar wind. BA write that the wind is ionized, but electrically neutral. I'm curious what the difference is. I know when something is ionized it either gains or loses electrons. But how is it electrically neutral?

[Tobin Dax]

Just read the page on McCanney's nonsense. Shows that there's no shortage of psedoscientists out there.
I was a bit confused on the part about solar wind. BA write that the wind is ionized, but electrically neutral. I'm curious what the difference is. I know when something is ionized it either gains or loses electrons. But how is it electrically neutral?

Electrically neutral means that there is no net charge. For each positive charge (a proton, for instance), there is one negative charge (an electron), so the wind as a whole doesn't have any total electrical charge. A box of atoms is electrically neutral. If the atoms in that box were ionized, but no electrons escaped the box, the box would still be electrically neutral.

To keep the post on topic, I agree that making it sticky (at least for the next few days) is a good idea.

[Glom]

Doesn't this belong in GA?

[milli360]

Jpax2003:
Should this thread be sticky so you can find it easier when you're in the heat of debate?
It's a simple url
Glom:
Doesn't this belong in GA?
No, BABBling. I think the keyword is C2C. :)

[CUStudent]

Really looking foreward to the show, go get 'em Phil! :D

[AZgazer]

Is subscribing to C2C the only way to get this? Does anyone know of a station that broadcasts over the net so that I can listen to it?

[Lycus]

Is subscribing to C2C the only way to get this? Does anyone know of a station that broadcasts over the net so that I can listen to it?
Go here. (http://www.cfun.com/listenlive.asp)

[AZgazer]

Is subscribing to C2C the only way to get this? Does anyone know of a station that broadcasts over the net so that I can listen to it?
Go here. (http://www.cfun.com/listenlive.asp)

Cool, thanks. I had found it on two other stations but they were requiring I DL some MS surfernet stuff to listen and run it off of IE. 8)

[Jpax2003]

Don't you have a bearby radio station carrying it? I am listening on WLS AM 890 out of Chicago, at 50MW. Although it is staticy due to nearby thunderstorms.

[AZgazer]

Don't you have a bearby radio station carrying it? I am listening on WLS AM 890 out of Chicago, at 50MW. Although it is staticy due to nearby thunderstorms.

Closest I foung was one out of Bloomington and there is no way to pick that up at all except over the net. To be honest, I prefer net casts for AM, it's so much easier and better sounding IMO. :wink:

[PhantomWolf]

Sheeze the adds go for ever, Finally to Phil. ;)

[R.A.F.]

I'm listening...cool!

[Maksutov]

It would be good to point out that you can see the entire Southern sky WITHOUT going to Antarctica!

Let 'em have it, Phil!

[Maksutov]

Hoagland hasn't taken down his claim that Cassini will be likely destroyed by the SOI.

But now he is claiming that hyperdimensional space is what prevented the catastrophe, by slowing down Saturn's rotational rate.
It's all here (http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/06-30-2004_Cassini/addendum-cassin_imission.htm).

[Morrolan]

i can't hear it anywhere... :(

[PhantomWolf]

*Gasp*

Phil's responsible for BA with that comment.

I bet he can't scientifically prove that people having different beliefs really makes the world go around. #-o

;)

[R.A.F.]

The BA has a day job.??? :lol:

[PhantomWolf]

i can't hear it anywhere... :(

Try here (http://www.cfun.com/listenlive.asp)

[Maksutov]

*Gasp*

Phil's responsible for BA with that comment.

I bet he can't scientifically prove that people having different beliefs really makes the world go around. #-o

;)

That's called "being nice". :D

[R.A.F.]

i can't hear it anywhere... :(

I'm listening from the link that Lycus posted above...it works just fine.

[Maksutov]

The BA has a day job.??? :lol:

Even more incredible, what's all this talk about a Bad Astronomy website??? :wink:

BTW, remind me to skip those (*^$&* liver drops. :)

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[Morrolan]

i can't hear it anywhere... :(

Try here (http://www.cfun.com/listenlive.asp)

nope, my office firewall blocks these sites (which may be a good thing)

[Maksutov]

i can't hear it anywhere... :(

Try here (http://www.cfun.com/listenlive.asp)

nope, my office firewall blocks these sites (which may be a good thing)

Try a variety of players. Usually one will get by the firewall. Good luck, great show so far... =D>

[R.A.F.]

What in the heck are kidney drops?

[Morrolan]

Try a variety of players. Usually one will get by the firewall. Good luck, great show so far... =D>

which could work if i had the possibility to install other players... which i don't as it is blocked by Admin too....

anyway, i'm off topic, so never mind, i'll read the transcript.

[PhantomWolf]

Good luck, great show so far...

Except for the -------- ads. The shows been over 50% ads so far... AGHHHHHHHHHHHH!



8-[

[Maksutov]

What in the heck are kidney drops?

A product that was being advertized ad infinitum just before the BA came on. Don't ask about the symptoms that were being treated... :roll:

[Maksutov]

Good luck, great show so far...

Except for the -------- ads. The shows been over 50% ads so far... AGHHHHHHHHHHHH!



8-[

As with TV, I don't consider the ads to be part of the show. 8)

[xah]

It would be great if Phil could explain how we could see a comet that was heading right at Earth, because the tail may only be visible from the side.

[Maksutov]

Excellent points why not to debate Hoagland, et al anymore.

Why keep beating your head against the wall? :roll:

[R.A.F.]

Talking about Cassini now...

[PhantomWolf]

It would be great if Phil could explain how we could see a comet that was heading right at Earth, because the tail may only be visible from the side.

Welcome to the board xah. Actually if it was coming directly at us like that it'd miss because the Earth is moving. If a comet was going to hit us then it would actually be on an intercept course sort of like two cars coming up to a crossroads, and so we'd be able to see the tail. Hope that helps. :)

[Maksutov]

It would be great if Phil could explain how we could see a comet that was heading right at Earth, because the tail may only be visible from the side.

First, welcome to the BABB.

Second, often the largest feature of a comet is its coma, which surrounds the nucleus in all directions. So for these comets (and just about all comets, since I pretty sure 99% of them have comas), the direction of the approach would have little (pardon me) impact on its being observable.

[Morrolan]

It would be great if Phil could explain how we could see a comet that was heading right at Earth, because the tail may only be visible from the side.

the tail always points away from the sun, irrespective of the direction the comet is travelling in. there will almost certainly be a moment where we will see it 'sideways'. i'm not an expert, but i'm guessing there's more light to be seen from a comet than just the tail.

[edit: as Maksutov has pointed out]

oh and welcome to the board... :)

[R.A.F.]

Unknown but not unknowable...I like that!

[PhantomWolf]

Uranus' Rings were discovered in 1977

[jt-3d]

Hey I'm actually here when something is happening. I guess this is BA talking now?

[Maksutov]

Unknown but not unknowable...I like that!

The voice of reason and true scientific inquiry! =D>

[Maksutov]

Hey I'm actually here when something is happening. I guess this is BA talking now?

Yup. Check on page one for links to internet radio.

[PhantomWolf]

BA needs a calendar, the Transit was last month, June 8th, not 2 months ago. Let's by him one for Christmas.

[R.A.F.]

False color images...AAARRGGG!!!!

[Maksutov]

False color images...AAARRGGG!!!!

You have to wonder who chooses these false colors. When it comes to new planetscapes, where we know there's just rocks and ice, green and blue should be verboten! :roll:

[Maksutov]

BA needs a calendar, the Transit was last month, June 8th, not 2 months ago. Let's by him one for Christmas.

Yeah, by then 2004 calendars should be going for practically nothing! :wink:

[R.A.F.]

False color images...AAARRGGG!!!!

You have to wonder who chooses these false colors.

If I'm correct...the "false colors" represent different wavelengths and this helps scientists determine what they are "seeing".

[Maksutov]

One interesting thing about the commercial breaks: there sure is a wide variety of accents on Canadian radio!

[xah]

Thanks for all the welcomes.

It does seem that if a comet came in at the "wrong" angle we would see the tail only at a very oblique angle. Might be tough to spot.

In any case, there would be two different types of problems here. The first is a comet that is actually on a collision course with the sun and also collision course with Earth, but it will hit the Earth first. Here, the tail is pointed directly away from the sun, likely at nearly a 90 degree angle. The tail on such a comet could be difficult to spot from Earth. Once we get the astronomy station set up on Mars (!), though, no problem.

The second would be a comet that is in orbit around the sun. This type of comet would be easier to spot, even if it was on a collision course with Earth.

Then there's the coma.

Does that sound right?

[Maksutov]

False color images...AAARRGGG!!!!

You have to wonder who chooses these false colors.

If I'm correct...the "false colors" represent different wavelengths and this helps scientists determine what they are "seeing".

Yes, but...let's look at infrared. There are no visible colors that match up. In other words, the choices re the visible colors that represent the "invisible" colors/wavelengths, IIRC, are completely arbitrary. So green and blue could be left out as appropriate. Lots of other colors to choose from. :)

[Maksutov]

I'm a skeptic and I'm proud of it!

[01101001]

You have to wonder who chooses these false colors. When it comes to new planetscapes, where we know there's just rocks and ice, green and blue should be verboten!
That leaves purple, red, orange, yellow. Then people will think a false-colored subject is on fire. That would probably be an improvement, though.

It might help if they stuck the text "FALSE COLORS! Green is not vegetation! Blue is not oceans!" in the image all over anything not important, just to remind people. It seems like mere captions and attached explanatory text often get ignored.

[R.A.F.]

A skeptic asks for "evidence"...a debunker takes "bunk" and debunks it!

Good questions tonight!

[AZgazer]

Been busy listening to the show, first time catching him live. Great interview, I could do with a little more BA and less ADs, but I suppose that is the price for free talk shows eh?

Xah welcome to the board BTW.

Glad he passed on Richard C. I do not see anything good coming from that. Although I would love to hear it just to have the BA tear him up, it would serve no real purpose and the odds of it turning nasty fast are too high.

[PhantomWolf]

Rule #1 of debate, if you start throwing insults, you've already lost.

[Maksutov]

Paid disinfo agent, eh? Show 'em your paystub, Phil! :D

[R.A.F.]

Silly laugh Phil! :lol:

[AZgazer]

Phil's a GDA? :wink:
OMG :o

[Maksutov]

You have to wonder who chooses these false colors. When it comes to new planetscapes, where we know there's just rocks and ice, green and blue should be verboten!
That leaves purple, red, orange, yellow. Then people will think a false-colored subject is on fire. That would probably be an improvement, though.

It might help if they stuck the text "FALSE COLORS! Green is not vegetation! Blue is not oceans!" in the image all over anything not important, just to remind people. It seems like mere captions and attached explanatory text often get ignored.

Good points. We're in agreement. 8)

[Maksutov]

Good thing this is radio, so we can't see the facial tic! :wink:

[R.A.F.]

NASA made a huge mistake when they stopped sending men to the Moon...YEAH!!!

[AZgazer]

Whackiest idea ever? This should be good...

[R.A.F.]

Beware the deadly photon belt.

[Maksutov]

NASA made a huge mistake when they stopped sending men to the Moon...YEAH!!!

Here, here!

Long-term project planning...don't leave Earth without it.

[Maksutov]

Beware the deadly photon belt.

Glad Phil eventually torpedoed that!

[R.A.F.]

Sitchin....AAARRRRGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!

[Maksutov]

I wonder if the Velikovsky estate has ever tried to sue Lieder?

[Kesh]

Darnit, I forgot about this until now! Ah well. Maybe I'll catch a recording later...

[AZgazer]

I wonder if Phil will catch flack for repeatably questioning Pluto's planet status?

[Maksutov]

Sitchin....AAARRRRGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!

Noorey's just going down the list... :roll:

[R.A.F.]

Velikovsky...AARRRRGGGG!!!!!!

[Maksutov]

Velikovsky...AARRRRGGGG!!!!!!

Could see it coming... :roll:

[R.A.F.]

Aw yes....the profit motive.

[jt-3d]

This is great to actually hear rather than hear about. Profiteering, uhoh.

[Maksutov]

Plus there are the impossible fluid dynamics of a 100% Venus-Earth atmosphere exchange... :-?

[AZgazer]

This is great to actually hear rather than hear about. Profiteering, uhoh.

Definately cool to catch it live for once! :D

[Maksutov]

They certainly use scare tactics to try to sell their own books...

[Maksutov]

Here comes ET!

Prediction: Phil: at least bacteria, Noorey, LGM.


(veggy jerky being discussed right now, how about back bacon?)



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[PhantomWolf]

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o

OMG The sun is gunna go supernova and kill us all unless we buy BA's $20 pamphlets as a sun shield!!!!!!!! 8-[


:lol:

[AZgazer]

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o

OMG The sun is gunna go supernova and kill us all unless we buy BA's $20 pamphlets as a sun shield!!!!!!!! 8-[


:lol:

I am holding out for the coat (for the cold dark coming times) with the SN reflective hood! :P

[R.A.F.]

[quote="Maksutov"]Here comes ET!

Prediction: Phil: at least bacteria, Nooey, LGM.[quote]

My prediction: Phil: ET could be "out there" but the distances preclude them being here...

[Maksutov]

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o

OMG The sun is gunna go supernova and kill us all unless we buy BA's $20 pamphlets as a sun shield!!!!!!!! 8-[


:lol:

I am holding out for the coat (for the cold dark coming times) with the SN reflective hood! :P

I'm crawling under my rug.

[AZgazer]

I predict the only ET is on a million VHS tapes and DVDs. :wink:

[R.A.F.]

How would you like to feel 10 years younger in just 10 weeks...:lol:

[AZgazer]

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o

OMG The sun is gunna go supernova and kill us all unless we buy BA's $20 pamphlets as a sun shield!!!!!!!! 8-[


:lol:

I am holding out for the coat (for the cold dark coming times) with the SN reflective hood! :P

I'm crawling under my rug.

Make sure you shave that rug man, I'd hate to lose ya to a flash fire!

[PhantomWolf]

I predict the only ET is on a million VHS tapes and DVDs. :wink:

I have ET on my bookshelf. Special Edition DVD. ;)

[R.A.F.]

GO Mars Rovers...YEAH!!!!

[Maksutov]

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o

OMG The sun is gunna go supernova and kill us all unless we buy BA's $20 pamphlets as a sun shield!!!!!!!! 8-[


:lol:

I am holding out for the coat (for the cold dark coming times) with the SN reflective hood! :P

I'm crawling under my rug.

Make sure you shave that rug man, I'd hate to lose ya to a flash fire!

Thanks. Now where did I put my 3-D glasses?

[PhantomWolf]

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o

OMG The sun is gunna go supernova and kill us all unless we buy BA's $20 pamphlets as a sun shield!!!!!!!! 8-[


:lol:

I am holding out for the coat (for the cold dark coming times) with the SN reflective hood! :P

I'm crawling under my rug.


Is it a hard rug or a soft rug? Do you only use it for escapism or is it used for recreation as well?

[AZgazer]

Gonna go lay in bed and just listen now, awesome show and thanks again to Lycos (?) who provided the Vancouver radio link. :)

[Maksutov]

Stalagmites

[R.A.F.]

No evidence of "artifacts" on Mars.

[Maksutov]

All my rugs were purchased legally. 8)

[Maksutov]

Pattern recognition: That's where Lowell's Martian canals came from...

[PhantomWolf]

Phil says, "There is no evidence of intelligence on Mars...."



I wonder about Earth on occasion.

[R.A.F.]

Keep on "plugging" the site, Phil...maybe we can get some "fence sitters" here...and help them out!

[PhantomWolf]

Talking about SWIFT and massive super nova huting, and now onto ET's.

[Maksutov]

Good talk by Phil on semantics around the words "belief/believe" and what they really mean, leading into ET/UFOs/etc.


[edit/add word]

[Maksutov]

A new catch phrase, "Throw some monkeys in the wrench." :D

[R.A.F.]

Can Nooney STOP interupting!!

[Maksutov]

Good talk on the diffusion theory. :)

Possible, sure.
Probable...nah...

Good stuff!

[R.A.F.]

Ancient art work...no supporting evidence for alien space ships..

[jt-3d]

Oh no, the woowoo hotline is coming up. yaarrrr

[Maksutov]

Can Nooney STOP interupting!!

Nope, that's his job. Probably has a word quota. :wink:

Good job taking care of Erik von.

[The Bad Astronomer]

Cripes, yeah, the transit was not even a month ago, What was I thinking?

The monkey in the wrench phrase was something I said for years, and then Bruce Willis said it in Die Hard and I nearly had a heart attack. :-)

[R.A.F.]

Possible, sure.
Probable...nah...

Good stuff!

Yeah I liked that!

[R.A.F.]

Fleetwood Mac...AAARRRRGGGG!!!!!

[xah]

A lot talked about tonight, not much said.

[Maksutov]

A lot talked about tonight, not much said.

Seems to me one person has said a lot, as in providing quite a bit of useful information. Which show are you tuned to?

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[R.A.F.]

Darn...I keep loseing the connection!!

[Maksutov]

Darn...I keep loseing the connection!!

Are you tuned into CFUN?

[R.A.F.]

Yeah...hey the BA just mentioned Wolverine.

[Maksutov]

First call: those old Martian atmospheric blues!

[Maksutov]

Yeah...hey the BA just mentioned Wolverine.

Kudos to Wolverine, especially for the medieval art link!

[R.A.F.]

Good explanation of Mars' sky color!

[Maksutov]

Periodic mass extinctions due to astronomical causes. 8)

[Maksutov]

BTW, the Permian extinction now seems to be the result of only terrestrial causes. Not enough iridium, etc. (my mention, not Phil's)

[jt-3d]

Do all these talk show guys just call each other?

[PhantomWolf]

back to UFO's and ET's *sigh*

[Maksutov]

Uh oh, a true UFO believer...what will we take as convincing evidence?

[Maksutov]

Do all these talk show guys just call each other?

I was wondering that too. Any HAM people on here, were some of those HAM, etc. call letters?

[R.A.F.]

Does the caller have a question...OH...

[R.A.F.]

I need something better...YEAH!!

[jt-3d]

Do all these talk show guys just call each other?

I was wondering that too. Any HAM people on here, were some of those HAM, etc. call letters?

Nope, those would all have a number in them. They sounded like radio stations.

KE5BWT here

[R.A.F.]

Why does Nooney keep calling Phil, Phillip?

[Maksutov]

Do all these talk show guys just call each other?

I was wondering that too. Any HAM people on here, were some of those HAM, etc. call letters?

Nope, those would all have a number in them. They sounded like radio stations.

KE5BWT here

Thanks for the info!

[Maksutov]

Why does Nooney keep calling Phil, Phillip?

Well, he is Philip Plait after all.

I think it has something to do with verbal signals as to how George feels about what's going on. You can also read his voice tone as to whether or not he agrees with what Phil's saying or where he's going. 8)

[R.A.F.]

You can also read his voice tone as to whether or not he agrees with what Phil's saying or where he's going. 8)

Yeah, I noticed that.

[Maksutov]

Byrds Eight Miles High.

Surprised it wasn't Mr. Spaceman

[R.A.F.]

Tomorrow night cold fusion...:lol:

[R.A.F.]

The Dogons....AAARRRRGGGGG!!!!

[jt-3d]

Oh I get it, they are just saying what station they listen to the show on. I haven't listened to talk radio in a long time hehe.

[Maksutov]

If you can't identify it, to you it's a UFO. But it's not necessarily an ET craft.

Whoa, black balloons for Phil later this year!

[PhantomWolf]

Swamp gas? Venus? Phil, you need to work on the sense of humor. ;)

[Maksutov]

Oh I get it, they are just saying what station they listen to the show on. I haven't listened to talk radio in a long time hehe.

Same here as you could already tell. :)

[Maksutov]

Prosecution is attempting to lead the witness!

And failing miserably.

George! [-X

[Maksutov]

Ah, straight lines, right angles on Mars. More photo interpretation. 10 years for Mariner to get to Mars. What is this guy talking about? Good luck, Phil. #-o

[jt-3d]

Ah, that was cool. Well done, Phil.

[Maksutov]

I think George mispronounced Plait right at the end.

:roll:

Great job, Phil! =D> =D> =D>

[Wolverine]

Fun fun fun. :D

[Maksutov]

Fun fun fun. :D

Hey, it's the now-famous Wolverine! :)

Would have joined all of you on the chat but PalTalk decided to crash just before the show, and there was not enough time to reinstall it (yup, a really BC (bad crash))... :-?

[R.A.F.]

BA, I think it was smart to not get
"bogged down" in the details of all the "theory's"...I think that it was most important that you gave insight into how a scientists mind "works", and why a scientist doesn't agree with these "type" of things...well done!!!

Oh, should we be buying wolverine a larger hat?? :)

[Wolverine]

Hey, it's the now-famous Wolverine! :)

Would have joined all of you on the chat but PalTalk decided to crash just before the show, and there was not enough time to reinstall it (yup, a really BC (bad crash))... :-?

Hey! That's infamous... or something... :lol:

No worries, the Paltalk room will certainly be around, the group's been #1 in the category for a while now. Very cool! (Although it is the middle of the night...)

[Kesh]

Finally found a local station to listen... and it's not Phil anymore. :( Who's this other guy, and what's he on about with trucks and such?

[Grand_Lunar]

Hoagland hasn't taken down his claim that Cassini will be likely destroyed by the SOI.

But now he is claiming that hyperdimensional space is what prevented the catastrophe, by slowing down Saturn's rotational rate.
It's all here (http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/06-30-2004_Cassini/addendum-cassin_imission.htm).

Just read Hoagland's claims. He's just nuts! N-V-T-S! Nuts!
By the way, what's the REAL reason Saturn seems to have slowed down?
Also, where I can find times for when C2C is on the air in different area? In particular, I'm looking for times and station for Norfolk, VA, and Fort Lauderdale, FL.

[Gmann]

times and station for Norfolk, VA, and Fort Lauderdale, FL.

Your times should be 0100 EDT (the show starts at 2200 PDT) as for local stations. Go to "Coasttocoast.com" and go to the affiliates list, this should give you local stations that you can tune into.


Finally found a local station to listen... and it's not Phil anymore. Who's this other guy, and what's he on about with trucks and such?

You may have been listening to the first hour. Some affiliates rebroadcast the 1st hour to fill the original 5 hour time slot to kill time until their local morning show begins. George was interveiwing Stephen Quayle in the first hour of the show. He is known for having "unique" views.

[Avian]

Great job again, as always Phil. Don't debate Richard Hoagland. It's like trying to debate someone's personal delusions. You guys just aren't even in the same Universe - there is very little common ground to debate upon.

I was surprised at how angry and hurt these people are with people with any skepticism toward UFOs, alien civilzations on Mars, or anything that brings them down to earth to a little place we like to call reality.

Is there anything we can do to keep Bad Astronomy in print?

Avian (Davin)

[Master258]

I am so sleeply right now! Cost starts at 12 and ends at 4 am! And I listen to it all! Not that I'm not sorry I did it though. The show was great.

[The Bad Astronomer]

Thanks, everyone! I really appreciate the support.

[Cylinder]

I think George mispronounced Plait right at the end.

OK, I'll bite....Is it "plate" or "platt"? (Seriously.) #-o

[ToSeek]

I think George mispronounced Plait right at the end.

OK, I'll bite....Is it "plate" or "platt"? (Seriously.) #-o

It's "plate."

[Lycus]

On Noory's recap page, he has posted many messages that he's received from listeners regarding Phil's decision not to debate Hoagland, McCanney, etc.

Check it out:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2004/07/05.html#recap

[Mars]

On Noory's recap page, he has posted many messages that he's received from listeners regarding Phil's decision not to debate Hoagland, McCanney, etc.

Check it out:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2004/07/05.html#recap

Someone said Phil didn't have what it takes to go toe to toe with Hoagland.

ROFLMAO

Martians did strip the Rover in the Diet Pepsi Commercial, Hoagland may have a leg to stand on.....hahahahahaha

[Mars]

Hoagland can't be all wrong, I do have a face.

[Mainframes]

Missed the show. Is there anywhere that has the show archived for later listening?

[Togusa]

Missed the show. Is there anywhere that has the show archived for later listening?
Here (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/) on the C2C website. Click on the "Monday, July 5, 2004" link. :D

[SciFi Chick]

Some of those people are soooo annoying! The last one remains "100% in support of Hoagland" because "we all make mistakes". What?! When was the last time anyone heard Richard Hoagland admit to a mistake? If he did, we would all take him more seriously.

When NASA clarified that the "face" was just a mesa with accurate photography, if Hoagland had admitted his errors, I might be interested in other things he had to say. Instead, he twists what he wants to his advantage and ignores the rest.

Top this off with having to read his supporters accusing Phil Plait of the very thing Hoagland does, and my head wants to explode!!! :evil:

[Lycus]

Here (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/) on the C2C website. Click on the "Monday, July 5, 2004" link. :D
Though that's only for subscribers to the website.

[Togusa]

Here (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/) on the C2C website. Click on the "Monday, July 5, 2004" link. :D
Though that's only for subscribers to the website.
D'oh! #-o

[R.A.F.]

When NASA clarified that the "face" was just a mesa with accurate photography, if Hoagland had admitted his errors, I might be interested in other things he had to say.

It really is worse than "that"!

For years, Hoagland cried and cried..."If NASA would only re-image the area, and if it were shown that it was not a "face", then he would be satisfied with the result."

So what does NASA do? They re-image the area at a higher resolution, proving that it didn't resemble a "face" at all.

So did Hoagland change his "tune"? HECK NO!! He STILL "blathers" on and on about this and that, proving IMO, that NO EVIDENCE would change his mind.

Hardly objective reasoning.

[Tranquility]

Hoagland can't be all wrong, I do have a face.

ROFLMAO :lol: :lol:

[boppa]

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o

OMG The sun is gunna go supernova and kill us all unless we buy BA's $20 pamphlets as a sun shield!!!!!!!! 8-[


:lol:

I am holding out for the coat (for the cold dark coming times) with the SN reflective hood! :P

I'm crawling under my rug.

but is your rugs o/s stable or prone to crashing :-(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/boppa/humour/rugbsod.jpg

stamps on wriggling bump under rug
jumps on the wriggly bump
yuck


oh sorry-wipes gooey stuff off boot



Hey has anyone seen Maksutov around???????

;-)

[theholycrap]

no don't know him

[theholycrap]

anyone here

[theholycrap]

ok i guess i wil talk to my self

[mickal555]

HI
Togusa Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:02 am Post subject:

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Lycus wrote:
Togusa wrote:
Here on the C2C website. Click on the "Monday, July 5, 2004" link.

Though that's only for subscribers to the website.

D'oh!
Is there anywere else I can find an audio clip or a transcript

HI
[
Is there anywere else I can find an audio clip or a transcript

TRY?

http://www.kboo.fm

by the way
I still see me on YOUR member list
but never can log on when I try2
I click on the forgot password
but never recieve any responce .. HUB ??

UM? what time are you talking about { 10:44AM pst ?= 1844 UTC ? }

[mickal555]

HI
[
Is there anywere else I can find an audio clip or a transcript

TRY?

http://www.kboo.fm

by the way
I still see me on YOUR member list
but never can log on when I try2
I click on the forgot password
but never recieve any responce .. HUB ??

UM? what time are you talking about { 10:44AM pst ?= 1844 UTC ? }

Re you logging in as- HUb' -because I changed you username to this from - hub -because I thought well that was your name........

HI
[
Is there anywere else I can find an audio clip or a transcript

TRY?

http://www.kboo.fm

by the way
I still see me on YOUR member list
but never can log on when I try2
I click on the forgot password
but never recieve any responce .. HUB ??

UM? what time are you talking about { 10:44AM pst ?= 1844 UTC ? }

Re you logging in as- HUb' -because I changed you username to this from - hub -because I thought well that was your name........
9:23AM PST ok? well it worked today 1st time
by the time i got to the math lab NH465 my "Maple" folder was gone (Darn)
I did update my web site for hit count

[mickal555]

HI
[
Is there anywere else I can find an audio clip or a transcript

TRY?

http://www.kboo.fm

by the way
I still see me on YOUR member list
but never can log on when I try2
I click on the forgot password
but never recieve any responce .. HUB ??

UM? what time are you talking about { 10:44AM pst ?= 1844 UTC ? }

Re you logging in as- HUb' -because I changed you username to this from - hub -because I thought well that was your name........
9:23AM PST ok? well it worked today 1st time
by the time i got to the math lab NH465 my "Maple" folder was gone (Darn)
I did update my web site for hit count


Cool 8) the hit counts are great I have a couple too