Remember "Event Horizon"?

[jeloop]

Well it wasn't a real great lasting cult movie. But I thought it had an interesting premise. Considering how it relates to the question of "is there anything outside of the universe?" in the Against the Mainstream category here.

Basically, black holes lead to hell? I know it's been done to death by sci-fi like Steven Baxter's books of "escaping" the universe through a black hole.
But just suppose God made the laws of nature and physics to restrict humans to earth and a limited physical existence, yet there is evidence that black holes and wormholes may lead to an alternate universe, but in Event Horizon's case it leads to hell.

Maybe something to do with the idea that there is no escaping a black hole and that it even consumes light. A place to imprison the devil and his minions for a thousands years and then forever etc..

[Sheki]

Given the amount that is known about black holes etc, sure, they could lead to "hell". But they could just as easily lead to nowhere, Disneyland, my bathroom, nirvana, the Halls of Mandos, etc etc.

You should keep Occam's razor in mind whenever considering ideas like this. Any solution that requires the construction of an entire specialized belief system/religion is an unecessarily complex solution.

Sheki

[Jpax2003]

You should keep Occam's razor in mind whenever considering ideas like this. Any solution that requires the construction of an entire specialized belief system/religion is an unecessarily complex solution.wasn't Occam a theologian? I don't think his intent was to construct a concept that destroyed his belief system.

[Sheki]

Yes, he was a "theologian", but that was pretty much the only path to wisdom at the time. Perhaps this will clarify this apparent enigma for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_Ockham

Sheki

[Jpax2003]

Yes, he was a "theologian", but that was pretty much the only path to wisdom at the time. Perhaps this will clarify this apparent enigma for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_of_OckhamI prefer this entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occams_razor). It explaines where the "enigmas" appear and many of their errors.

[Sigma_Orionis]

Singularities as the pathways to hell? Sounds like DOOM to me :) (Although in the game you don't use singularities, it's implied that an experiment in matter transportation gone awry opened the gates of Hell, in any case Event Horizon came out afterwards)

[MoonToMars]

Well it wasn't a real great lasting cult movie. But I thought it had an interesting premise. Considering how it relates to the question of "is there anything outside of the universe?" in the Against the Mainstream category here.

Basically, black holes lead to hell? I know it's been done to death by sci-fi like Steven Baxter's books of "escaping" the universe through a black hole.
But just suppose God made the laws of nature and physics to restrict humans to earth and a limited physical existence, yet there is evidence that black holes and wormholes may lead to an alternate universe, but in Event Horizon's case it leads to hell.

Maybe something to do with the idea that there is no escaping a black hole and that it even consumes light. A place to imprison the devil and his minions for a thousands years and then forever etc..

You sound like a person who believes in hell. So, I will ask a different type of question.

Do you believe that Hell is an "eternal punnishment?"

How can you be completely seperated from God, yet ALIVE in hell?

[Krevel]

IIRC, it wasn't a black hole but part of the "jumpdrive" in the engine room that opened up the gateway to hell. More of a singularity in the Doom or Half Life tradition.

It was an alright movie in the sci-fi/horror genre. They sure were a bunch of idiots, though!

[Avatar28]

IIRC, it wasn't a black hole but part of the "jumpdrive" in the engine room that opened up the gateway to hell. More of a singularity in the Doom or Half Life tradition.

It was an alright movie in the sci-fi/horror genre. They sure were a bunch of idiots, though!

No, I don't think so. You see the ship jump. The entire ship went to hell. You see the drive activate and forms a black hole that starts sucking everything into it. The ship falls into the black hole and presumably comes out the other side in hell.

[stu]

I don't know about you guys, but when I saw that movie my roommate and I had to sleep with the lights on that night. I absolutely refuse to watch it ever again.

[NGR]

I don't know about you guys, but when I saw that movie my roommate and I had to sleep with the lights on that night. I absolutely refuse to watch it ever again.

I agree with you about that film. It did have an unsettling effect on me as well.

[Morrolan]

i liked that movie a lot... :)

[Gullible Jones]

I saw it once and thought it was pretty good. I just loved the business where the guy couldn't disarm the bomb just in the nick of time.

And the ending...

"Don't worry, we're safe, everything's alright."

*SLAM* (airlock shuts by itself)

Don't know what's so disturbing about it though. I slept quite soundly afterwards... Then again, I have a habit of doing that, even after some rather gruesome turkeys. :P (Read: "Reanimator"... "Return of the Reanimator"... "Frankenstein", though that one really deserves its own thread...)

[Morrolan]

"Reanimator

:lol: =D> that was such a funny movie... almost of the same level as 'Evil Dead' (one, two, etcetera...)

[Gullible Jones]

Well yeah, the whole "Reanimator" series was so godawful that it was unintentionally hilarious. Sometimes a horror movie really outdoes itself and ends up being a comedy.

(Though it seems that it was originally intended to have at least some element of humor in the first place...)

[Morrolan]

(Though it seems that it was originally intended to have at least some element of humor in the first place...)

true, however it's the ones that take themselves seriously that are really funny...

[iFire]

I saw Event Horizen on the SciFi channal last year. Damned movie still messes with me late at night when my imagination is better. :( :o

I did like it though...

[The Supreme Canuck]

I love it. My friend, on the other hand, refuses to watch it. Ah, well.

[Mrdomination]

When my best friend and I watched it, we loved it....

He said it was the most messed up concept since DOOM...

And I agreed, and still do. It scared me like no other Horror movie did, or has to this day. I loved every second of it.

What I also love, is the lack of critism about this movie in this forum (as of this writing). Every other movie I've ever seen discussed in here has recieved paragraphs of critism. But this one lacks such criticing.

Is it that Event Horrizon has "good science", or has no one got around to it yet?

[Doodler]

I liked it myself, thought of the plot in terms of a Hellraiser in Space. If anything, I'll forgive the FTL handwaving Gate to Hell crap because they got the idea of long term accelleration and high G survival in space pretty close to the mark. In fact, there were more than a few elements of working in space I thought they did well. CO2 scrubbing, vacuum exposure, zero gravity movement, and I still get a chuckle about the guy who was on the hull of the Louis and Clark when it exploded who had to use his onboard air supply as reaction mass (even if it was a LITTLE over the top).

[mid]

I've got it on laser. I saw it in the cinema, and felt really cheated when everything went supernatural, because the trailers and hard(ish) science opening led me to think it was going to be an Alien type thing. Instead it ends up being The Shining In Space.

Bought the score CD, because its Orbital and Michael Kamen, and really very good.

Then bought the laserdisc because it was cheap, and I feel a little silly having scores and not their films. Now I go into it allowing the whole supernatural thing to happen, and rather like the film.

[Avatar28]

Okay, now all this talk is making me want to see this movie again. That is, once I move and can put it in and crank it on my HT system. God it'll be good to be able to do that.

[NoXion]

I've seen it, loved it. Everyone else I know refuses to watch it again because it's 'nasty'. I have to agree, the speed at which it turns from clean and clinical sci-fi to brutal and ogrish 'other side' horror is gut churning, but's that's one of the reasons I like it. It was pulse-racing but unlike 'The Thing' didn't keep me awake at night.

[iFire]

I just see the designer guy how he looked after he "died" and then I can't sleep for an hour or two....

[papageno]

It seems that I am the only one that was not very impressed by this film.

The idea that a ship went through the dimension of hell just makes me :roll:
Why should this hell be evil in a human sense?
Why not simply non-human and incomprehensible to humans?

[The Supreme Canuck]

Maybe it was so incomprehensible that it drove them mad and only seemed like hell?

[tracer]

The problems with this movie started way before they made contact with Hell.

The spacecraft was supposed to be parked in orbit around Neptune. Its orbit was slowly decaying, so that it was slowly spiralling in toward the planet. Okay, fair enough. But when they find it, there are whisps of Neptune's upper atmosphere visible around the spacecraft, and it's still in orbit! If it were really still in orbit, those whisps of Neptunian clouds would be slamming into its hull at thousands of miles per hour. It could only have remained in that state for a few minutes before aerobraking sent it straight into Neptune's core.

Apparently, the producers think that "orbiting" a planet is the same thing as hovering over it.

[Thargoid]

Well it wasn't a real great lasting cult movie. But I thought it had an interesting premise. Considering how it relates to the question of "is there anything outside of the universe?" in the Against the Mainstream category here.

Basically, black holes lead to hell? I know it's been done to death by sci-fi like Steven Baxter's books of "escaping" the universe through a black hole.
But just suppose God made the laws of nature and physics to restrict humans to earth and a limited physical existence, yet there is evidence that black holes and wormholes may lead to an alternate universe, but in Event Horizon's case it leads to hell.

Maybe something to do with the idea that there is no escaping a black hole and that it even consumes light. A place to imprison the devil and his minions for a thousands years and then forever etc..

I like how that guy stuck body parts into the black hole and was able to get them out again. :D

[Thargoid]

I've seen it, loved it. Everyone else I know refuses to watch it again because it's 'nasty'. I have to agree, the speed at which it turns from clean and clinical sci-fi to brutal and ogrish 'other side' horror is gut churning, but's that's one of the reasons I like it. It was pulse-racing but unlike 'The Thing' didn't keep me awake at night.

Oh yeah, it was a pretty normal, alright Sci Fi movie until some point half way through.

Then things got wierd. :o

[Damburger]

I was always puzzled by a propulsion system that sent the vessel through a black hole that was kept inside the engine room.

Most spaceships don't like being turned inside out....

[Humphrey]

Welcome Damburger! :-D

[Damburger]

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8) hi

[Kesh]

IIRC, it wasn't a black hole but part of the "jumpdrive" in the engine room that opened up the gateway to hell. More of a singularity in the Doom or Half Life tradition.

It was an alright movie in the sci-fi/horror genre. They sure were a bunch of idiots, though!

No, I don't think so. You see the ship jump. The entire ship went to hell. You see the drive activate and forms a black hole that starts sucking everything into it. The ship falls into the black hole and presumably comes out the other side in hell.

Krevel was right. The Event Horizon utilizes the technique of folding space for travel, though I believe the central drive system uses a form of singularity for power (the central sphere contains it, IIRC).

[Ut]

I saw it. I thought it was very good.
I still refuse to watch it again.