Bob Lazar selling uranium on the net now ?

[cid]

Just stumbled over that site and first thought it to be kind of satiric, but apparently this is real...should you really have uranium in your home ?

http://unitednuclear.com/supplies.htm

And i love the banner, they use ... looking for uranium *winkwink* click here
....strange....

ah...forgot that, for the lazar stuff, just check the about us page.

[N C More]

Yeah, I wondered about this as well. (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=386365#386365) Kind of makes one speculate some more about Mr. Lazar...maybe he uses the uranium to power up his UFO?

[cid]

I have to admit, that i'm too uninformed in nuclear science to actually know, if anything harmful can be done with what he sells, but....something is just not correct in this picture...united states research facility ......HELP ME, this does not compute.

[weatherc]

Yeah, I wondered about this as well. (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=386365#386365) Kind of makes one speculate some more about Mr. Lazar...maybe he uses the uranium to power up his UFO?

Nah. I remember reading once that the UFOs that Bob Lazar talked about were powered by antimatter.

So, if I were to buy some uranium, what could I do with it (assuming I didn't want to make a nuclear reactor or a bomb out of the stuff).

[R.A.F.]

WOW!!! That site has SCAM written all over it. I love the "as featured on Coast to Coast", as if that's some kind of endorsement...or the "entrance" to their top secret laboratory...what a laugh! :lol:

Ya know, Bob better be very careful...the government might not "get" the joke, and start thinking that he's "supplying" terrorists with bomb material.

[Swift]

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So, if I were to buy some uranium, what could I do with it (assuming I didn't want to make a nuclear reactor or a bomb out of the stuff).
You could make yellow colored glass (uranium oxide was originally used to make glass yellow-green). You could give yourself a very minor radiation dose. You could add it to your mineral collection.

[Lurker]

I have to admit, that i'm too uninformed in nuclear science to actually know, if anything harmful can be done with what he sells, but....something is just not correct in this picture...united states research facility ......HELP ME, this does not compute.
Not likely... the tough part involved in really doing something dangerous... revolves around the separation of U235 from the rest of the isotopes. When the U.S. dropped the atomic bomb on Japan, the country had only two in existence. The big bottle neck was having enough fissionable material.

The choice as to how to demonstrate their effectiveness was made based on this fact. The two were of different designs and no one was sure if either would really go off under combat conditions. After those two, it would haven been months or longer before another one was available.

[cid]

Not that much on google, but at least they really seem to be listed as a supplier:
http://faraday.physics.uiowa.edu/manufact.html

but this just has to be a scam

[beskeptical]

Build your own particle accelerator? (http://unitednuclear.com/fwa1.htm)

The "about us" page (http://unitednuclear.com/about.htm)is a hoot.
United Nuclear was formed in 1986 by Los Alamos scientist, Bob Lazar. Bob had previously worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory (pecifically in the Meson Physics facility), involved with experiments using the 1/2 mile long Linear Particle Accelerator. He eventually decided to break away and start his own company. Bob moved from Los Alamos, New Mexico to Las Vegas, Nevada in the summer of 1986, and there the new company was formed and named United Nuclear.

Initially, United Nuclear offered design & consulting services and spent most of its time designing, building & repairing Alpha Radiation Probes for the Nevada Test Sits (NTS), and Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) under government contract #0026W001S-4H.

Over the following years, Bob was hired at a remote area of the Test Site to engage in some highly classified research, but managed to keep United Nuclear alive by hiring additional people to make up for his absence. United Nuclear gradually expanded in both size and personnel, and eventually Bob returned to devoting his full time to his business.Then there is a picture with this caption:The entrance to our ~very~ remote, 5 acre testing facility, located high up in the Sandia Mountains of New Mexico. The picture on the sign says, "United States Research Facility". :roll: So are they claiming they are part of the government, is the use of term United States not the government, or my third and most plausible option, Bob has gone from totally insane to really totally insane in his delusional world?

Does anyone remember this guy saying he worked at Los Alamos? I only remember the Area 51 claims.

[beskeptical]

Not that much on google, but at least they really seem to be listed as a supplier:
http://faraday.physics.uiowa.edu/manufact.html

but this just has to be a scamI sent them an e-mail about it. I'll let you know if they reply. Normally I wouldn't but it is an edu site.

[cid]

The entire page is funny, from a strange kind of view....sorry guys, WoW starts tomorrow here and my girl is out, so i've got time to bother you :)...
just to give a few examples
"Customers for our UV lights include The U.S. Navy Warfare Division, Los Alamos National Laboratory,
Sandia National Laboratory and the Department of Homeland Security"
or maybe
"A system we've developed to convert gasoline engines to run on Hydrogen.
This is not an electric fuel cell system; Hydrogen fuel is burned conventionally.
Additional applications include Hydrogen powered generators for home electricity
production. Our Hydrogen generator is small, portable, and can be powered by
Solar or Wind power to produce Hydrogen fuel at near zero cost."

this one ?
Finally, a low-cost, high performance Cloud Chamber perfect for schools, laboratories, and science hobbyists. View dramatic tracks left by high-speed Alpha & Beta particles, perform experiments that demonstrate Compton scattering, beta deflection and the photoelectric effect. View cosmic Rays as they arrive from outer space and pass through the chamber..... and much more!

who puts that much time into a scam ? and i have to say, that i am deeply depressed, that all uranium seems to be already sold.

thank you beskeptical, would be intersting to hear

[sidmel]

As far as his selling uranium. Isn't weapons grade uranuim considered a restricted or controlled item? I was under the impression that only the government and government cleared agencies could purchase it.

[beskeptical]

As far as his selling uranium. Isn't weapons grade uranuim considered a restricted or controlled item? I was under the impression that only the government and government cleared agencies could purchase it.Uranium Ore is far from weapon's grade.

[Swift]

As far as his selling uranium. Isn't weapons grade uranuim considered a restricted or controlled item? I was under the impression that only the government and government cleared agencies could purchase it.
This isn't weapons grade or even reactor grade uranium, these are ore samples. I've seen similar things in rock shops. Some probably have slightly higher concentrations of radioactive isotopes than others, so are more or less radioactive. The lab I did my graduate work in had a bottle of uranium oxide; if you put a geiger counter to it, it did have a pretty good signal (we used the counter for checking our x-ray machine for leaks, the uranium oxide was from ancient experiments). But even if you had the means to extract the 235U from the ore, you'd need tons and tons to make enough for a bomb.

As far as the cloud chamber, I had books back in high school that told you how to make one for a science fair project. I have some doubts about the hydrogen engine, but the UV lamps and other stuff seem legit.

[Andrew]

Does anyone remember this guy saying he worked at Los Alamos? I only remember the Area 51 claims.
As near as I can recall, UFO folklore says that he was recruited from Los Alamos to work at Area 51. His claimed credentials are master's degrees from Caltech and MIT. Some people have done some digging and have not found any evidence that he studied at either of these institutions and also that his only connection with LANL was that he worked there at one time as an electronics technician for an external contractor.

[cid]

That's what puzzled me...if seen as a scam, the site is just too elaborated and in some points pretty common stuff is sold ( also i referred mostly to the customer list with the uv lamp :) ) but...building your own particle accelerator ? and The Bob ?

and look at the banner guy and his eyebrows....and Misc Radioactive Items or Perform hundreds of actual Nuclear Experiments in your own home.
Complete with all equipment and step-by-step instructions (SneakPeak - check the cover art) aren't options i'd like to see in a catalogue [-X

[Trebuchet]

....we used the counter for checking our x-ray machine for leaks, the uranium oxide was from ancient experiments....

I'm feeling a bit ignorant right now, but I thought Geiger counters only detected particle radiation. Something about ionizing a gas as they pass through.

Or perhaps that's why you never found any X-ray leaks?

[R.A.F.]

He's scammed people before...there is no reason why he wouldn't scam people again...I wouldn't believe ANYTHING Lazar says. A website with his name on it screams scam.

Just my opinion...maybe he's gone legit...but I doubt it.

[Andrew]

Lazar's outfit reminds me of Future Horizons (http://www.futurehorizons.net).

[Swift]

....we used the counter for checking our x-ray machine for leaks, the uranium oxide was from ancient experiments....

I'm feeling a bit ignorant right now, but I thought Geiger counters only detected particle radiation. Something about ionizing a gas as they pass through.

Or perhaps that's why you never found any X-ray leaks?
Nope, they do x-rays too (reference (http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wgeiger.html)
An ion or electron penetrating the tube (or an electron knocked out of the wall by X-rays or gamma rays) tears electrons off atoms in the gas, and because of the high positive voltage of the central wire, those electrons are then attracted to it. In doing so they gain energy, collide with atoms and release more electrons, until the process snowballs into an "avalanche" which produces an easily detectable pulse of current.
IIRC, they are not as good for x-rays as they are for particles. They work ok for survey work (like what we were doing). But our x-ray diffractometer used a different detector for 'real' work.

[Alan]

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So, if I were to buy some uranium, what could I do with it (assuming I didn't want to make a nuclear reactor or a bomb out of the stuff).
You could make yellow colored glass (uranium oxide was originally used to make glass yellow-green). You could give yourself a very minor radiation dose. You could add it to your mineral collection.

You could use it to color ceramics. It was used in orange glazes. Find an old Fiestaware plate that is orange and wave a geiger counter over it.

[weatherc]

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So, if I were to buy some uranium, what could I do with it (assuming I didn't want to make a nuclear reactor or a bomb out of the stuff).
You could make yellow colored glass (uranium oxide was originally used to make glass yellow-green). You could give yourself a very minor radiation dose. You could add it to your mineral collection.

You could use it to color ceramics. It was used in orange glazes. Find an old Fiestaware plate that is orange and wave a geiger counter over it.

Cool. I feel a little silly asking it, but where could I pick up a Geiger counter, (assuming I wanted to try this cool trick at parties)?

[Andrew]

Cool. I feel a little silly asking it, but where could I pick up a Geiger counter, (assuming I wanted to try this cool trick at parties)?
If you look carefully at the link, you will see you can buy them directly from Lazar! :D

http://unitednuclear.com/geigers4sale.htm

[Swift]

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So, if I were to buy some uranium, what could I do with it (assuming I didn't want to make a nuclear reactor or a bomb out of the stuff).
You could make yellow colored glass (uranium oxide was originally used to make glass yellow-green). You could give yourself a very minor radiation dose. You could add it to your mineral collection.

You could use it to color ceramics. It was used in orange glazes. Find an old Fiestaware plate that is orange and wave a geiger counter over it.

Cool. I feel a little silly asking it, but where could I pick up a Geiger counter, (assuming I wanted to try this cool trick at parties)?
Froogle search (http://www.google.com/froogle?q=Geiger+counter&btnG=Search+Froogle)
You can pick one up for under $100.

[weatherc]

Cool. I feel a little silly asking it, but where could I pick up a Geiger counter, (assuming I wanted to try this cool trick at parties)?
If you look carefully at the link, you will see you can buy them directly from Lazar! :D

http://unitednuclear.com/geigers4sale.htm

Somehow, I had a feeling that someone would say that (I haven't even looked at the link, but I somehow wouldn't trust them enough to purchase anything from there).

[weatherc]

Froogle search (http://www.google.com/froogle?q=Geiger+counter&btnG=Search+Froogle)
You can pick one up for under $100.

Thanks. Not that I have any good reason to buy one, but it's good to know.

[TravisM]

I know I have a worldbook encyclopedia that has instructions on how to make your own cloud chamber. Whole list of materials and dimensions. It even says you can pick up a uranium pin, the head is a peice of this ore, and use it for you're source.
I don't know if you can do it at parties, weatherc, but you could certainly build this cloud chamber to check random plates... only problem is it requires dry ice, wich is hard to keep stocked...

[JMV]

From United Nuclear - Radiation Detectors for Sale (http://unitednuclear.com/geigers4sale.htm):
Good For: Detecting very high & dangerous levels of Gamma radiation from nuclear explosions, nuclear reactor melt-downs, radiation leaks and dangerously strong X-rays.
Remote attachment also allows for monitoring dangerous radiation levels outside, while you remain safely inside your shelter.
Our high school physics classes were dull before we got our Remote Survey Meter. Now we could detect all those cool gamma rays from the nuclear devices we detonated... sorry Stuart ...initiated. Now we have a blast and you won't be seeing students half a sleep on our lessons. :P

Yeah I know, they might be useful for professionals at nuclear power plants and elsewhere, but it's just that on their About Us page they mentioned they want to put the fun back to schools' science classes.

[Maksutov]

From United Nuclear - Radiation Detectors for Sale (http://unitednuclear.com/geigers4sale.htm):
Good For: Detecting very high & dangerous levels of Gamma radiation from nuclear explosions, nuclear reactor melt-downs, radiation leaks and dangerously strong X-rays.
Remote attachment also allows for monitoring dangerous radiation levels outside, while you remain safely inside your shelter.
Our high school physics classes were dull before we got our Remote Survey Meter. Now we could detect all those cool gamma rays from the nuclear devices we detonated... sorry Stuart ...initiated. Now we have a blast and you won't be seeing students half a sleep on our lessons. :P

Yeah I know, they might be useful for professionals at nuclear power plants and elsewhere, but it's just that on their About Us page they mentioned they want to put the fun back to schools' science classes.
Good luck with the potential sales, Bob! Each facility that handles special nuclear material (SNM) has a department called Health Physics (or equivalent) that is overflowing with detectors appropriate to the radiation generated by the materials and processes at the facility. These include such items as the usual dosimeters, plus Victoreens, Ludlums, Eberlines, PCM-2s, etc. In addition, there are requirements by such agencies as the NRC, DOE, OSHA, etc., which result in monitoring equipment located just about everywhere on-site, and off-site, these usually being based on plume model studies.

As part of the procurement process, this equipment is required to be obtained from approved vendors. One look at that rather naive "Good For" paragraph by an engineer doing a bid review would disqual Bob & Co. immediately.

BTW, the NRC is responsible for all SNM. If Bob's got some without a license, he may be in some deep, "hot" water.

[frogesque]

I always fancied a Geiger counter. I do a bit of panning off and on and get some interesting 'heavies' along with the black sand. The only time I've used a counter was at college and I tried my watch under it. It had an old lumious dial and the radium set the beeper going better than the U ore sample we were doing experiments on. Physics lecturer had kittens :lol:

[Gmann]

I wonder what happened to his Hydrogen Fuel Cell Corvette? Last time he was on C2C, he didn't say too much about it. But he did mention a "problem" he was having with the "Gubbermint" that his Attorney advised him not to discuss in any way shape or form. I wonder what his next thing is going to be?

[Swift]

From United Nuclear - Radiation Detectors for Sale (http://unitednuclear.com/geigers4sale.htm):
Good For: Detecting very high & dangerous levels of Gamma radiation from nuclear explosions, nuclear reactor melt-downs, radiation leaks and dangerously strong X-rays.
Remote attachment also allows for monitoring dangerous radiation levels outside, while you remain safely inside your shelter.
Our high school physics classes were dull before we got our Remote Survey Meter. Now we could detect all those cool gamma rays from the nuclear devices we detonated... sorry Stuart ...initiated. Now we have a blast and you won't be seeing students half a sleep on our lessons. :P

Yeah I know, they might be useful for professionals at nuclear power plants and elsewhere, but it's just that on their About Us page they mentioned they want to put the fun back to schools' science classes.
Good luck with the potential sales, Bob!
I agree that he's not going to sell to any nuclear facility. But I knew several people in anti-nuclear groups that had one to "protect themselves" (I'm not endorsing, just informing). I remember one discussion about detectors that could be connected to a data acquisition system on a computer, for continous monitoring (they lived near a power plant and wanted to monitor things themselves). You'd get similar interest from some rock hounds, survivalists (every home bomb shelter needs a detector), and the curious looking for a toy.