Is this allowed?

[Majin Vegeta]

Am I allowed to request that members help me find an automatic gun online, For collecting purposes... I really want the H&K MP5 but can't find one that I can buy online.. Am I allowed to request that you guys help me find it or would the BA be mad? :o

[Musashi]

Good luck. If you figure out a way to get one, let me know. I have a feeling that you will have to, at least, wait until you are 21. Then, Get a Federal Autmoatic Firearms License (expensive). Even with all that, I am not sure the MP5 is available at all for public consumption.

[Musashi]

Unless you mean something like an airsoft replica.

[Colt]

Even if you were allowed to own one, you wouldn't just be getting it off of the Internet. You're not even old enough to own a longgun right now and a submachinegun. In my opinion anyone who wants a gun for the "cool" factor shouldn't have one... Get a Chauchat. - Colt

[Majin Vegeta]

Jesus Christ, I'm a collector! I collect! I have an Automatic AK-47 ; Semi-Thompson 22 cal Tommygun W/ round drum ; And a few other ones... And BTW: I have found and ordered one for 12,600$ #-o Well... 'least my family is loaded :wink: (with money)

[Musashi]

ok :roll:

[Majin Vegeta]

Why don't people ever belive my family is rich? Is it that hard to belive? I still don't get the chicks if that says anything... There are alot of rich people here, Because this is a rich-guy-snob subdivision.

[The Bad Astronomer]

Majin Vegeta, I will warn you one last time: watch your language here. I have given you far more slack than most people because you're a kid, but this is it. One more and you're gone from here.

[Kizarvexis]

Why don't people ever belive my family is rich? Is it that hard to belive? I still don't get the chicks if that says anything... There are alot of rich people here, Because this is a rich-guy-snob subdivision.

I think it is more the 'I ordered a H&K MP5 for $12,600 over the internet.' But that may be just me.

Kizarvexis

[Normandy6644]

Why don't people ever belive my family is rich? Is it that hard to belive? I still don't get the chicks if that says anything... There are alot of rich people here, Because this is a rich-guy-snob subdivision.

I think it is more the 'I ordered a H&K MP5 for $12,600 over the internet.' But that may be just me.

Kizarvexis

Yeah that is a bit much.

[Majin Vegeta]

Do a google :wink: Lock please

[the_shaggy_one]

Cool thing about the US: If you're a citizen and (key point) have the proper permits, you're allowed to own just about any weapon you can afford to buy.

I love this country!

[Jpax2003]

I'm a collector! I collect! I have an Automatic AK-47 ; Semi-Thompson 22 cal Tommygun W/ round drum ; And a few other ones... And BTW: I have found and ordered one for 12,600$ #-o Well... 'least my family is loaded :wink: (with money)You don't happen to have a trenchcoat do you?

[Colt]

Jesus Christ, I'm a collector! I collect! I have an Automatic AK-47 ; Semi-Thompson 22 cal Tommygun W/ round drum ; And a few other ones... And BTW: I have found and ordered one for 12,600$ #-o Well... 'least my family is loaded :wink: (with money)

Ok, I'm sorry but I flatly refuse to believe that. Your family might have money but you can not have a Federal Firearms License nor even legally own a handgun or longgun. Period. ](*,) - Colt

[W.F. Tomba]

Cool thing about the US: If you're a citizen and (key point) have the proper permits, you're allowed to own just about any weapon you can afford to buy.
That's not necessarily true if you're fourteen years old. (I know at least some states have minimum age requirements.) But anyway, I doubt he has $12,600 of his own personal money lying around, unless he also deals drugs on the side. Maybe this kid's parents are buying guns for "his" collection.

So, Vegeta, maybe you could post a link to the site where you bought this thing.

[SKY]

I have bought Airsoft replicas over the internet, but even those you have to prove you are 18 years old. I don't think there is a legal way to buy a bullet firing gun over the internet basically due to the Brady Law which states that a person must go through a back ground check, take a weapons test and there's the 10 day(or 13, I forget which) cooling off period. It's makes gun deals over the internet (legal anyway) pretty much unheard of.

There are hundreds (if not thousands) of Airsoft dealers on the net. Just do a Google search for "Airsoft". Airsoft's are replica's, but they only shoot plastic BB's (for those that don't know). But again, you must be able to prove you are 18 to be able to legally purchase a Airsoft Replica.

There are some places that sell "Blank" firing guns, but you must not only be 18, but also write a letter (for most places on a company letterhead) stating what it will be used for (i.e. a stage production, a movie, etc.). You can't just buy them to own or play with. Some places may offer them as a collectors item, but I believe they are already permanently mounted on something...like a plaque.

[space cadet]

Why don't people ever belive my family is rich? Is it that hard to belive? I still don't get the chicks if that says anything... There are alot of rich people here, Because this is a rich-guy-snob subdivision.

With an attitude like that, it's no wonder you don't get any chicks. Have you ever paused to consider the fact that most women--even girls your age--actually prefer a considerate, humble boy over a rich snobby one? You seem to be implying that girls are so shallow they should date anyone as long as he's rich. Kind of insulting if you ask me.

That being said, why in the world would you want to get a chick who only likes you for your money anyway?

[paulie jay]

Why don't people ever belive my family is rich? Is it that hard to belive?
Oh I believe you, I just don't care. But you should save your gun fairy stories for the playground.

I would imagine that someone who really has already pruchased firearms over the internet wouldn't need any of our assistance - you'd already know where to look, what to look for, and how to do it. I think you're just trying to create an image.

Do a google Lock please
Gee you're quite good at ordering people around aren't you? Anything else you'd like us to do for you before we're done? Shine your shoes perhaps? Obviously as you are the only person around here with money we'll all be lining up to do menial tasks for you.

I promise that as long as I live I will never enter another thread with your name on it. It's just not worth it.

[space cadet]

I've always like Paulie Jay. He's just so darn smart and all.

Goodbye Vegeta.

[Nicolas]

Something needs considerable explanation here:

.. And I have shot a kid in the leg with a 22 cal. gun and didn't care. . .

:-?

uhm. Have you talked with any professionals about this apparent lack of remorse following your assault with a deadly weapon upon a fellow human???

. . . and please tell me your parents have since removed all access you may have to any weapons.
Um.. Juvie for 3 years, and yes, the weapons are locked up tight. In a safe. 300 Miles away. :wink:

But still you are allowed by your parents to spend a fortune on deadly weapons?

[captain swoop]

You beat me there, I was going to bring that little incident up as well. :-?

[SKY]

:o I had to search for that quote to find it and found it in a thread that Majin Vegeta started concerning POD's song "Youth of the Nation" which references school shootings. Sorry Majin Vegeta, but your recent...well actually most of your posts don't paint you in a favoring light and I am suspicious of your intentions. You say your "Just a collector". OK...well...I say I collect little Elvis clones from the planet Zork, but just saying it does nothing for my credibility. You have willfully acknowledged to the people of this forum that you have shot a kid in the leg with a weapon, and now you want us, the same people you divulged that information to, to help you locate another weapon on the internet...for collection purposes??? Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the BA takes your ISP info and notifies your local police.

paulie jay mentioned above that they thought this may be a work to display a certain image by you. If it is, I think it is time you come clean and let it be known. I think I can speak for most here when I say we're not impressed by kids who shoot other kids and then brag about not caring about it. If you seriously want to continue discussion with the posters here, I believe you need to A) tone down the attitude, and B) either get rid of the gimmick, or seriously look into getting some help.

[Amadeus]

This threads a sick joke right?

Look, weapons are not toys they're weapons.
Most of us growing up go through a "guns are cool" phase with me it was BB guns. However most of us would never have had access to automatic weapons with good reason.

If this is all a big wind up I would strongly suggest that you come clean before you draw the attention of the police.

I cannot believe that whatever area of the US that you live in that it is legal for you to own or use automatic weapons.

[Nicolas]

This threads a sick joke right?

Look, weapons are not toys they're weapons.
Most of us growing up go through a "guns are cool" phase with me it was BB guns. However most of us would never have had access to automatic weapons with good reason.

If this is all a big wind up I would strongly suggest that you come clean before you draw the attention of the police.

I cannot believe that whatever area of the US that you live in that it is legal for you to own or use automatic weapons.

I personally didn't really go through a "guns are cool" phase. I did have just "plastic guns" that didn't do anything, a plastic gun with those red powder things that go bang (no projectile). You know, the kid version of an alarm gun. I never had a BB gun and never wanted one.

The weapons Vegeta is summing up, I wouldn't even dare to touch. Who would let a 14 year old own these? Would you ask your mum if you could have a Kalasjnikov? And a tommygun? And an MP5 for your birthday (I'll be good)? Many parents won't even let you play games that use these weapons when you're 14 :).

The story sounds very unbelievable to me and I really, really hope it is not true.

[Moose]

I'd express my apathy, except I really don't care enough to do so.

[Argos]

Cool thing about the US: If you're a citizen and (key point) have the proper permits, you're allowed to own just about any weapon you can afford to buy.

I love this country!

They are about to forbid selling guns (anykind of gun) down here (under the pressure of a certain Rio de Janeiro middle class). The bleeding-hearts want "peace". They are "tired of violence". Very touching, isn´t it?

[Colt]

I cannot believe that whatever area of the US that you live in that it is legal for you to own or use automatic weapons.

You're allowed to own and operate automatic firearms in most places in the United States... However you must have a Federal Firearms License of a rather high class to buy and own these. Most of the people who have them are either collectors for WWII (if you tried to modify some of these guns to not be automatic... You'd be mobbed) and the like or gunshop owners; people who supply police departments and security companies. Right now I CAN get a FFL and buy a .50 machinegun and put it under my bed, you know, just in case Fithp start landing... But damn automatic firarms are expensive to begin with and then you better have a pretty good job to just blow away that much ammunition. Controlled and aimed fire is more effective in most situations.

I'm done rambling. :P - Colt

[farmerjumperdon]

This whole thing is either our leg getting pulled or a kid headed for trouble. Anybody else that has worked with teens should read this stuff and hope he's kidding (which itself reveals a lot), or hope the BA has already alerted the authorities. Either way, this person needs help before someone gets hurt. (Although if the part about shooting someone is true, it's already too late for that).

[Amadeus]

All guns have been banned from the general public for years here in the UK now. The only exception is Shotguns and I think then you have to show a just cause for owning one.

We had a spate of shootings invloving replicas that have been converted to fire real bullets but now the biggest problems seem to be knives.

I for one am glad of the ban.

[captain swoop]

All guns have been banned from the general public for years here in the UK now. The only exception is Shotguns and I think then you have to show a just cause for owning one.

We had a spate of shootings invloving replicas that have been converted to fire real bullets but now the biggest problems seem to be knives.

I for one am glad of the ban.


All guns aren't banned in the UK. Pistols are banned following the massacre at Dunblane and semi auto weapons are banned followingthe Hungerford massacre back in the 80s.

It is still legal to own Black Powder pistols such as a navy Colt etc.

I am a keen shooter, I have an Anschutz model 1912 for target shooting and a Parker Hale SAR-15.22 Rimfire Semi Auto for fun (.22 rimfire wasn't part of the ban on semi-auto)

I also have a Mk4 .303 Lee Enfield which I use in 'Vintage' shooting events.

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[Amadeus]

Thats news to me but i'll take your word for it.

I assumed that a handgun ban was just that, a ban on hand guns I didn't know there was exceptions same goes for Semi auto.

[captain swoop]

Also you have to show a good reason for owning a firearm. In practice this means a member of a shooting club for at least 6 months and regular participation in some kind of event even if it's just a monthly club shoot. You can't just have one because you want one. You have to have at least 2 approverd refs and satisfy the police that you are responsible and the weapons are secure. That is in an approved locked cabinet, if on the ground floor no windows and ammunition has to be locked seperately to the weapons. If you want another firearm and it's of a different type to the one you own you have to show that you have a need due to the type of shooting you are doing. eg, If you are a .22 range shooter you can't just go out and buy a full bore hunting rifle.
Shotguns are different, you don't have to show a need, the Police have to have a good reason for not issuing a certificate. If you have a 'Pump' action on a Shotgun cert you can't have more that 2 rounds in it. If you want more then you need to upgrade it to a Firearms certificate and show a need. Air rifles over a certain power are also considerd to be Firearms otherwise the only restriction on them is one of age.

[jamestox]

It's easy to purchase firearms via the Internet. First, you visit a website where firearms are listed for sale (I'm a frequent visitor to several, and have purchased after seeing what I was after). Then, you contact the seller, directly or having won a bid on an auction site, to arrange payment and shipping. Assuming you're buying a longgun (shotgun, sporting rifle, carbine with a barrel 16 inches or longer), you MUST go to an FFL holder local to you and send a signed form you obtain from him to the seller, who then ships to the FLL holder. The FFL holder then must get your fingerprint, driver's license, and personal info to submit to NCIC to see if you're restricted by law to own a firearm. IF you pass the background check, you pay all fees, shipping, and take home your firearm....as long as your state DOESN'T require other such things as a FOID ("firearm owner's identification"), or have a mandatory waiting period. If none of the legalities are done and someone just "ends up" with a firearm, it's a felony punishable by law.

Vegeta....laws requiring these things have been on the books for a good long while now, and most of us know it.

J.

[Spacewriter]

Folks, has it occurred to anybody but me that we have someone here who's just saying things to get attention?

Rich or poor, geek or not, this is not the conversational gambit of somebody who's ... mature. Why indulge fantasies?

[W.F. Tomba]

Folks, has it occurred to anybody but me that we have someone here who's just saying things to get attention?

Rich or poor, geek or not, this is not the conversational gambit of somebody who's ... mature. Why indulge fantasies?
If you'd actually read the thread you'd know that that has occurred to practically everyone.

[Nicolas]

Has anyone noticed that there was only 1 hour between Majin Vegeta asking for help in his search, and pressing the "submit" button of the post in which he claims he found and ordered one on the internet?

Was that an amazing coïncidence, or didn't you search really much before asking the time of the board members to do it for you, Majin Vegeta?

or...

[pumpkinpie]

Folks, has it occurred to anybody but me that we have someone here who's just saying things to get attention?

Rich or poor, geek or not, this is not the conversational gambit of somebody who's ... mature. Why indulge fantasies?
If you'd actually read the thread you'd know that that has occurred to practically everyone.

As I read the thread I definitely *thought* that, and I'm sure most other people did too, but I think Spacewriter is the first one to put it in frank words, and not just allude to it.

[Nicolas]

I won't say "Majin, you're making things up" if I have no proof of that.

[Spacewriter]

Folks, has it occurred to anybody but me that we have someone here who's just saying things to get attention?

Rich or poor, geek or not, this is not the conversational gambit of somebody who's ... mature. Why indulge fantasies?
If you'd actually read the thread you'd know that that has occurred to practically everyone.

I did read the thread and I asked because it wasn't clear to me that humoring him and continuing the discussion on firearms was it "has occurred to everybody." I don't ask these questions lightly.

[Jpax2003]

It's easy to purchase firearms via the Internet. First, you visit a website where firearms are listed for sale (I'm a frequent visitor to several, and have purchased after seeing what I was after). Then, you contact the seller, directly or having won a bid on an auction site, to arrange payment and shipping. Assuming you're buying a longgun (shotgun, sporting rifle, carbine with a barrel 16 inches or longer), you MUST go to an FFL holder local to you and send a signed form you obtain from him to the seller, who then ships to the FLL holder. The FFL holder then must get your fingerprint, driver's license, and personal info to submit to NCIC to see if you're restricted by law to own a firearm. IF you pass the background check, you pay all fees, shipping, and take home your firearm....as long as your state DOESN'T require other such things as a FOID ("firearm owner's identification"), or have a mandatory waiting period. If none of the legalities are done and someone just "ends up" with a firearm, it's a felony punishable by law.

Vegeta....laws requiring these things have been on the books for a good long while now, and most of us know it.

J.Are you sure about that? I thought an individual selling to another individual did not need to go through all that paper work and that it was only required if buying from a licensed dealer. IIRC, the only requirement is the maintenance of the record of sale for 7 years. In fact, I recently saw a news story where the newsguy purchased a .50 cal single shot rifle off the internet without a waiting period or background check. (They were making the case that it could be used to damage airliners in flight.) This reinforces my own experiences. Perhaps the requirements are different in others states or for interstate selling or specifically for automatic weapons.

As for Vegeta, I'm not sure where he is or the laws there. I think in IL you must be at least 16. Chances are that a family member might be the owner of record while the little one maintains physical possession or, more likely, emotional ownership.

[W.F. Tomba]

Folks, has it occurred to anybody but me that we have someone here who's just saying things to get attention?

Rich or poor, geek or not, this is not the conversational gambit of somebody who's ... mature. Why indulge fantasies?
If you'd actually read the thread you'd know that that has occurred to practically everyone.

I did read the thread and I asked because it wasn't clear to me that humoring him and continuing the discussion on firearms was it "has occurred to everybody." I don't ask these questions lightly.
Sorry. I thought you were suggesting that nobody but you had considered that these stories might be false.

[Gramma loreto]

Are you sure about that? I thought an individual selling to another individual did not need to go through all that paper work and that it was only required if buying from a licensed dealer.

A deal between private individuals who reside in the same state usually doesn't require brokering by a dealer nor passing a NICS check. (Some states have more stringent requirements than federal law.) Interstate transactions require the involvement of at least one FFL on the receiving end (handguns usually require shipment by an FFL, as well) who must perform a NICS check before turning the firearm over to the purchaser. The FFL must maintain records on all transactions. Private individuals are not required to maintain a system of records regarding their private firearms transactions.

On the subject of automatic weapons, yes, responsible people in this country do own and use them. An enthusiast group meets at my local range and they are a hoot to watch. As mentioned, these weapons are hiddeously expensive to acquire, maintain, and operate. The federal licensing tax is small potatos by comparison. The manufacture of new weapons in the U.S. has been banned since 1986 so the pool of available weapons is small and gradually shrinking, driving their prices quite high.

As to the original post, my reply is "Yeah, right."

[Van Rijn]

On the subject of automatic weapons, yes, responsible people in this country do own and use.

These are full automatic weapons? I am not a weapons expert, so I could easily be wrong, but I thought full automatics were flatly illegal these days. Then again, I notice that you are in Alaska, where the laws may more lax.

[Stuart]

These are full automatic weapons? I am not a weapons expert, so I could easily be wrong, but I thought full automatics were flatly illegal these days. Then again, I notice that you are in Alaska, where the laws may more lax.

One can own a fully-automatic weapon - there are a lot of hoops to jump through but it is possible. Its a Federal issue rather than state.

As for the subject of this thread, it's probability of veracity brings to mind several issues concerning porcine aerodynamics

[Fram]

These are full automatic weapons? I am not a weapons expert, so I could easily be wrong, but I thought full automatics were flatly illegal these days. Then again, I notice that you are in Alaska, where the laws may more lax.

One can own a fully-automatic weapon - there are a lot of hoops to jump through but it is possible. Its a Federal issue rather than state.

As for the subject of this thread, it's probability of veracity brings to mind several issues concerning porcine aerodynamics

I couldn't agree more, but then again, who knows what thirteen year old pro skaters / rich boys / weapon collectors / manga designers are up to nowadays?

[jamestox]

It's easy to purchase firearms via the Internet. First, you visit a website where firearms are listed for sale (I'm a frequent visitor to several, and have purchased after seeing what I was after). Then, you contact the seller, directly or having won a bid on an auction site, to arrange payment and shipping. Assuming you're buying a longgun (shotgun, sporting rifle, carbine with a barrel 16 inches or longer), you MUST go to an FFL holder local to you and send a signed form you obtain from him to the seller, who then ships to the FLL holder. The FFL holder then must get your fingerprint, driver's license, and personal info to submit to NCIC to see if you're restricted by law to own a firearm. IF you pass the background check, you pay all fees, shipping, and take home your firearm....as long as your state DOESN'T require other such things as a FOID ("firearm owner's identification"), or have a mandatory waiting period. If none of the legalities are done and someone just "ends up" with a firearm, it's a felony punishable by law.

Vegeta....laws requiring these things have been on the books for a good long while now, and most of us know it.

J.Are you sure about that? I thought an individual selling to another individual did not need to go through all that paper work and that it was only required if buying from a licensed dealer. IIRC, the only requirement is the maintenance of the record of sale for 7 years. In fact, I recently saw a news story where the newsguy purchased a .50 cal single shot rifle off the internet without a waiting period or background check. (They were making the case that it could be used to damage airliners in flight.) This reinforces my own experiences. Perhaps the requirements are different in others states or for interstate selling or specifically for automatic weapons.

:D You must be talking about the Barrett .50 story on CNN - the general concensus among a number of knowledgable, legal gun owners is that the reporter in question violated several firearms laws by doing what he reportedly did in the story. I can provide links later, but the "strawman" purchase protrayed in the CNN story is illegal - not just for a Barrett, but for any firearm, including a .22 single-shot, bolt-action rifle. The Barrett was purchased by a legal resident "strawman" in Texas, then transported to the "real" (final) owner (the CNN reporter) in Georgia. That makes the trasaction illegal - such a purchase legally HAS to go through an FFL holder.

As for the .50 BMG cartridge damaging an airliner, well, that's the kind of thing the cartridge was designed to do - it was orginally employed as an antivehicle/antiaircraft round. However, one would have to be skilled to even hit an airliner on the ground at a distance the CNN reporter referred to, and lucky IN THE EXTREME to hit an airborne airliner. Plus, the Barrett is a large, heavy rifle - meaning no quick follow-up shots - so the first shot would have to count.

As for Vegeta, I'm not sure where he is or the laws there. I think in IL you must be at least 16. Chances are that a family member might be the owner of record while the little one maintains physical possession or, more likely, emotional ownership.

In IL, IIRC, you also have to have a FOID to legally own a firearm. Thing is, regardless of who is in possession of the firearm, it is legally owned by the "owner of record," and THAT person is responsible for the safe handling, usage and storage of the firearm.

[Van Rijn]

One can own a fully-automatic weapon - there are a lot of hoops to jump through but it is possible. Its a Federal issue rather than state.


Thanks for the info. But don't State laws in most states put substantial further limits on this, or is the bar set so high that Federal law trumps State law?

[Majin Vegeta]

POD is a cool band and youth of the nation made me sad... :( Plus I have already had enough bad luck with internet.. Cause I'm not the least bit smart. If you are suggesting me killing someone, Your even more way off then the time this guy thought I was a girl, And he was off. Way off. :roll: The fact that I wasn't buying it for me has something to do with the whole thing, The most I can get out of my parents is a website... Which I plan to do, As soon as I can find a Site w/ Domains that accept money orders. :wink: Maybe someone could help me with that instead?

EDIT::: Of coarse I'm not rich and I didn't order one! I'm a kid for cryin out loud, And a big liar. Plus I'm homeschooled by my sister... She is tough

EDIT2::: I feel like you guys are out to get me! You seem to gang up with the killing Idea.. I never said a thing, and those are real serious aligations. I don't want my ISP disconnected either, So don't do that if you have no grounds to :wink:

EDIT3::: 3rd one in 4 minutes! I never said I was a manga designer, and I like anime btw

[Captain Kidd]

POD is a cool band and youth of the nation made me sad... :( Plus I have already had enough bad luck with internet.. Cause I'm not the least bit smart. If you are suggesting me killing someone, Your even more way off then the time this guy thought I was a girl, And he was off. Way off. :roll: The fact that I wasn't buying it for me has something to do with the whole thing, The most I can get out of my parents is a website... Which I plan to do, As soon as I can find a Site w/ Domains that accept money orders. :wink: Maybe someone could help me with that instead?
[edit opps misread.] Hmm, look around, p4host.com is one place, midphase.com is another.

EDIT::: Of coarse I'm not rich and I didn't order one! I'm a kid for cryin out loud, And a big liar. Plus I'm homeschooled by my sister... She is tough
Can't help you on the home schooling but, this isn't your average script kiddie board. Lying, posturing, and general immaturity doesn't make one macho here. Be yourself and you'll find that it's a very nice place to hang out.

EDIT2::: I feel like you guys are out to get me! You seem to gang up with the killing Idea.. I never said a thing, and those are real serious aligations. I don't want my ISP disconnected either, So don't do that if you have no grounds to :wink:
We're not out to get you. However, people tend to respond in kind to posters' attitudes. Especially here, so if it seems that everybody is ganging up on you, maybe you should take that as a sign to re-examine how you carry yourself here.

...I like anime btwSo it would seem. :)

So, relax, be yourself, learn some stuff about astronomy and have fun.

Just enough with the guns already.

[Jpax2003]

In IL, IIRC, you also have to have a FOID to legally own a firearm. Thing is, regardless of who is in possession of the firearm, it is legally owned by the "owner of record," and THAT person is responsible for the safe handling, usage and storage of the firearm.Oops, forgot to mention that part. But I remember taking a safe shooting class by the county Sheriff when I was under 16 in order to be allowed to use a firearm. I think I got a certificate as well, but now I can't quite remember what it was for. #-o It's been a while so I forgot how age related to a FOID.

[Majin Vegeta]

http://www.dbzonps2.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=21&t=18621

^ That's me telling about the topic, That should explain it although I also Lied there about wanting to see your guys' reactions :lol: But allinall that pretty much sums it up about the topic and stuff.. :wink:

[Van Rijn]

I love that song because It's a good song, That tells the story of a victim in first person perspective. I never said anything about shooting anyone, They started the [words deleted].. I think I freaked them out a bit much, What do you think?

No, you just asked where you could buy an extremely dangerous gun. Yes, most of us thought this was trollish behavior and you were just doing it to get attention, but there have been real incidents, and a common theme is to TAKE THIS TYPE OF TALK SERIOUSLY.

There have been kids in my city who made similar "jokes" to yours, and they have found themselves on the news, in the center of a major police investigation, and were watched very, very carefully after that.

Grow up.

[The Bad Astronomer]

Posting something to see what kind of reaction it gets is called trolling. While I think that people here over-reacted to your post, I find your own posting method more and more troubling. I have no desire, nor is there a need, to call your ISP or anything like that. But you're on such thin ice here at BABB that it can barely support your weight. Got it?

[Captain Kidd]

Hmm, I think I might take back what I just posted.

So you use a sock puppet over there? 'Cause I see a MajinVegeta (who uses graphics similar to what you've used), but the thread you link to is by a Bio-Freak.

[Majin Vegeta]

I'm BioFreak there and MajinVegeta let me use his GFX, Nice guy... But it wasn't a joke and I also wasn't trying to freak you out, That was the lie over there. I wouldn't joke about something so serious actually... :o

[Musashi]

So, it was a lie over here and a lie over there.. is there any reason for anyone anywhere to take you seriously at all?

[Brady Yoon]

I have a guilty pleasure too... Playing the Metal Gear Solid series has made me a huge gun fan. I want to own the SAA revolver, M4 (automatic), and MP5. But without ammunition or anything like that, just part of my weird collection.

[Captain Kidd]

I'm BioFreak there and MajinVegeta let me use his GFX, Nice guy... But it wasn't a joke and I also wasn't trying to freak you out, That was the lie over there. I wouldn't joke about something so serious actually... :o
How do we know this isn't another lie to "get back on our good side"? Before the next story?

That's the thing about trust, it's easily given the first time. But when lost, it's extremely hard to regain.

[Majin Vegeta]

*steps off ice*

So, it was a lie over here and a lie over there.. is there any reason for anyone anywhere to take you seriously at all?

No.

I have a guilty pleasure too... Playing the Metal Gear Solid series has made me a huge gun fan. I want to own the SAA revolver, M4 (automatic), and MP5. But without ammunition or anything like that, just part of my weird collection.

EXACT same reasons actually!

How do we know this isn't another lie to "get back on our good side"? Before the next story?

That's the thing about trust, it's easily given the first time. But when lost, it's extremely hard to regain.

Whats the point of regaining it? I'm just gonna be banned in a few days anyway...

[Brady Yoon]

*steps off ice*

So, it was a lie over here and a lie over there.. is there any reason for anyone anywhere to take you seriously at all?

No.

I have a guilty pleasure too... Playing the Metal Gear Solid series has made me a huge gun fan. I want to own the SAA revolver, M4 (automatic), and MP5. But without ammunition or anything like that, just part of my weird collection.

EXACT same reasons actually!

How do we know this isn't another lie to "get back on our good side"? Before the next story?

That's the thing about trust, it's easily given the first time. But when lost, it's extremely hard to regain.

Whats the point of regaining it? I'm just gonna be banned in a few days anyway...

Hey you play Metal Gear Solid too??

And don't get that attitude. The BA said you would be banned if you did anything else stupid. If you follow the rules now, there's no reason why you should be banned.. 8)

[Captain Kidd]

How do we know this isn't another lie to "get back on our good side"? Before the next story?

That's the thing about trust, it's easily given the first time. But when lost, it's extremely hard to regain.

Whats the point of regaining it? I'm just gonna be banned in a few days anyway...
Not necessarily, as I tried to tell you in this post (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=432793#432793). The choice is yours.

[Majin Vegeta]

I wub MGS, But I have wanted a HK MP5 for YEARS... Ever since I had a toy one :D I also play GTA: San An, I only have like 6% of it done! Thats because I jack a plane and fly away! On the game I mean...

[Brady Yoon]

I wub MGS, But I have wanted a HK MP5 for YEARS... Ever since I had a toy one :D I also play GTA: San An, I only have like 6% of it done! Thats because I jack a plane and fly away! On the game I mean...

That's pretty cool. I bought San Andreas on release date, but I've only got like 30%... The countryside part disappointed me, and the game lost it's feeling. There were definite downsides to Vice City, especially the music (in my opinion), and the overall atmosphere. I loved Los Santos though.

I'm working on an Extreme no alert run in MGS3, but I'm stuck on the final boss.

Whoa, discussion kinda changed here. :lol:

[jamestox]

I'm BioFreak there and MajinVegeta let me use his GFX, Nice guy... But it wasn't a joke and I also wasn't trying to freak you out, That was the lie over there. I wouldn't joke about something so serious actually... :o

Word of advice, MajinVegeta: On this board, be straight. There are a lot of really cool people here from all different backgrounds with a big interest in science in general and astronomy in particular. The Bad Astronomer is our host here, like the host at a party at which we are all guests - and will give only so many chances to people that he sees throwing cake or pretzels across the room before he kicks them out the door.

I for one think you may have the ability to contribute to our discussions by voicing your opinions or asking questions. The key is to do so politely. BA has warned you several times. You would do well to read the FAQ and do as our host has said if you want to remain.

J.

[mickal555]

I have this visualisation of the BA standing around while everyone talks, and then someone starts chucking around pretzels and the BA quietly escorts them out (and the room hushes)....
It's cracking me up.... :lol:

[Captain Kidd]

(and the room hushes)....
Actually there's a [big] dry erase board over on the side and it's immediately mobbed by people to write the latest person's name on it.

Edit: Now I'm getting an image of notes as to why (throwing pretzels, spiking the punch, etc) and connecting lines showing which ones are the same person showing up in different costumes/make-up.

[Spacewriter]

Oh gosh. What's next? Whirled peas?

[tofu]

I have an Automatic AK-47
No you don't. At most you have a norinco AK (probably in 5.56mm) that you've filled the sear on. It's not automatic. It's just slamfiring.

Semi-Thompson 22 cal Tommygun
I would hardly call a 22 cal toy a tommygun. A real tompson is in .45 cal.

BTW: I have found and ordered one for 12,600$
No you haven't. You're most likely just lying (and take my advice, nobody here thinks you're cool). If you're not outright lying then you have, at best been ripped off. At worse you've committed a felony.

I'm a collector!
I don't think so. Based on your choice of rifles I'd say you're a kid trying to be cool. If you really want to be a collector though, you should know that the cornerstone of any gun collector's collection is something beautiful, subtle, understated, and with a rich history - something like a vintage Mauser or Springfield 1903. An owner of one of those rifles is making the statement that he loves guns. The owner of a toy tompson replica an a norinco AK is making the statement the just wants to be cool.

It's like the difference between a guy with a riced up Dodge Neon and a guy with a '67 GTO.

[Majin Vegeta]

I'm trying to get my dad to get a liscense for Auto weapons, BECAUSE I AM A COLLECTOR! I have a Thompson 22 which I don't use and I do have an AK 47 which I also never use, Aswell as a few other good ones, but those are the only two Machine gun-guns I have... The only one I have ever used is the 9mm Pistol which was kinda fun shooting birds out of trees (legal) But, mostly shooting cans.. Since then we've moved to a Sub-Division of rich people and We can't shoot unless we drive to the countryside which is about 10 miles away... And if you'd viewed the WHOLE TOPIC you would see that I didn't actually buy one!

[Vermonter]

This is prolly late, but you can buy a semi-automatic MP5. Not sure of the price, but you can prolly find one at a gunshop somewhere. Be sure to check your state laws, they may not like it there. You can get an automatic one, for a large, expensive fee for that weapon and a very extensive background check. I don't think it's worth the cost, because semi-auto will fire as fast as you can pull the trigger.

~Josh

[Majin Vegeta]

Which in my case is 15 CPM :o

[Vermonter]

15 cpm?
clips per minute?

[Majin Vegeta]

Yeah, lol :lol:

[Vermonter]

Well, then you don't need a fully-automatic weapon :P I'm perfectly happy with my AK-47 being semi-automatic, so long as I have a bunch of loaded mags :P

[Majin Vegeta]

lol ; I could get a semi, It'd cost less and there wouldn't be much consern or un-nessessary worries.

[Kesh]

One can own a fully-automatic weapon - there are a lot of hoops to jump through but it is possible. Its a Federal issue rather than state.


Thanks for the info. But don't State laws in most states put substantial further limits on this, or is the bar set so high that Federal law trumps State law?

Many states have more restrictive gun laws than the Feds, but no State can have less restrictive laws.

To find out what the laws are in your state, visit... well, it used to be the Firearms Law Center. Now, it's apparently Legal Community Against Violence (http://www.lcav.org/). :-?

As an example, the page for Hawaii indicates that "assault pistols" are flatly illegal to possess or bring into the state.

[Stuart]

To find out what the laws are in your state, visit... well, it used to be the Firearms Law Center. Now, it's apparently Legal Community Against Violence (http://www.lcav.org/). As an example, the page for Hawaii indicates that "assault pistols" are flatly illegal to possess or bring into the state.

A better source is the NRA-ILA. They tend to be mnore up-to-date since they spend their lives tracking firearms regulations.

[Stuart]

The only one I have ever used is the 9mm Pistol which was kinda fun shooting birds out of trees (legal) But, mostly shooting cans.

Are you out of your [expletive deleted] mind? Shooting at birds in the trees with a 9mm handgun is not legal. It's also incredibly stupid. There is a thing called the theory of gravity that states what goes up must come down. Now as we all know, gravity is onlya theory and can be ignored when convenient but those bullets you are throwing around with gay abandon have still got to come down somewhere. And there is a very good possibility that somebody will be standing where they land. Then, once ballistics have done their thing, you will be charged with manslaughter. Bird hunting is done with shotguns, not rifles and most certainly not handguns for exactly that reason.

I don't think this is actually a problem because I do not believe you have spoken a word of truth since this thread started. You're already a proven, self-confessed liar. I would urge that this thread be locked because I honestly don't see what is served by continuing to accommodate your private fantasies. I would also encourage Doctor Plait to advise the local police of your posts here so that, in the event of you haveing access to firearms, they can be removed and placed in safe storage.

[Stuart]

but there have been real incidents, and a common theme is to TAKE THIS TYPE OF TALK SERIOUSLY. There have been kids in my city who made similar "jokes" to yours, and they have found themselves on the news, in the center of a major police investigation, and were watched very, very carefully after that. Grow up.

Well said.

[Majin Vegeta]

They are in a safe, Like one of those big metal ones that most gun shops use to store the expensive stuff in... And BTW: It was just birds, Not the neighbor's cows or pet dog. I lived on a few acres of private land where only my uncle and grandma lived, Now my mum/dad/me are in a sub division, and my uncle is on a hill about 4 miles away.


The badastronomer already said you guys overacted.. And if you look back I said to lock it.. Besides I have already had enough cop trouble over a few *harmless* things... Seriously, I was falsely accused and sue'd the person who called the cops for NO REASON. I agree, Close it. I'm just a kid, Get over it. [-(

EDIT: That land was also hills, And the birds were on the trees on the BASE of the hills so the bullets would have went into the ground anyway, Plus the town had a populace of around 36... We were widely scattered.

[The Bad Astronomer]

I have been thinking about this thread.

The Second Amendment says that Congress cannot deny the responsibility to bear arms... but I am not the government, and that amendment does not apply on this board.

This thread is making me very uncomfortable. While I am not well-versed on the details of the legality of gun ownership, having a kid talk about them makes me unhappy, as well as someone who says he shot someone else in the leg. Whether that claim is true or not, I cannot condone this kind of thing here.

Majin Vegeta, you have a history of starting contentious threads, you are a self-confessed liar, and you said you post to get a reaction. I've had enough. Think very, very carefully about your posts, and the next thread you start. Got it?

Locked.