One pope nearer the end of the world

[Sticks]

When I was a child I remembered a programme on TV about prophecies, and how one person did this with popes up to the end of the world

I vagule remembered from that programme that the next pope after John Paul II would be the final one

Courtesy of Google (http://www.google.com) (How does that search engine work :-? ) I found this link (http://www.newagedirectory.com/pro/malachy.htm) about the prophecies of St Malachy?

(So we have another pope to go before the final pope)

How long before the Woowoos remember this

Am I now a woowoo for recalling this :oops: #-o

Anyone feeling nervous that we have moved another step near the end of the world :P (But don't we do that every day :-? )

[collegeguy]

I am sure it won't be long before they remenber it. Anyway, here is another site with the Malachy prophecies. This one says that the pope after the next one is not the last one, but instead the one that sees the beginning of the tribulations of the book of Revelation.

http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article41.htm

[collegeguy]

Taken from one site:

In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there shall reign Peter the Roman who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the terrible judge will judge the people.” [6]

Taken from the other:


In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge the people. The End."

The two expressions differ. There is no "The End" on one. Also the words used to describe the judge are different: "terrible" or "formidable"

I don't know where to find a reliable source, but I would think catholicplanet should be more exact.

[tmosher]

There's this from newadvent.org:

The last of these prophecies concerns the end of the world and is as follows: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End." It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy's list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivæ. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before "Peter the Roman". Cornelius a Lapide refers to this prophecy in his commentary "On the Gospel of St. John" (C. xvi) and "On the Apocalypse" (cc. xvii-xx), and he endeavours to calculate according to it the remaining years of time.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12473a.htm

[Tacitus]

Well, whatever you think (or don't) about various prophesies on the Pope and the end of the world, there is no denying that the title of this thread is absolutely correct....

....we are one pope closer to the end of the world....

....but is there only one more to go or fifty thousand? Who knows?

[Kesh]

An interesting speculation in The DaVinci Code...

The "end" may simply be the end of an age. Our current age is ending, and we're moving into the "Age of Aquarius," the water bearer, a symbol of knowledge and leaving superstition behind.

The author speculates that this means an end of an age and an end of the Church, but not the end of the world.

[V-GER]

According to St Malachy the next Pope shall have a glorious reign and is supposed to be some sort of a peacemaker. Malachy calls him as "De Gloria Olivae" or the glory of olive. St Benedict made a prophecy in the 6th century that a representative of his order will lead the church just before the decisive battle between good and evil. Intrestingly enough, his order is also called as the "olivean"(not sure of the spelling...)

[collegeguy]

According to St Malachy the next Pope shall have a glorious reign and is supposed to be some sort of a peacemaker. Malachy calls him as "De Gloria Olivae" or the glory of olive. St Benedict made a prophecy in the 6th century that a representative of his order will lead the church just before the decisive battle between good and evil. Intrestingly enough, his order is also called as the "olivean"(not sure of the spelling...)

Most of the websites with the Saint Malachy's prophecies ( including one I posted in this thread) mention that the next pope will take the name "Benedict XVI". So every believer of this prophecy expects the next pope to be named Benedict XVI. They also say he will be black, likely of African origin.

[Sticks]

So where do they get these predictions / prophecies :-?

[Sticks]

More importantly, does the DEA know what they were on at the time :P

[NASA Fan]

How about it is because we get a Popette? (A female pope)

(I know--I know that is not possible due to what the women are allowed to do in the Catholic church.)

[collegeguy]

I am guessing since the prophecy says: "the terrible judge will judge the people", believers might be expecting the second coming of Christ or some "end of the world" related to Religion.

[kittynboi]

I think its worth considering that this is not only the first pope to die since a large number of people have become obsessed with end of the world prophecies and are able to communicate them to the world via the itnernet and publishing, but this is the first pope to die since the advent of our modern media circus that descends on all things with such sensationalism.

I'm not saying that the death of the pope is unimportant or anything, but I am saying that in our modern, media saturated world, important events and non important ones alike can be blown out of proportion and aare plastered on all the screens and papers and covers you see. With an event on everyones mind and with them being reminded of it everywhere they go, its not unusual that doomsayers might find their job a bit easier than they would in decades past.

A high school teacher of mine elaborated on this years ago, a history teacher, when I asked him if the world really was getting worse or something to that effect. this was during the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, all the stuff with I guess it was Milosivec and the Serbians, etc., everything that was going on in 1998-1999. He said no, and he attributed the attitudes of people who thought things were so much worse to modern communications developments. He essentially said that, long long ago, if some catastrophe or big event happened, people on the other side of the country or world may not hear about it until things were well underway or over. But with our mdoern, instant 24 hour news, it gives people the false impression that more bad things are happening more often, when all thats really changed is the rate and manner of coverage.

I've strayed a bit from the topic, but you see what I mean. Popes have died before, but this is the first one to die since all the above changes and the like in modern society have taken place, so the way people approach this will be different than it was in the past.

I was thinking about this today, when I saw more news about how many people have come to see the Popes body. In the decades past, before this Pope, not as many people had such instant access to air travel at the low prices we have today, and today many people can fly who could not have dreamed of it in the first half of the 20th century. And before that, the people who would have had a chance to see a Popes body would have been even less.

As for the solar eclipse, consider this. Some might take this as some sign or some such. But if this all transpired a century or so ago, and especially considering that it will be night in Rome when it happens and will only be visible in the souther hemisphere, people would not have even been aware of it until after the fact, unlike today, when it gets posted on Yahoo news and people can read all kinds of things in to it.

Well, anyway. ^_^; I used to post a very little on this site in 2003, but since then I've been doing other things.

[collegeguy]

Some people on the internet are relating the death of the pope and the partial solar eclipse of yesterday. The prophecy of saint Malachy refers to John Paul II with the expression: 'The labour of the sun". People have been saying that there was an eclipse when the pope was born and another one the day he has been buried. I don't know if any of you heard of it.

[tmosher]

Some people on the internet are relating the death of the pope and the partial solar eclipse of yesterday. The prophecy of saint Malachy refers to John Paul II with the expression: 'The labour of the sun". People have been saying that there was an eclipse when the pope was born and another one the day he has been buried. I don't know if any of you heard of it.

Stretching the truth a little bit.

According to the NASA/Goddard Eclipse site, the only eclipses I can find that are close are:

May 3, 1920 - total lunar eclipse visible in Americas, Europe, Africa, w Asia
May 18th, 1920 - partial solar visible in Australia, Antartica, South Indian Ocean

Pope John Paul II was born on May 20, 1920.

[Candy]

http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/figuren/a060.gif

[sarongsong]

Taxi (http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/pope-ufo.htm)?

[Jpax2003]

Just wait. They will start saying that the Pope's death this near to the NBC miniseries "Revelation" is not a coincidence...

[Candy]

Taxi (http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/pope-ufo.htm)?
It's a bird (http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3186873&nav=0Ra6YSYr).
The shot was taken from a network feed camera and shows a white object passing quickly on a diagonal trajectory from the upper middle part of the screen to the left.

24 Hour News 8 meteorologists say it appears to be a bird.
Looks like a dove to me with blurry wings.

From the raiders link, I wonder if there have always been birds in the background of paintings to symbolize something other than a UFO.

Painters just didn't have a way to 3D the bird making it look closer, rather than further away. :-k