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Cylinder
25-April-2005, 09:55 PM
Today is ANZAC day, a day set aside by Australians and New Zealanders to remember the botched landings at Gallipoli during WWI and to honor the service of the Australia and New Zealand Army Corps. From The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15087977%255E2702,00.html):

THEY came in darkness by coach and ferry, by mini-bus and camper-van, even on foot, the new Anzacs.

They came in tribute, they came to remember -- but above all they came in peace, 20,000 of them, the largest gathering of Australians and New Zealanders here since the daybreak onslaught against Turkish positions exactly nine decades ago.

And just after 5am, as dawn's gleam stole over the sky, touched the waves of Anzac Cove, and at last lit the peaks of Ari Burnu where once the trenches ran, an extraordinary sight met the eye.

The beachfront was revealed, filled with young people, draped in the national colours, wearing their flags like costumes; the steep sandy ridges had been occupied by a new generation of Australians, listening quietly as their political and military leaders recalled the birth of the nation's identity in the fires of war.

"Ninety years ago, the first sons of a young nation assailed these shores," proclaimed John Howard in his address at the dawn service.


The Gallipoli landings, championed by then First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill, was an attempt to break the development stalemate in the trenches of Western Europe by striking at the underbelly of the Ottoman Empire. A brief history of the Gallipoli campaign can be found here (http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/Anzac/galli-poli/).

The Gallipoli campaign, in which New Zealand made its first major effort during the First World War, had its origins in the stalemate which had developed on the Western Front by the end of 1914. Following the initial free-flowing operations, the opposing sides found themselves facing each other along a line of trenches which stretched from Switzerland to the Belgian coast. The power of the defense having already made its impact felt, statesmen in both camps were at a loss as to how to proceed. In these circumstances the need for an alternative approach was patent.

On the Allied side the search for an alternative was encouraged by the opportunities presented by superior seapower. With the German High Seas Fleet contained in the North Sea, the possibility of launching amphibious attacks on the enemy was particularly evident to the British First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill. Impatient to use British naval resources, he advanced a series of proposals, among them an assault on the Dardanelles-the nearly fifty-kilometre-long strait separating the Aegean Sea from the Sea of Marmara, which at its narrowest point, the Narrows, was less than two kilometres wide. The object would be to pass a force into the Sea of Marmara and threaten the capital of Germany's ally the Ottoman Empire.

The failure of leadership cited as the cause of the failure of the campaign led to Winston Churchill's ouster to the political wilderness.

The 90th anniversary of the landings were also observed in the UK. From the BBC story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4482815.stm):

The Queen joined 2,000 people at Westminster Abbey to mark the 90th anniversary of the Gallipoli landings.
More than 100,000 soldiers, including 21,000 British and Irish, died during the eight-month World War I campaign.

Prince Charles visited the landing spot in Turkey - which had been aligned with Germany and suffered most of the mission's fatalities - on Anzac Day.

The mission's aim was to push through the Dardanelles straits and capture the Turkish capital.

paulie jay
26-April-2005, 03:48 AM
Always an emotional day - equal parts pride and sadness. During that awful eight months Aussies and Kiwis forged a bond that would never be broken - all while fighting a war under another country's flag in a place no-one had even heard of.

We will remember them.

The Supreme Canuck
26-April-2005, 04:08 AM
They were fighting for us, too.

Thank you.

AGN Fuel
26-April-2005, 04:19 AM
Always an emotional day - equal parts pride and sadness. During that awful eight months Aussies and Kiwis forged a bond that would never be broken - all while fighting a war under another country's flag in a place no-one had even heard of.

We will remember them.

And while we remember the deeds of the ANZACS with pride, remember also the Turkish (from whose perspective were defenders against an invasion force), who suffered massive losses estimated at over 85,000 - somebodies father, husband, son.

A senseless, unforgivable waste of each country's youth.

paulie jay
26-April-2005, 04:27 AM
Certainly was - and good to see Turkish, New Zealand and Australian people coming together at the Gallipoli penninsula yesterday to pay respect and acknowledge each other's losses.

mickal555
26-April-2005, 08:23 AM
Some of the stories are amazing- the Aussies and the Turkish threw supplies to each other after a cease fire was called so that the sides could remove the bodies outside the trenches, when they sis they realised that they weren't facing a brutal enemy, but young solders such as themselves.

lest we forget

Obviousman
26-April-2005, 09:32 AM
I think one of the best moves in history was when Ataturk said:

"Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives;
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country.
Therefore rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie
side by side here in this country of ours.
You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries,
wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well."

He made friends of his former enemies.

Candy
26-April-2005, 09:45 AM
He made friends of his former enemies.
That brought tears to my eyes. Thanks for posting that beautiful quote.

Kiwi
26-April-2005, 11:32 AM
High on my "Wanted DVD" list is the incredible 1981, Peter Weir-directed film "Gallipoli," starring a much younger Mel Gibson. Those who haven't seen it, at least rent it. Maltin gives it 3-1/2 stars and high praise. An amazing film that tells the story of Gallipoli very well. I want to see it to compare it with "Saving Private Ryan" because my memory of it is that "Gallipoli" was the superior anti-war movie.

The Anzacs seem to have been looked on by the British as just cannon-fodder and treated accordingly. Australians and New Zealanders were innocents in the affair, but so too were the Turks.