Has anybody heard of the Georgia guidestones?

[collegeguy]

I was discussing with an illumianti believer about his beliefs. He told me that all of them are backed up by facts and showed me this:

http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm

Some excerpts:

The origin of that strange monument is shrouded in mystery because no one knows the true identity of the man, or men, who commissioned its construction. All that is known for certain is that in June 1979, a well-dressed, articulate stranger visited the office of the Elberton Granite Finishing Company and announced that he wanted to build an edifice to transmit a message to mankind. He identified himself as R. C. Christian, but it soon became apparent that was not his real name. He said that he represented a group of men who wanted to offer direction to humanity, but to date, almost two decades later, no one knows who R. C. Christian really was, or the names of those he represented. Several things are apparent. The messages engraved on the Georgia Guidestones deal with four major fields: (1) Governance and the establishment of a world government, (2) Population and reproduction control, (3) The environment and man's relationship to nature, and (4) Spirituality.

THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

He claims that this is proof of the illumianti's plans. Of course, I am doing research on it right now. Any of you heard of it? can you provide me hepl to answer to this new claim?

[R.A.F.]

Never heard of it...there is something I don't understand...

He claims that this is proof of the illumianti's plans.

He claims that what is proof...The existence of these "stones"? The message upon them? How would that be "proof" of even the existence of the Illuminati??...not to mention any "plans".

[collegeguy]

Well, he says that the "commandments" in this stone show that some group is working to:

Decrease the number of humans to 500 million.
Control reproduction.
Establish one religion.
establish one world government.

It doesn't help the fact that nobody really knows the real name of R.C Christian who asked for them, to be built. they were supposed to be built in honor of Thomas Paine and his deist ideals.

[R.A.F.]

Well, he says that the "commandments" in this stone show that some group is working to:

Decrease the number of humans to 500 million.
Control reproduction.
Establish one religion.
establish one world government.

emphasis mine...

Actually, the only thing the existence of these stones proves is that an individual payed to have them erected. I see no evidence of anything beyond that.

I could do the same thing...making my own list of "things mankind should do"...and it would mean nothing...

an aside...I'm not trying to be disagreeable or argumentative here...I just don't see this as anything other than an eccentric fellow being eccentric.

[collegeguy]

I agree that this proves nothing. Only that an individual who didn't reveal his name or the identity of the people who sent him and financed the project, asked for a monument to be built. some sites claim that the R.C in R.C christian stand for rosicrucian of the freemasons. If it was buiilt in the name of Thomas Paine, it could have been built by an occultist group. There are groups like that in America.

[01101001]

I just don't see this as anything other than an eccentric fellow being eccentric.

And after all, what is more likely, that there once was an eccentric fellow, or that there is a dangerous covert all-powerful organization that puts up a bunch of engraved stones as a message to mankind -- yet uses its vast power to suppress knowledge of that message?

[collegeguy]

I just don't see this as anything other than an eccentric fellow being eccentric.

And after all, what is more likely, that there once was an eccentric fellow, or that there is a dangerous covert all-powerful organization that puts up a bunch of engraved stones as a message to mankind -- yet uses its vast power to suppress knowledge of that message?

Maybe it was financed by an occultist group who planned to use it for the rituals that have sometimes taken place there. But it is no proof of the illuminati. It can't be called concrete proof.
I am more open to believe that it was done by some occultist group and not by a caba of powerful people who want to bring about a new worl oder.

[R.A.F.]

I am more open to believe that it was done by some occultist group and not by a caba of powerful people who want to bring about a new worl oder.

Sure...that is certainly possible. But from the only evidence we have, this is the work of one individual.

I could walk up to someone and say, "I represent a group". Does that prove that I actually represent said group, or that said group even exists, (given the total lack of any other information?) I'd have to say no, it doesn't prove that at all.

[01101001]

Sure...that is certainly possible. But from the only evidence we have, this is the work of one individual..
Heh. Maybe RC had multiple-personality disorder.

Really, I'd expect it's the act of an individual with poor judgment and too much money rather than a group. Groups tend to make wiser decisions.

By the way the article cited implies that somehow the Guidestones are some big secret, but I first heard of them about 10 years ago. Granted most Americans probably haven't heard of them, but the same goes for the vast majority of all monuments. The earliest I see them referenced in Usenet is late 1995. They are not exactly a recent discovery.

Among the non-woowoo sites describing them -- they get far more woo attention -- are:

Georgia tourism (http://roadsidegeorgia.com/site/guidestones.html)
Elberton, Georgia site (http://www.nega.net/elberton/georgia.htm)
U of Georgia info (http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/statues/guidestones.htm)
Georgia encyclopedia (http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?path=/HistoryArchaeology/HistoriansHistoricalOrganization/Sites&id=h-3163)
Well, you get the idea. It seems those alleged Illuminati folks aren't doing a very good job of keeping it quiet, nor, on the other hand, of publicizing it -- whatever might be their goal.

[Bluestar]

I hadn' t seen that. Is it for real?

[collegeguy]

After talking to the illuminati believer and telling him that the georgia guidestones weren't good enough, he answered me he couldn't give me the proof as it is a family matter.

Sorry, I though it only applied to this forum. The info was from other. i didn't know it was illegal to post it here.

How selfish! He won't share his decisive proof as it is a family matter. How will I be saved now? :o

[Tensor]

After talking to the illuminati believer and telling him that the georgia guidestones weren't good enough, he answered this in pm:

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How selfish! He won't share his decisive proof as it is a family matter. How will I be saved now? :o

collegeguy, I suggest you read section four under the ground rules in the FAQ. You might want to edit this.

[azazul]

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Current population at this time from U.S. and World Population Clocks (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html) is 6,447,218,291
This should be proof not to take these Georgia Guidestones seriously. Because anything that set out to keep the population under 500,000,000 failed miserably.

[collegeguy]

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Current population at this time from U.S. and World Population Clocks (http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html) is 6,447,218,291
This should be proof not to take these Georgia Guidestones seriously. Because anything that set out to keep the population under 500,000,000 failed miserably.
No, of course not. :D it was supposed to start working in a future date. It hasn't failed, it just hasn't started yet. #-o

[Tensor]

Sorry, I though it only applied to this forum. The info was from other. i didn't know it was illegal to post it here.


Nope, form other posts, it appears to apply to all private email. I just thought I would point it out so you could take care of it. :)

[Gullible Jones]

First of all, I think I'll quote myself:

This smacks of woo!

Secondly... Are those goals listed supposed to be those of the Illuminati? If so, then they're quite admirable, other than the garbage about faith.

[azazul]

No, of course not. :D it was supposed to start working in a future date. It hasn't failed, it just hasn't started yet. #-o

Let me guess, it starts in 2012.

[Tuckerfan]

How selfish! He won't share his decisive proof as it is a family matter. How will I be saved now? :oJust make sure you're Eaten First! (http://www.genfoods.net/cthulhu/default.html) (Note, link is probably NOT safe for work, since it contains some four letter words, but it's danged funny, IMHO.)

[Tensor]

Let me guess, it starts in 2012.

Or it ends in 2012. Take you pick. :wink:

[collegeguy]

Lol :lol: , listen to this. This is how the illuminati are going to get rid of all of us, or until there are only 500 million:

During World War 3, either the US or Russia will attack the other with nukes. Then, before the counterattack or using the nuclear submarines, they will also attack and destroy completely every other nation, since if they don't, other nations would attack them (with MAD as a premise). :o

Does that make sense to you? I mean, would it be a good move to attack, not only the rival nation or group, but also every other nation because they can join the enemy? Wouldn't it be better to fight only the other nation or group and not touch others ,because, if you do, they will come after you too? Wouldn't a preattack have the opposite effect of what you were trying to accomplish? #-o

I also find amusing how these people think all the world would stand up to stop the nations or groups using nukes. Superpowers might intervene, but poor nations in South America, Africa and third world have enough problems as it is, to enter a military conflict with superpowers.

What do you think? Does this make sense to you?

[Morrolan]

of course it doesn't make sense. this is typically the remnant of old soviet era Conspiracy woo^2 and now that the Soviet Union is no more they just put Russia in order for the Conspiracy to continue.

regretfully for them, Russia, at this point in time, does no longer control the amount of nuclear weapons they used to (quite a number of their nuclear arsenal is placed in Ukraine, an independent nation), nor do they have the military might to fulfill the quest of the destruction of civilization As We Know It.

and i'm not even touching the part of reasons for a war between the US and Russia, considering how ridiculous that is given the current geopolitical status quo. #-o

if the Illuminati were really out to reduce mankind in this way, then i'm afraid their window of opportunity has meanwhile closed... [-X :-({|=