The word Fail is henceforth banned

[Sticks]

See this link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4697461.stm)

So Discovery was stopped by a deferred success on a sensor then :roll:

[Lance]

<shaking head side to side>

If they really think kids are so stupid as to not understand deferred success really means failure, the kids will become that stupid.

[Gillianren]

you know, sometimes, that success can be deferred for a looooong time.

[Jorge]

I would go...

You did great (if we compare you to a pupil who is 4 year bellow you)

not saying the (...) part

[Jpax2003]

To twist a George Carlin-ism one might say that the sensor was "less than minimally exceptional"

[Charlie in Dayton]

Does this mean that these...educators...are displaying deferred intelligence?

[AGN Fuel]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: #-o

Given the football team I support has been deferring their success for so long, shouldn't they get some sort of trophy?

After all, I doubt that anyone else has such a great record of success deferral than them, so it should be rewarded.

[hippietrekx]

#-o

Uh... typically in most cases (not all cases, some situations have different circumatances) the kids who are failing already do not like school and do not like homework.

I guess I have a lot of deferred success friends then... They're not stupid, just apathetic and lazy. My friends whould see through the nice words quite easily, and they're at the bottom of the class as far as grades go!

Fail and deferred success are the same. If you call a skunk a flower, it's still a skunk. I don't understand; who are these teachers trying to fool? Definately not the "deferred successors"...

--hippie

[Maksutov]

T+89.000

Greene in mission control utters the first words since the explosion 13 seconds ago: "FIDO, trajectories..."

FIDO: "Go ahead."

Greene: "Trajectory, FIDO."

FIDO: "Flight, FIDO, filters (radar) got discreting sources. We're go."

Ground control (GC) engineer N.R. Talbott, mission control: "Flight, GC, we've had negative contact, loss of downlink (of radio voice or data from Challenger)."

Greene: "OK, all operators, watch your data carefully."

FIDO: "Flight, FIDO, till we get stuff back he's on his cue card for abort modes."

Greene: "Procedures, any help?"

Unknown: "Negative, flight, no data."

T+110.250

Range safety control officers send radio signals that detonate the self-destruct package on right-hand solid rocket.

T+110.252

The left-hand booster self destructs. Tracking camera closeup: a thick cloud of black smoke suddenly engulfs rocket and brilliant but quick explosion ensues. Numerous fragments of the booster emerge from the fireball, including what appears to be a complete aft fuel segment, slowly tumbling.

T+1 min 56 sec

Nesbitt: "Flight controllers here are looking very carefully at the situation. Obviously a major deferred success."
:evil:

[Jorge]

:o

no that sound weird, and yeah if you tell the student they "flowered" test (was thinking of a pretty and nice word to use)

then after 1 or to Flowers they know that word is bad too, so it doesn't matter what you call it

once we know wordhere = bad its all the same

[farmerjumperdon]

Do not expect terminology generated by political correctness to make sense. It's purpose is to improve the image of the speaker to those that kowtow to correctness to begin with, not to clearly communicate to the population as a whole. To people without a politicized agenda, PC is a joke.

[Swift]

Remember those famous words...
"Deferred success is not an option!"
:lol:

[Maksutov]

To paraphrase the late, great Strother Martin,

What we've got here is...deferred success to communicate.

[snowcelt]

Same story with people all over the world who want to compartmentalize the language to suit their agenda. Thus, the only way you are allowed to use those particular words or phrases are when you speak in their limited linguistic world.

[Graham2001]

This is one of the reasons I cannot stand the concept of 'Outcomes Based Education'.

Everyone has to be 'above average'.

[Grey]

Everyone has to be 'above average'.
Of course, that's true (at least for the children) in Lake Wobegon (http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/features/hodgepodge/chats_1997/100197_children_hearts.shtml). :D

[martinvi]

*sigh*

I really dislike "political correct" double-, triple- and zero-speak.

[Jim]

I guess I have a lot of deferred success friends then... They're not stupid, just apathetic and lazy.

No, no, no! You still don't get it.

They are "motivationally challenged" and experiencing a "deferred activity" state. Get with the program, please.

[Tranquility]

Heh man George Carlin had a comment to go with every situation. He was talking about feminists and how they want to change the language to suit the agenda, it went something like this:

"I think chairman ought to be chairperson. I think mankind ought to be human kind, but they take it too far, they take themselves too seriously, they exaggerate. They want me to call that thing in the street a personhole cover. I think that's taking it a little bit too far. What would you call a lady's man, a person's person? That would make a He-man an It-person. Little kids would be afraid of the boogieperson. They'd look up in the sky and see the person in the moon. Guys would say come back here and fight like a person. And we'd all sing "for it's a jolly good person." That's the kind of thing you would hear on late-night with David Letterperson.

[hippietrekx]

I guess I have a lot of deferred success friends then... They're not stupid, just apathetic and lazy.

No, no, no! You still don't get it.

They are "motivationally challenged" and experiencing a "deferred activity" state. Get with the program, please.

Lol. I'll have to remember to tell them that's what they are. They'll probably just make fun of themselves and say, "Don't use big words! AH!"

Mybe they're just strage, no, uh... "deffered from normality."

See, I'm getting it! :D

--hippie

[Enzp]

Gunperson kills three, faces hangperson.

Some local schoolboard cretin was getting his 30 seconds on the local newscast recently. He used the word "cessate" three times in that period rather than saying "end." As in we will cessate the program. I wanted to smack him.

I was once "corrected" by a PC individual when I referred to her work with a retarded person. "That is 'person with retardation,'" she scolded me. ""Retarded person' puts the disability ahead of the person."

SO I got in my truck red and drove to my home rural and thought about what a boy bad I had been.

[zebo-the-fat]

If the kids see through the plot and realise that they have still failed, the idea is a failure. (oh! I can't use that word!)
If they don't, and think they are a success, they are in for a nasty shock when they leave school and join the real world!

[mickal555]

In my primary school we got on our reports
Either:

achieving with support
achieving at year level
achieving well

:-? #-o

[Maksutov]

In my primary school we got on our reports
Either:

achieving with support
achieving at year level
achieving well

:-? #-o
Wait a minute.

Aren't all Oz students, by definition, downunderachievers? :wink:

[Trebuchet]

My brother tells of a college Psychology professor who used the sentence "This behavior is most pronounced in avian species". In English, birds do it. Sheesh.

What I found interesting in the original story was that the teachers had no problem with calling with calling a spade a spade when it came to bullies. That's probably because bullying is blamed on the bully, whereas failing students may indicate a failure of the teachers themselves.

[Gillianren]

which of course isn't fair, either. (in most cases.) heck, I failed a semester of English in high school, because I didn't do most of the work. the only conceivable way this could have been Mr. Garden's fault was either he should have known that I was good at English, and therefore given me an A based on that (you laugh; I've had teachers do it), or that he just shouldn't have assigned that much work.

now, it did take them until 4th grade to diagnose my younger sister with dyslexia, but that's almost as much my fault as the teachers'; they assumed she was taking after me.

[GDwarf]

Along similar PC lines, did anyone here know that the Canadian National Anthem was in danger of being changed? Yes, from 'True Patriot love, in all our son's command' to '...in all of our command', may not seem that bad, but still, that change was proposed... only last year, it appears PCism is still going strong.

As for not failing, I disagree strongly with this, I saw a report card from a school that didn't want any students to feel bad, you couldn't tell what the kid's weaknesses were, mainly because the report card didn't mention them, it only mentioned what they were good at, and it did so in highly exaggerated language. The idea behind a report card is to tell people what they can improve upon, if student's really feel so bad about getting a bad one, they should work harder to improve it, or their parents shouldn't rub it in so much. (I'm still a high school student, my marks aren't stellar (79% or so average) but if I fail a test I'd prefer to know that, so that I can, I don't know, study maybe?

[EvilBob]

Along similar PC lines, did anyone here know that the Canadian National Anthem was in danger of being changed? Yes, from 'True Patriot love, in all our son's command' to '...in all of our command', may not seem that bad, but still, that change was proposed... only last year, it appears PCism is still going strong.For what it's worth, the Australian national anthem has already been changed on similar lines. The song originally started:
Australia's sons let us rejoiceWhen it was adopted as our anthem, it was changed to:
Australians all let us rejoice :roll:
It was also edited of a few dull verses, including one that claimed:
Her sons in fair Australia's land Still keep a British soul.So there was some improvement.

[Sticks]

At work we have been told that we should not criticise political correctness in any way shape or form, because it is trying to do the right thing. :o


You will be Politically Correct or you will be Re-educated :o

[Captain Kidd]

You will be Politically Correct or you will be Re-educated :o
That's re-Neducation ;)

So, at what point do they just quite giving tests? If they don't test the student, then they don't have to come up with wishy-washy words to keep little Jimmy or Susan from feeling bad.

[Samara]

Oh good ___ (Edited for political correctness)

These teachers are doing a lot more harm than good. The real world is about success and failure, and if you fail in the real world, people won't coddle you and try to help you with your "deferred sucess" No, they will drop you like a hot potato.

[Swift]

Oh good ___ (Edited for political correctness)

These teachers are doing a lot more harm than good. The real world is about success and failure, and if you fail in the real world, people won't coddle you and try to help you with your "deferred sucess" No, they will drop you like a hot potato.
You know the really sad thing in my experience is that the real (business) world has half done this. Oh sure, you'll be fired, but they don't call it that, you are "down-sized" or "right-sized". One of my co-workers was "involutarily terminated" last year and my boss got annoyed when I said something about Tom being "fired". :-? So maybe it's perfect training for the real world - we make it sound all nice, but it's still the same old tough world, little kiddies.