Know anyone with rhuematism???

[Mosheh Thezion]

I have rheumatism.. and its hell on earth...

it wont kill you, but it tortures you with agony and slowly makes you a cripple by destroying your joints...


i have been on ibuprofen for years... and out of fear for my kidneys, i have tried something else...

AND FOR ME... IT WORKS..

FISH OIL.. 1200 MG PILLS.. OMEGA 3 ONLY.. NO OMEGA 6..

AND I FEEL WONDERFUL.. and my need for ibuprofen is almost completely zip.

ive gone from pain, and taking 12-20 ibuprofens a day, to taking just .. 2.

instead i take 7 big fish oil pills.. 2-3 times a day

and i feel awesome.. i can honestly say, i havent felt this good in years.

if you know anyone who is taking risky drugs... for their pain and inflimation..

tell them..

its my new best friend.


-MT

( i also take 300 mg ginsing, for energy, which helps by warming the body, due to the improved metabolism. but the ginsing does nothing for pain, or inflimation... fish oil does. its a cox2 inhibitor.. just like viox.. or celebrex)

[Robert Andersson]

My mother has something like it. She recently relocated herself to Teneriffe (Canary Islands), where she reports feeling a lot better. I might forward your suggestions anyway.

[Mosheh Thezion]

climate has a big effect....

in fact.. when it was at its worst., (pain)..

i could literally... literally.. predict the weather.... i could feel the clouds approuching... especially if they are storm clouds...

the pain would rise... and rise... and be maximum when the storm is overhead...

i should have been a weather man.. then...

but i changed my diet.. as by eating less animal products.. less meat..
(helps alot... meats are cox2 stimulators... generally..)

and changed my diet to increase water, and carbohydrate intake, to prevent the oxidation of body fat which raises acidity...

but recently.. ive come to learn that surtain foods, cause.. or stimulate the cox2 gene.. that controlls inflimation.. or causes it.. and that other foods, are natural cox2 inhibitors... like OMEGA3 fatty acids.. found in fish oil.

blueberrie's also help. they are also cox2 inhibiting.. but they cost to much... yet are so delicious...

and to be effective one has to eat pounds of them... which is hard.

my suggestion to all who may suffer, is to never give up, and never settle for what the medical industry tells you..

in 1984.. arthritis.. was a 12 trillion dollar a year industry.. ie.. pain pills..

that was along time ago.. they dont want to cure it.. just find the perfect product to sell to us...

But i wont play... and i keep studing it.
which is what we must all do.. since we are all different.. slightly.
-MT
large does of vitamin E also helps alot.. but will make you moody.

what i would do.. is cut out a surtain foods, or food groups and see if it helps.

then i would add.. large does of a specific food, and see if it helps..
like papaya... it helps alot.. and takes away all foot pain.. but thats it.

some people claim that lemon juice does it.... or being stung by a bee...

some have been cured by electrocution... but im not sure i want to try that one.

[Candy]

Why is that? How can you predict the weather with your bad joints?

[Frog march]

An old cure for arthritus is nettle stings and bee/wasp stings.

Some chemical in the sting or something.

[Candy]

An old cure for arthritus is nettle stings and bee/wasp stings.

Some chemical in the sting or something.
Or the freaking pain from those stings! Sure, I'd forget about giving birth to a huge 10 pound bowling ball, too, if I were being stung by nasty bugs.

[Candy]

Ew!!!!

[jumbo]

Im not sure how it works. My dad can tell if theres a rain storm on the way. He has trouble with his back and neck. (Specifially slipped and crushed disks in the spine) He seems to get more pain and in certain places if there is such a change in weather coming. The moisture in the air seems to have an effect on the material between his bones. Not sure of the exact mechanism but there appears to be a correlation between the pain and the onset of the weather

[Frog march]

if it was the moisture in the air then maybe someone could test it by breathing in steam from a bowl with a cloth over their head.

Or perhaps it affects the skin I don't know.

[Candy]

So you people are saying the ill body is in touch with the weather?

[jumbo]

It would seem that there is some predictive ability involved.
In the case of my dad he gets shooting pain through the neck and right to the base of the spine when the weather is changing.
If its not nmoisture i wonder could the joints (because they lack some of the cushioning effect form the materil between the bones) be more sensitive to pressure and hence the pressure changes associated with a change in weather. It would be a small effect i know but i wonder if its a possibility.

[sarongsong]

That's great!
DMSO (http://dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm) has also been reported effective, available at feed-and-tack stores for about US$10/pint (99% pure).

[EvilBob]

It would seem that there is some predictive ability involved.
In the case of my dad he gets shooting pain through the neck and right to the base of the spine when the weather is changing.
If its not nmoisture i wonder could the joints (because they lack some of the cushioning effect form the materil between the bones) be more sensitive to pressure and hence the pressure changes associated with a change in weather. It would be a small effect i know but i wonder if its a possibility.
Could it be the changing air pressure? Does anyone know if slight changes in atmospheric pressure cause differing pressures or something in soft tissue / cartilage?

[Candy]

That's great!
DMSO (http://dmso.org/articles/information/muir.htm) has also been reported effective, available at feed-and-tack stores for about US$10/pint (99% pure).
Rachel Carson is the mother of this, isn't she? ;)

[Van Rijn]

Could it be the changing air pressure? Does anyone know if slight changes in atmospheric pressure cause differing pressures or something in soft tissue / cartilage?

This:

http://arthritis.about.com/od/arthqa/f/weather.htm

and this:

http://www.mindandbody.com.au/2002-2/arthritis_weather.html

seem interesting. (In studies, pressure and temperature look like they can cause flareups.)

While I don't have nearly as much joint pain as I used to (hope it stays that way ...) in my case, temperature changes certainly seem to cause flareups. When the weather starts getting cooler, I'm pretty sure to at least have a few days with a painful knee, shoulder or some other joint.

Omega-3s are anti-inflammatory and do appear to be medically useful. I'd avoid DMSO though. That can be dangerous stuff.

[Gillianren]

"rheumatism" would be what people a long time ago called what is now called "rheumatoid arthritis." I don't have it, though I do tend to refer to my joint pain as "the rheumatiz" when I'm in pain but not enough to be wiped out by it.

the bloodwork's at the lab, but what I have is almost certainly osteoarthritis. I've been taking glucosamine chondroitin for it, and I have fewer flare-ups. I keep seeing the ads for the shot that makes you not hurt for three months and drooling. I can't even imagine what that would be like, even though I know it happened.

I'm really, really wary of using pain killers, simply because I have such a fear of the day they stop working.

[Mosheh Thezion]

glucosamine condriten, is my second best friend.. it really works..

and i have spoken with doctors, who say they have examined people, in detail and have no doubt that glucosamine has kept their joints good, and in some cases repaired them... good thing in mot alergic to shell fish..

i have spoken with a pharmicist, and searched the web,... including web md. and there is no info about any negative side effects of fish oil..

its a food....

regarding the weather.. there was one thing that with one dose... stopped all the weather related pain... large doses of vitamin E...

the only thing i can figure, based on my experience.. is that it is not the air pressure, or moisture level... as they dont seem to do anything...

but for me.. to me.. it seems as if the chnage in the electrical envioment was the cause...
ie.. the density of the field around us, between the earth and the cloud, is dependant on the size and full ness of the clouds..
and as a storm moves in.. its field moves in with it...

that suggest an electical connection in the nerves... somehow..

it wouldnt matter if it rained or not.. just the potential for rain...
which i propose is an electrical potential...
and some how i was sensitive to it...

ahh the shooting pain... i can remember... but like i said.. vitamin E.

-MT
but if you take large doses of vitamin E, you must take a B complex vitamin to calm your nerves.. otherwise, you may find yourself yelling at really big people,. who can beat you up.. but you wont care... cause you are so pumped with vitiman E that you feel so strong..

if ever i was to give a debate, or speach.. i would eat alot of vitamin E 2 hours before... as such makes me much more aggressive...

-MT

[Mosheh Thezion]

In case it matters to any biologists or future doctors out there...

the fish oil treatment for the past 4 days has yielded good success..
as i feel i am free from the ibuprofen, since i took two the first day..
then only two the second... and today none...

thats from 20 a day to zero.. in three days...

and im not in any pain.... some of you may not realise how amazing that actually is.

but there are side effects... mostly i think im withdrawing from the ibuprofen since i have been on it for many.. many years.. and at large doses...
im a perfect case study for its effects...

i feell wierded out.. but better.. in fact there is a surtain mental sharpness that accompanies its consumption... like i can hear the notes of music on the radio better... as sounds generally seems more clear... and for the first time in my life, when hearing music i honestly desire to dance.. which is extremely strange, as i have always been aposed to dancing...
so to think that my ingestion of omega 3 fish oil, should make me feel like dancing i think is very odd, and probubly has to due to a side effect in my motivational areas of the brain.. either that, or ive simply repressed it all these years...
but i dont think so.. i think its the fish oil.
-MT

[Candy]

Good for you, Mosheh! I'm glad you're feeling better. I don't understand certain illnesses sometimes, so I'm sorry if I seem distant at times.

[Mosheh Thezion]

you are distant.. thats the awesomeness of this darn computer..
I am grateful to science.. for having come up with the products... and in this case allowed us the means of distilling out the omega 6 and 9's.....
other wise fish oil doesnt do anything.. (you can get fish oil which 3,6,and 9)
and that oil doesnt do anything.. i know.. ive tried it.
-MT

[Candy]

you are distant.. thats the awesomeness of this darn computer..

I've been to Burbank before. I know where you are. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/muede/f025.gif

[Mosheh Thezion]

I am where i am, and i cant go anywhere else, but i can always change where i am, and most importantly, why!
-MT

[Candy]

I am where i am, and i cant go anywhere else, but i can always change where i am, and most importantly, why!
-MT
You don't have to change anything about you, sweetie. I was just using words via the internet. Dang, the internet is all powerful! ;)

[breeze]

Mosheh,

I have Systemic Lupus, which is related and I completely understand about the weather. I live in Santa Barbara and the fog here just about does me in when it's in. I started getting symptoms when I lived in Japan and the humidity there was awful! I cannot predict the weather anymore (thank God!) but the heat and moisture of August mean that I spend most of the summer indoors. (Sunlight actually starts the anit-inflammatory process in Lupus.) So next year I am moving to Arizona. Mostly because I feel better there, but also because I love the mountains.

I am glad you are feeling better. I used to take fish oil capsules, but to be honest got really tired of burping them up. Ugh. Thanks for the tip about meat. I think I'll try to cut down. It is my main source of protein. I seem to need lots of protein.

Glucosamine and chondroitin are very good for your joints. I used to work for an importer of the good stuff (not the cheesy stuff that comes from China, but the good stuff that comes in from Argentina and Uruguay). I do hope however that you have not abandoned your rheumatologist?

Take care of yourself!
Brenda

[antoniseb]

I've tried a bunch of things, and Chondroitin Glucosamine worked pretty well for a while. The Omega-3 fish oil has not worked well for me. Ibuprofin has been OK for short terms getting serious inflamation down, but it is not helpful long term.

What works best is not aggrevating my joints.

[Gillianren]

I have a friend who makes massage oils, and she's got a few formulated for bad joints that really help--to the extent that, on damp and cold ren faire weekends, I go over to her booth and make her help me with my knees. the head medic at faire knows which knee is worse. last summer, I spent third weekend almost unable to walk. faire is a bad hobby for someone with my knees, but I'd rather have the pain than give it up.

[Mosheh Thezion]

Long ago.. about 7 years.. i was practically bed ridden... an i took maybe 40 200 mg ibuprofen a day just to keep a striaght face...
i tried many things... ie. experimenting with foods.. cut some out.. add some.
as i found papaya and vitamin E were very helpful for my feet and weather pain.

then i having read alittle more... i desided to try going completely off animal products.. specifically.. i.e.. sugar is my fiend.. eggs, milk, meat, cheese and all things animal was not..

and on the first day.. nothing happened.. i was hungry for meat.
on the second day, nothing happened.. still pain.. want meat.
on the third day nothing happen.. pain.. want meat!
but on the forth day...
on the forth day.. i woke up and i felt 95 % better... ahh.. what a glorious day..
from torture to calm aches....
on that day, i stopped being a meat lover.. or milk lover. or cheese lover.

but im not a vegan now.. the longest ive gone is 30 days.. and i became literally. comparitively for me.. scatterbrained.. and slow witted.

but the fish oil seems to serve as the anti to the inflamitory qualities of all the really bad food that i still eat.

as ive noticed that fasting.. fastings.. starving myself.. actually makes me feel better also.. but i believe that is simply because my blood is then thinner...
-MT

[Mosheh Thezion]

I've tried a bunch of things, and Chondroitin Glucosamine worked pretty well for a while. The Omega-3 fish oil has not worked well for me. Ibuprofin has been OK for short terms getting serious inflamation down, but it is not helpful long term.

What works best is not aggrevating my joints.

i know this is gunna sound crazy... and im not a doctor and i cant give advise.. really so take this as from a madman..

but the bottle says take 2.. and if i do so.. it maybe helps.. i think?
not really sure..
but when i take 10 then bam.. suddenly i said wow.. it works.
and since its food.. in not to worried.

and make sure there is no omega 6 in that oil.. as 6 cancils 3.
-MT

[dirkbontes]

FISH OIL.. 1200 MG PILLS.. OMEGA 3 ONLY.. NO OMEGA 6..
ive gone from pain, and taking 12-20 ibuprofens a day, to taking just .. 2.
instead i take 7 big fish oil pills.. 2-3 times a day


Hi,

Thanks. I am writing a little book in Dutch about the cause of chronic diseases and I will put this in my book. I am working on the last two chapters but it does not progress much as I am procrastinating.

Are you taking 7 pills per day or 14 or 21? That is not clear from your statement.

That meat that you used to eat: was it fresh or chemically treated?

As to the weather: I would suspect air pressure, but your suggestion about electrical fields certainly is interesting. Do you also respond to artificial changes in the electric field, for example when you approach or move away from a high voltage electric cable?

[Van Rijn]

I know there have been some real medical studies that seem to show positive results using Omega 3s in Crohn's disease and some other inflammatory diseases. It usually takes substantial doses, and given the lack of regulation in food supplements, there really is no way to be sure you're getting a consistent dose. You might be able to do okay with one brand, but you probably can't generalize dosage requirements between brands.

The other problem is that many autoimmune diseases can go into partial (or sometimes even full) remission for substantial periods of time, so your millage may vary ...

MT, do you have many side effects/annoyances from the fish oil, such as bad breath and gastrointestinal problems?

[Mosheh Thezion]

Van rijn:
actually no.. i feel better.. great even.. not perfect.. but i almost forget im arthritic.. when im not moving to much.. but gases and urine smell different, and yet somehow my bowls seem pleased.. and comforted... coated anyway.



Dirk Bontes:

ive been taking 7 in the morning.. and 4 every 4 hours or so.. and depending on how much i eat i take more.. i.e 4 with each burger..
so each day, i have estimated about 30 grams or so a day...

it maybe alot. but i dont care.. i don't need the iduprofen, and my energy is way up.. although i noticed that after the second day. of being up, on oil....
i felt fully drained... and weak.. but a multivitamin solved that, and im good to go.
the first 2 days... i would get very cold.. even when it was not cold...

like cold in the bones... its wierd.. but by the 3rd day it stopped and i have been normal...

i believe it was symptoms of detoxing from years of ibuprofen...

today is day 5, 2 days without ibuprofen.. and im good.. better really.

the oil seems to have a distinct mental effect, a kind of sharpness or rapidness of mind. where music seems clearer..
however i have noticed for the past 4 days of work... the day seems to go by like in maybe 2 hours.. next thing i know its 4pm.. and i cant believe it....
its like when we go to someplace really fun.. and spend the whole,day, but at the end, it seems like it was only a short time.
I'd like to think my job is fun... but its not that fun.

it seems to effect my mind in many ways that Methamphedmines did, in that it serves to make me more motivated.. and ready to do.. as i find myself compulsively toe tapping and singing to music, and i honestly feel an increase in my nerve.. so to speak.. as if i could sing Karaoki... which i would not normally do.
similar to the effects of large doses of vitamin E.. while vitamin E will make you very moody.. the fish oil does not seem to have any such effect.


the meat i ate?? i have no idea.. but i ate it all.. i was on atkins before it was invented.. but i wasnt dieting.. i just ate badly..


and when i had weather pain, i was never affected by any power lines, as far as i could tell.. besides.. the fields of such are vibrating and reversing.

the field from the clouds is polar. i.e.. negative on the bottom and positive on top.. and so. i did try many time.. changing my bodies position relative to the supposive field, but it never did anything...
all i know is i would be at maximum pain when the center of the storm was above me... and i knew it was leaving, cause the pain would go down...
and it was i should add.. aways a pain that would run down one finger and into a major tendomn or muscle in my forearm, leading to the elbow...

as if one line of continually conneted tendons and cartilige was effected, but the rest wasnt bothered.. it ****ed me off.

but then one day.. i didnt care anymore... and i was gunna try anything, and i heard vitamin E was pretty safe, so i eat a big hand full.. just to see what woud happen..
and it was a stormy day... and in 15 minutes the pain left.. in 1/2 hour i was feeling great.. relatively.. and i eat vitamin E everyday for 2 weeks.
until i alsmost got in a fight with a guy 2 times my size.. but i didnt care.. i was mad.. and my brain was raging and i was poking my finger in his face, and acting like i was some tough guy... and amazingly enough he backed down..

about 1/2 hour later, i realise what i had done.. and how lucky i was that guy didnt take me apart.

vitamin B, multi.. stops the moodness of vitamin E. i soon found out.
-MT