User gender N+1: Personality types

[AstroSmurf]

I am curious about what kind of people hang around here. One way of classifying personalities is the 16 Jungian "archetypes", which I've found useful but somewhat incomplete. If any of you have "found" your own archetype, it'd be interesting to know what it is. I expect most people here to be INTJ or INTP types, but I'm prepared to be proven wrong. I myself am an odd bird in this place, since INFJ is what matches me best.

http://similarminds.com/personality_tests.html has various tests to determine the personality type.
http://www.typelogic.com has descriptions of the various personality types.

I found that the tests are a good pointer, but the descriptions are better to see if the results truly match.

[ToSeek]

I'm a slightly confused INTJ. I'm very "I" and very "J" but right on the fence for N/S and only a bit toward the "T" side of T/F.

[genebujold]

"gender" N+1?

If you're looking at gender, there are 144 types, as follows:

1. Biological gender (3): male, female, mixed/androgynous

2. Subjective gender (how we view ourselves) (4): male, female, mixed, androgynous/non-gender

3. Attracted gender (to whom we're attracted) (3): male, female, bi

4. Expressive gender (how we choose to appear to others) (4): male, female, bi, androgynous/non-gender

As for Jung, I've always scored very near the middle between all categories.

[AstroSmurf]

Well, there used to be a lot of threads named 'User Gender VI: favourite pet' and so forth... I've lost count :p

[Moose]

INTP (Inventor) usually, though I drew ISTP (Engineer) this time around. I'm usually around the center of the N/S scale and I/E scales. T and P are much firmer.

[Stregone]

Jung Test Results


Introverted (I) 78.13% Extroverted (E) 21.88%
Sensing (S) 52.27% Intuitive (N) 47.73%
Thinking (T) 74.29% Feeling (F) 25.71%
Judging (J) 52.78% Perceiving (P) 47.22%

Your type is: ISTJ

I was just looking over the personality types, and some of them list 'dictator' or 'slacker' as prefered careers, lol.

[genebujold]

Jung's 4-way rating scale was far too simplistic. Time to chuck it in favor of something far better.

Design goals:

1. Measure as many different personality traits as their are personality traits. If there are 42, then it would measure 42.

2. Measure one's variability along each of those traits, over time.

3. Measure the intervariability (interdependancy) between those traits, both from a static (mean) point of view, as well as from a dynamic point of view.

4. Provide predictability, preferrably via a computer program, that would detail how one might interact with anyone else under any given circumstances who's also taken this test.

5. Provide healing/growth recommendations so that an individual, once measured, might begin to fill in the gaps in his/her personal matrix so as to come out a healthy, happy, well-adjusted individual.

I dunno - as a statistician, I hardly think this is too much to ask!

[Van Rijn]

INTP, pretty close on N/S, everything else is quite solid.

[breeze]

ENFJ

Actually pretty close to 50% on every category. Does that make me well balanced?:lol:

breeze

Edit: Apparently I am attracted to ENFP people specifically journalists because life is exciting.. I don't know why, but that's funny.

[Candy]

I took the Word Assocation Test.

I have issues with...
walls
mother
love
fame
nature

:lol:

[Gemini]

intj

[The Mangler]

I couldn't find the one for the 4 letter code, so I did the "What famous leader are you?" test for fun. It said I was Einstein, and that I am a detached intellectual whose ideas will either save or destrroy the world. lol

The classic movie test said I was Apoclypse Now. "You are a rouge wanderer on the winding river of life, searching after your shadow self."

[The Mangler]

ok, I found it.

INTP - "Architect"
I - 86.67%
N - 52.63%
T - 70.97%
P - 54.55%

3.3% of total population

[AstroSmurf]

Jung's 4-way rating scale was far too simplistic. Time to chuck it in favor of something far better.

Design goals:
[snip]
You don't ask for much, do you? As I said, Jung covers some of the aspects, but not all. And rather than being a balance, it seems to me that the aspects of a pair can vary independently. The dominant aspect determines personality, while the absolute strength of an aspect determines capacity in a specific area. The traits don't have the same "weight" either - some aspects change more readily than others.

I used to be more of an INTJ person before, but my E, P and especially F parts have increased over time.

Jung has the advantage of being simplistic enough that I can usually find the ballpark area within minutes (seconds, sometimes) of talking to a person. It's a way of putting into words what I can sense intuitively.

[mickal555]

I am curious about what kind of people hang around here. One way of classifying personalities is the 16 Jungian "archetypes", which I've found useful but somewhat incomplete. If any of you have "found" your own archetype, it'd be interesting to know what it is. I expect most people here to be INTJ or INTP types, but I'm prepared to be proven wrong. I myself am an odd bird in this place, since INFJ is what matches me best.

http://similarminds.com/personality_tests.html has various tests to determine the personality type.
http://www.typelogic.com has descriptions of the various personality types.

I found that the tests are a good pointer, but the descriptions are better to see if the results truly match.

What test am I supposed to take :S

[Van Rijn]

This is the one I took:

http://similarminds.com/jung.html

[mickal555]

Got it- it's this one-
http://similarminds.com/cgi-bin/prefmbj.pl

ideal you |||||| real you ||||||
Introversion |||||||||||| 50%
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Extroversion |||||||||||||||||| 80%
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56% Intuitive |||||||||||||||| 70%
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73% Sensing |||||||||||||||||| 73%
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66% Feeling |||||||||||||||| 70%
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56% Thinking |||||||||||||||| 66%
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56% Judging |||||||||||||||||| 76%
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40% Perceiving |||||||||||||||| 63%
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86%


ideal type - ESFJ:
outgoing, expressive, many friends, sequential, factual, practical, emotional, passionate, selfless, planned, regimented, orderly

real type - INFP


quiet(er... no), private, few friends, random, mysterious, non linear emotional, passionate, selfless, spontaneous, playful, fun.

hmmmm


The- http://www.typelogic.com/infp.html
Description doesn't describe me at all :S :S

I'm too much of an indivduel too slot into a catoragy :D

[Laminal Cockroach]

Right Brain |||||||||||| 50%
Left Brain |||||||||||||| 52%
Overall you appear to have fairly Equal Hemispheres
:)

[EvilBob]

Last time I did the Myers-Briggs test I was an INFP. Which probably makes me an oddity around here.

Edit: just did the test (http://similarminds.com/jung.html). Yep, still an INFP.

INFP - "Questor".
High capacity for caring.
Emotional face to the world.
High sense of honor derived from internal values.
4.4% of total population.

[Candy]

Jung Test Results


Introverted (I) 51.28% Extroverted (E) 48.72%
Intuitive (N) 57.5% Sensing (S) 42.5%
Thinking (T) 58.33% Feeling (F) 41.67%
Judging (J) 61.54% Perceiving (P) 38.46%


Your type is: INTJ

INTJ - "Mastermind". Introverted intellectual with a preference for finding certainty. A builder of systems and the applier of theoretical models. 2.1% of total population.

I feel naughty for some reason. :shifty:

[Swift]

On the Jung (53 question version):
Introverted (I) 53.85% Extroverted (E) 46.15%
Intuitive (N) 55% Sensing (S) 45%
Thinking (T) 56.25% Feeling (F) 43.75%
Judging (J) 65.63% Perceiving (P) 34.38%
INTJ - "Mastermind". Introverted intellectual with a preference for finding certainty. A builder of systems and the applier of theoretical models.
I would say that is pretty close.

[genebujold]

You don't ask for much, do you?

No, I really don't.

Freud's and Jung's world was far simpler than ours. Why're we shoehorning ourselves into modes of thought 100 years out of date?

With respect to psychology, Jung is the equivalent of Gregor with respect to genetics. Both explorers, and both very far out of their league with the advances made since then.

Einstein couldn't design a thermonuclear fission-fusion-fission device if his life depended on it.

I could.

I'm not saying I'm smarter than Einstein. Merely better educated.

Times change. Knowledge increases. It's time to move on.

[Candy]

I could.
I bet you could, too. :razz:

Now, take the test so we can control the world together with the other 2.1% of the population.

[The Mangler]

So, AstroSmurf, are we what you expected? :lol:

[genebujold]

I bet you could, too. :razz:

Now, take the test so we can control the world together with the other 2.1% of the population.

Ok, Candy.

I took the longer test (http://similarminds.com/embj.html). Here are my results:

Extroverted (E) 53.85% Introverted (I) 46.15%
Sensing (S) 57.58% Intuitive (N) 42.42%
Thinking (T) 56.25% Feeling (F) 43.75%
Judging (J) 66.67% Perceiving (P) 33.33%

Accuracy: 4 (high 4 3 2 1 low)

Your type is: ESTJ

ESTJ - "Administrator". Much in touch with the external environment. Very responsible. Pillar of strength. 8.7% of total population.

You control the world, while I scramble some omelets for breakfast, and listen to your exploits while we eat!

[The Mangler]

Did anyone else do the "world leader" test(under the 'other' tab)? Not really a real personality test, but it's fun.

[Candy]

Did anyone else do the "world leader" test(under the 'other' tab)? Not really a real personality test, but it's fun.
Oh my! Look what leader I am.

http://images.similarminds.com/leader/7.jpg

I'm ready for my breakfast, Gené. ;)

[The Mangler]

http://images.similarminds.com/leader/5.jpg

[kylenano]

I don't know much about the thinking behind this test. I've only come across it because it turns up on bulletin boards/forums (fora?) from time to time. And for some time I've been wondering - is it valid to put people into only 16 personality types? That's only four more than the signs of the zodiac!

As genebujold said, isn't it too simplistic?

[Candy]

I don't know much about the thinking behind this test. I've only come across it because it turns up on bulletin boards/forums (fora?) from time to time. And for some time I've been wondering - is it valid to put people into only 16 personality types? That's only four more than the signs of the zodiac!

As genebujold said, isn't it too simplistic?
Totally dumb thought. I saw somewhere on a forensic show, maybe, that there were only so many facial structures that a "person" could form into. I believe the facial forms were somewhere around 12 or less. For example, there were only 12 eye forms, there were only 12 nose forms, etc... Maybe, it's 16! Spooky!

If this is possible, then wouldn't it stand to reason, there are only so may personality "forms" or types?

Just wondering.

[The Mangler]

But how far would you be allowed to deviate from one type before you had to be re-classified?

[Candy]

But how far would you be allowed to deviate from one type before you had to be re-classified?
If you are talking to me, the show I watched was very scientific in nature. There were only so many eyes, nose, mouths that form a composite. There were only a dozen or so to pick from that everyone falls into. I know, it's weird and hard to accept. I swear I saw it.

[The Mangler]

But was it accurate? I mean did everyone fall into one of the 12 catagories, or were slight variations allowed?

[Taks]

ENTP... every time i take it, same results.

Extroverted (E) 90% Introverted (I) 10%
Intuitive (N) 90% Sensing (S) 10%
Thinking (T) 79.41% Feeling (F) 20.59%
Perceiving (P) 90% Judging (J) 10%

"Inventor". Enthusiastic interest in everything and always sensitive to possibilities. Non-conformist and innovative. 3.2% of the total population.

no surprises here, and everyone that's ever met me will probably agree. i am surprised, however, at the thinking feeling part... usually more like 90/10. i do everything in extremes.

taks

[Taks]

for some reason, the ad at the top of the page was an intro to autism CD. same for everyone?

taks

[Candy]

for some reason, the ad at the top of the page was an intro to autism CD. same for everyone?

taks
Mine says Telescopes. Perhaps, you're being targeted. LOL

[The Mangler]

yeah, same ad.

[Candy]

But was it accurate? I mean did everyone fall into one of the 12 catagories, or were slight variations allowed?
According to this program, yes everyone falls into a simple "look". It was like flash cards to display the nose, eyes, etc... Do we have anyone with forensic experience that can explain what I saw?

[Taks]

Mine says Telescopes. Perhaps, you're being targeted. LOLthe only extroverted autistic in the world... of course, my type (engineer) has an anecdotally higher rate of autism than the general population. maybe they're thinking my children will take after the rain man?

it is odd for engineers to appear as ENTPs, btw. i suppose that would explain why i'm moving into business development roles... :)

taks

[Candy]

the only extroverted autistic in the world... of course, my type (engineer) has an anecdotally higher rate of autism than the general population. maybe they're thinking my children will take after the rain man?

it is odd for engineers to appear as ENTPs, btw. i suppose that would explain why i'm moving into business development roles... :)

taks
I thought so. Damn, your kid is cute!

[Taks]

thanks... he thinks so, too. obnoxious little runt.

taks

[Yorkshireman]

INTP last time I took it, 6 years ago - same result now.

Introverted (I) 57.58% Extroverted (E) 42.42%
Intuitive (N) 58.82% Sensing (S) 41.18%
Thinking (T) 55.56% Feeling (F) 44.44%
Perceiving (P) 51.43% Judging (J) 48.57%

[AstroSmurf]

So, AstroSmurf, are we what you expected? :lol:
There was quite a wider spectrum than I expected. I suppose I was thinking most people here would be similar to my classmates at the university. Astronomy seems to offer something to a lot of people, though not necessarily the same thing...

[kylenano]

As most of the posters here seem to accept the Myers-Brigg test, I was trying to be tactful in questioning it. However, I'm not convinced that it - or many personality tests - have much more validity than astrology eg when each member of a group of people was given a piece of paper describing them supposedly according to their star sign. Most agreed it was accurate, but it turned out everyone in the group had been given the same description. (It's difficult to be objective describing yourself.)

I looked up the Skeptic's Dictionary entry on Myers-Briggs Type Indicator® (http://skepdic.com/myersb.html)

Jung’s evidence, from his clinical observations, is merely anecdotal. He talks about the extravert and the introvert as types. He also talks about the thinking type, the feeling type, the sensation type, and the intuition type. His evidence for his claims is not based on any controlled studies. He said he “probably would have done them” if he had had the means. But as it was, he says, “I had to content myself with the observation of facts”.
It's often said here (baut) that anecdotal evidence isn't good enough. And if it's being used by employers to decide who gets - or doesn't get - a job, it ought to be based on more rigorous studies than anecdotes.

[The Mangler]

It's often said here (baut) that anecdotal evidence isn't good enough. And if it's being used by employers to decide who gets - or doesn't get - a job, it ought to be based on more rigorous studies than anecdotes.

Are some companies giving applicants a personality test to qualify for a job?

[Eroica]

Jung Test Results - ISTJ

Introverted (I) 90% Extroverted (E) 10%
Sensing (S) 51.35% Intuitive (N) 48.65%
Thinking (T) 84.38% Feeling (F) 15.63%
Judging (J) 75% Perceiving (P) 25%

"Trustee". Decisiveness in practical affairs. Guardian of time- honored institutions. Dependable. 11.6% of total population.

[Eroica]

Did anyone else do the "world leader" test(under the 'other' tab)? Not really a real personality test, but it's fun. I'm Abe Lincoln!

You are a mild-mannered assassination victim.
I'm also the movie Easy Rider

You just want to maintain a calm, cool and comfortable environment.

[SG-1 Fan]

Extroverted (E) 58.82% Introverted (I) 41.18%
Intuitive (N) 57.58% Sensing (S) 42.42%
Thinking (T) 57.58% Feeling (F) 42.42%
Judging (J) 55.88% Perceiving (P) 44.12%

Your type is: ENTJ

ENTJ - "Field Marshall". The basic driving force and need is to lead. Tend to seek a position of responsibility and enjoys being an executive. 1.8% of total population.

[SG-1 Fan]

Brain Lateralization Test Results

Right Brain |||||||||||| 40.4%
Left Brain |||||||||||||| 59.6%

Left brain dominant individuals are more orderly, literal, articulate, and to the point. They are good at understanding directions and anything that is explicit and logical. They can have trouble comprehending emotions and abstract concepts, they can feel lost when things are not clear, doubting anything that is not stated and proven.



Right brain dominant individuals are more visual and intuitive. They are better at summarizing multiple points, picking up on what's not said, visualizing things, and making things up. They can lack attention to detail, directness, organization, and the ability to explain their ideas verbally, leaving them unable to communicate effectively.

Overall you appear to be Left Brain Dominant

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According to Darwinian theory, optimal evolution takes place with random variation and selective retention. The evolution savvy individual will try many different approaches when faced with a problem and select the best of those approaches. Many historical intellectuals have confessed their advantage was simply considering/exploring/trying more approaches than others. The left brain dominant type suffers from limited approaches, narrow-mindedness. The right brain dominant type suffers from too many approaches, scatterbrained. To maintain balanced hemispheres, you need to exercise both variability and selection. Just as a company will have more chance of finding a great candidate by increasing their applicant pool, an individual who considers a wider set of options is more likely to make quality decisions.

[AstroSmurf]

It's often said here (baut) that anecdotal evidence isn't good enough. And if it's being used by employers to decide who gets - or doesn't get - a job, it ought to be based on more rigorous studies than anecdotes.
Psychology does have the disadvantage of being a "fuzzier" area of study than the natural sciences. It's very hard to study a phenomenon when you rarely get the same answers twice from a test subject. I'm not up to spec on what the current state of the art is either - I haven't read anything on this subject, so it's possible people are taught different models these days.

I will say that the descriptions I've found of "my" type were something like 80-90% accurate, though, and none of the types come close. Then again - the model does have its limits. Some people have proven to be difficult to pigeonhole into a type, and not everything follows the predominant patterns, so I definitely don't think this ought to be a basis for employment.

[Swift]

Psychology does have the disadvantage of being a "fuzzier" area of study than the natural sciences. It's very hard to study a phenomenon when you rarely get the same answers twice from a test subject. I'm not up to spec on what the current state of the art is either - I haven't read anything on this subject, so it's possible people are taught different models these days.

I will say that the descriptions I've found of "my" type were something like 80-90% accurate, though, and none of the types come close. Then again - the model does have its limits. Some people have proven to be difficult to pigeonhole into a type, and not everything follows the predominant patterns, so I definitely don't think this ought to be a basis for employment.
There is also the question as to what one is going to do with the results of the Myers-Brigg test. I had some training in it as part of some training I was getting on meeting/team management, facilitation, and conflict resolution. The point of looking at it in this case was a little bit of self-assessment, but mostly so that we would understand some of the different drivers and motivations people may have for their actions and in how they interact with other people. But it was not intended that we would test someone on our team, decide that they were an XYZZ, and assign them to a particular task. Precision was not necessary. Maybe there exist uses where precision is important - I'd be curious to hear of them.

[Taks]

As most of the posters here seem to accept the Myers-Brigg test, I was trying to be tactful in questioning it.realistically, i don't think much of jung. i just happen to fall smack dab in the middle of one of his "types" in terms of outward appearance. internally, i'm probably a bit different than an ENTP.

the problem, i think, is that these tests rely on bifurcation. there are only two choices for every question, and people end up picking the one that's closest to what they think is their true self, even though the real answer is probably a shade of gray between the two (and often perceived by others as the opposite). e.g. my answers tend to imply i'm a little callous, favoring logic over all emotion. in my day to day operations with people i don't know, this may be true, but with my family and friends, it is not.

taks

[Ranillon]

I am curious about what kind of people hang around here. One way of classifying personalities is the 16 Jungian "archetypes",


Actually, those aren't particularly "Jungian" and they certainly are not what he meant by "Archetype".

He did come up with the basic idea for the Personality Types that Myers-Briggs further developed, but since that time the modern Type movement has fundamentally altered the concepts involved until in many ways they are the very opposite of Jung's views. As a result it would be inappropriate to stick "Jungian" on Types as many in the modern Type movement now define the term.

The Modern Type Movement has really just turned Jung's Typology into a way of categorizing people, a system that in turn has been unconsciously designed to make people feel better about themselves by suggesting they are just fine the way they are now. If they have any problems in their life then, well, it's from people not taking into consideration the needs of their Type and not because of any personality flaws.

This "people pleasing" aspect is entirely missing in Jung's original idea. Although I am of course simplifying things for the sake of brevity, Jung's approach wasn't just to tell people what they wanted to hear, but to make them better aware of the nature of their own personality. In turn, it would allow them to adapt and grow -- an important consideration when the patient may be suffering from a serious neurosis.

In other words, the modern MBTI approach is more about making the individual feel good about themselves while the Jungian approach is more about better understanding themselves.

Alan

[Toutatis]

I would have thought I was INTP but no matter how ya cut it I decidedly test ENFJ --- Oh Dear! Does this make me an ODD DUCK??? :lol:

Best
Dan Sarandon

[Laminal Cockroach]

that is supposed to be my movie (<div align="center"><br> <img src="http://images.similarminds.com/movie/5.jpg"><br><a href="http://similarminds.com/othertests.html">What Classic Movie Are You?</a><br><font size="1"><a href="http://similarminds.com">personality tests by similarminds.com</a></font></div>)
i need to watch it, anybody know what its about? apocalypse now

[Marlayna]

Advanced Global Personality Test Results

Extraversion |||| 20%
Stability || 10%
Orderliness |||||||||||| 46%
Accommodation |||| 16%
Interdependence |||||| 30%
Intellectual |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Mystical |||||| 23%
Artistic |||| 16%
Religious || 10%
Hedonism |||||| 23%
Materialism |||||| 30%
Narcissism |||||||||||||||||| 76%
Adventurousness |||||||||||| 43%
Work ethic |||||||||| 36%
Self absorbed |||||||||||||||||||| 83%
Conflict seeking |||||||||||||| 56%
Need to dominate |||||||||||| 43%
Romantic |||||| 23%
Avoidant |||||||||||||||||||| 83%
Anti-authority |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Wealth |||||| 23%
Dependency |||||||||||| 50%
Change averse |||||||||||||| 56%
Cautiousness |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Individuality |||||||||| 36%
Sexuality |||||||||| 36%
Peter pan complex |||||||||||||||||| 76%
Physical security |||||||||||||||||| 76%
Physical fitness |||||||||||||||| 64%
Histrionic |||||||||||| 43%
Paranoia |||||||||||||||| 70%
Vanity |||||||||||||||| 70%
Hypersensitivity |||||||||||||||||||| 83%
Female cliche |||||| 23%


Stability results were very low which suggests you are extremely worrying, insecure, emotional, and anxious.

Orderliness results were medium which suggests you are moderately organized, hard working, and reliable while still remaining flexible, efficient, and fun.

Extraversion results were low which suggests you are very reclusive, quiet, unassertive, and secretive.


trait snapshot:

introverted, irritable, feels invisible, observer, depressed, does not enjoy leadership, reveals little about self, dislikes large parties, feels undesirable, does not like to stand out, submissive, suspicious, emotionally sensitive, not a thrill seeker, solitude loving, likes silence, fragile, second guesses self, negative, unadventurous, fearful, weird, focuses on people's hidden motives, paranoid, phobic, dependent, cautious, avoidant, semi intellectual





In short, I'm a total nerd.

[Enzp]

I never studied this stuff, I tend to be a hardware guy.

When i took the Jung test, I first thought it was telling me I was a Thermal Angel Blood Warmer. I guess i was flattered. then I realized it was an ad.

I am apparently an ISTP engineer 5.4%

I 62.5%
S 56.76
T 76.67
P 61.76

I don't know what that all means.

Personality wise:
Stability 80%
Orderliness 26%
Extraversion 53%

Somehow it knew I was living in clutter and would sacrifice most anything to make a joke.