IE7 offers tabbed browsing

[Captain Kidd]

I don't think I've ben toseeked. :think:

The beta is out (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/tour/default.mspx) for testing. I was wondering when they’d get around to tabs.

Now do I want to try it out or not... the IE Tab extension for FF serves my IE needs decently.

[Wolverine]

Too little too late. I have no interest in trying it out.

[SolusLupus]

Too little too late. I have no interest in trying it out.

Neither do I.

[Metricyard]

Firefox has been very good to me so far. I see no reason to try IE7 at this point in time.

Now if IE7 had an option to make me coffee, I might concider it :)

[Kristophe]

Ditto. I'm quite settled into FireFox at the moment. IE would have to actually offer me something new and useful, or at the very least novel and interesting, before I'd swing back to it. Feel free to scoff, but I like to have bells and whistles (especially when they're modular). If they're just catching up to the status quo, they'll be hard pressed to win back a lot of the people who have abandoned the browser, especially me.

[GDwarf]

Microsoft woke up last year and realised that they only controlled 90% of the browser market, as opposed to 98%, and so decided to make IE better.

I'm sorry, I have no interest in a company that only improves their product because someone else fixed it's problems and is doing better. Many companies are like that, if it sells well then why improve it? But the software industry is usually not like that, if a product has problems they get patched, not ignored until someone else makes a better version.

It still won't support extensions ala Firefox.

It will still have many more security holes then FF.

I believe it will still support Active X, which is the reason for almost all of the above mentioned security holes.

Why, exactly, am I supposed to switch again?

[Lianachan]

I've never used Firefox. Because I've never had any problems with any IE versions I've used, I didn't feel a need to jump ship. Is there anything outstanding about Firefox that makes it particularly worth a look?

[Doodler]

I tried Firefox, wasn't overly impressed. I didn't particularly care for how it handled forum softwares. And to be quite honest, there's no true difference between using a browser that doesn't support active x and simply shutting it down completely.

If you don't want Active X scripts, don't download them, how difficult is this to manage?

[weatherc]

Firefox has been very good to me so far. I see no reason to try IE7 at this point in time.

Now if IE7 had an option to make me coffee, I might concider it :)Except even if IE7 did make coffee, since it would come from Microsoft, it would make just barely drinkable coffee that would make 25% of the people that drink it ill, but everyone would proclaim it to be "good enough" and "well, it's already installed" and drink it anyway.

[Demigrog]

If you don't want Active X scripts, don't download them, how difficult is this to manage?

In IE, quite difficult, as it barfs up messageboxes every time you go to a website.

I'm 95% Firefox now; there are a few websites (mostly Java heavy sites) that only work properly in IE still (probably developed using Microsoft tools), so I cannot avoid IE completely.

[Doodler]

In IE, quite difficult, as it barfs up messageboxes every time you go to a website.

I'm 95% Firefox now; there are a few websites (mostly Java heavy sites) that only work properly in IE still (probably developed using Microsoft tools), so I cannot avoid IE completely.

Yeah, I know, easily enough ignored.

[Wolverine]

Except even if IE7 did make coffee, since it would come from Microsoft, it would make just barely drinkable coffee that would make 25% of the people that drink it ill, but everyone would proclaim it to be "good enough" and "well, it's already installed" and drink it anyway.

But you'd still have to jump through 17 unnecessary hurdles to take a sip due to Coffee Rights Management™.

[GDwarf]

I've never used Firefox. Because I've never had any problems with any IE versions I've used, I didn't feel a need to jump ship. Is there anything outstanding about Firefox that makes it particularly worth a look?
Faster
Tabbed Browsing. (It is incredibly useful, try it and you become hooked.)
A far superior popup blocker to IE
the ability to block all ads on websites
the ability to search any search engine (Including Wikipedia, amazon.com, Dictionary.com...)
complies with HTML internation standards
Fewer security holes

That enough?

[Wolverine]

Don't forget the extensions (https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/). I couldn't imagine browsing without several of them.

[Kristophe]

I've never used Firefox. Because I've never had any problems with any IE versions I've used, I didn't feel a need to jump ship. Is there anything outstanding about Firefox that makes it particularly worth a look?

In a word? Extensions. There's a rather long list of extensions that have been produced for FireFox which let you customize it in ways you not only probably didn't think possible, but in ways you likely probably didn't even think of at all.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

IE would have to actually offer me something new and useful, or at the very least novel and interesting, before I'd swing back to it.
Apparently, if you're to believe the IE7 tour they take you through after installing the beta, tabs are a new and innovative concept brought to you by Microsoft. :eh:

IE7 still fails horribly at W3C standards compliance. Web designers had to use certain CSS "hacks" to get things to look right in IE6 and lower. Well, apparently Microsoft fixed the parsing bugs that these hacks took advantage of, but haven't yet fixed the reasons for needing those hacks, so a number of websites end up broken. :naughty:

[Carnifex]

And Firefox installation is less than 5 MB. From there, you can get everything you want using extensions. I bet even that coffee making extension will be available far earlier than it will be implemented in IE8, because Firefox is so much easier modifiable and yet it does not become foulty as IE sometimes gets from its updates.

And yes, I am 100% Firefox user. If a page can run only in IE, it only means it's programmer was [insert your favourite curseword here], and I don't lose anything by not using that page.

[pumpkinpie]

I have my Firefox set so that any time a site wants to set a cookie, it asks me. I usually deny. But if I'm doing something like logging on to a magazine site or amazon.com, and I inadvertantly hit "deny," how can I go back and change the settings so I am able to log in? Even if I go into my exceptions record and manually add in the website as "allow," usually I get the same message that cookies aren't enabled.

[Kelfazin]

I still like my Avant Browser. The built in popup stopper stops darn near everything, and I like the Mouse Gestures for navigation.

[Carnifex]

Kelfazin - that's good as well. Just as long that's not MSIE.

Pumpkinpie - I never used that (my firewall once was taking care of it, and after a while I just found out I don't need firewall at all), so I probably can't help you.

[GDwarf]

I still like my Avant Browser. The built in popup stopper stops darn near everything, and I like the Mouse Gestures for navigation.
Firefox has both :P

[Carnifex]

GDwarf - Firefox does not have that ;) Firefox has only tabbed browsing and pop-up blocker... And you can block images. That's it. It's extensions where the magic lies :)

[jkmccrann]

IE has had tabbed browsing for at least 6 months now, but I thought it was just an upgrade to IE6.

Still, on principle, I am sticking to Firefox because its been very easy to use long before IE was.

[paulie jay]

The revelation that I experienced when I converted to Firefox was that of a person who has lived in a cave all his life who was unaware of the possibilities that life offers until that fateful day when he finally stepped outside.

[LurchGS]

Extensions, yada yada yada - the real benefit to Firefox is the greatly improved security. I use FF almost exclusively, with the exception of Netscape Navigator 4.7 (long story, don't ask - but ONE site I have to use requires it)

tabbed browsing is effectively no different from having a couple dozen browser windows minimized into the task bar.

[cjl]

I tried firefox, and never really experienced any "revalations" or was greatly impressed. IE is more than adequate for what I need, although I still use firefox from time to time(and trust me - security is NOT an issue with all the security junk installed on my computer, ncluding several firewalls).

Mail is a different story. Thunderbird is VASTLY superior to OE, and I don't know how I got along without it.

[LurchGS]

my only issue with Thunderbird is that it has a tendency to freeze-on-send.. or, more accurately, freeze-on-move-to-sent-folder. The mail is copied to the sent folder, but for some reason, the application doesn't realize it and just hangs there. Shutting down the app and restarting it fixes things. for a while.

(I should note, this happens on windows AND mac machines)

And it's a trifle slow - but it's better than most of what else is out there, in spite of that.