Hi from Bohemia

[Belegaer]

Hello and allow me to introduce myself,

I live in the Czech Republic and I've been following this site as a "lurker" for some time. I've joined this forum as I've cumulated a lot of questions concerning various topics in Astronomy which I'm unable to find answers for (and thus I'm planning to flood a Question forum here in the near future :lol: ).

And please pardon my rather weak English as I'm not a native speaker and haven't got any other opportunities to speak/write English.

[mickal555]

Welcome to baut :D :D!

Your english is fine :D

[farmerjumperdon]

Welcome. Understood the post, would not have guessed English as a second language.

Your English is plenty good.

(That's a joke).

[Argos]

Hi and welcome aboard. Bohemia...Great landscapes [Prague is my kind of town], beer and Crystals. My uncle used to have a Skoda. Do they still exist? :)

[jkmccrann]

Welcome to the forum Belegaer! This is a great place to discuss many things.

I have to ask you, given you state that you're from Bohemia, I have been having an argument concerning Olympic Medals Tallies with certain `friends' of mine, and would like to ask you what your opinion is concerning the medals won by Bohemia at the early Olympic Games.

Should they be included with those won by the Czech Republic, or should they be counted separately on an All-Time Medals Tally?

If you have a view, visit this page and speak your mind. :)

All-Time Olympic Medal Tally (Summer & Winter) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Olympics_medal_count)

Czech Republic currently ranks 43rd,
Bohemia currently ranks 108th.

What do you think?

[Belegaer]

Thanks for the warm greeting from all :)


Hi and welcome aboard. Bohemia...Great landscapes [Prague is my kind of town], beer and Crystals. My uncle used to have a Skoda. Do they still exist? :)

Yes Skodas were very good cars before World War II but during communistic era they degenerated to a crap car. English have a lot of jokes about them as they were exported to the UK during seventies and eighties. Now Skoda car co. is owned by Volkswagen and is one of the flagships of our industry. Skoda even produces its own limousines today.

[Belegaer]

Hi jkmccrann,

Welcome to the forum Belegaer! This is a great place to discuss many things.

I have to ask you, given you state that you're from Bohemia, I have been having an argument concerning Olympic Medals Tallies with certain `friends' of mine, and would like to ask you what your opinion is concerning the medals won by Bohemia at the early Olympic Games.

Should they be included with those won by the Czech Republic, or should they be counted separately on an All-Time Medals Tally?

If you have a view, visit this page and speak your mind. :)

All-Time Olympic Medal Tally (Summer & Winter) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Olympics_medal_count)

Czech Republic currently ranks 43rd,
Bohemia currently ranks 108th.

What do you think?

Huh, now I'm a bit confused. Czech Republic and Bohemia (inofficial name for my country) is one state. So the medails should be counted together.

But maybe you are refering to the fact that Czech Republic was a part of former Czechoslovakia till 1992. That year Czechoslovakia peacefully splitted into two states: Czech Republic and Slovak republic. So it could be matter of dispute how to "distribute" Czechoslovak medails between two succession states.

That Wikipedia article seems to be bugged. As I've said Czech republic and Bohemia is one country: Czech Republic is its official name whilst Bohemia the inofficial one.

Edit: Just now I've noticed that there is Polish flag posted with the name "Bohemia" - so it is definitely a bug.

[Disinfo Agent]

Dobrý den!

[NEOWatcher]

That Wikipedia article seems to be bugged. As I've said Czech republic and Bohemia is one country: Czech Republic is its official name whilst Bohemia the inofficial one.

Edit: Just now I've noticed that there is Polish flag posted with the name "Bohemia" - so it is definitely a bug.
I would think that the Wiki article displays the list as the country when they competed. That's why Czech Republic, Slovakia and Czechoslovakia all have seperate entries. Why they have Bohemia does seem like an error.
And don't leave out the Moravians. :)

BTW: My mother was born in a small village that was dismantled in 1970 to make a reservoir for Prague, and my dad was from somewhere near Plzen. (they met in Cleveland, Ohio)
Welcome...

[jkmccrann]

Hi jkmccrann,
Huh, now I'm a bit confused. Czech Republic and Bohemia (inofficial name for my country) is one state. So the medails should be counted together.

But maybe you are refering to the fact that Czech Republic was a part of former Czechoslovakia till 1992. That year Czechoslovakia peacefully splitted into two states: Czech Republic and Slovak republic. So it could be matter of dispute how to "distribute" Czechoslovak medails between two succession states.

That Wikipedia article seems to be bugged. As I've said Czech republic and Bohemia is one country: Czech Republic is its official name whilst Bohemia the inofficial one.

Edit: Just now I've noticed that there is Polish flag posted with the name "Bohemia" - so it is definitely a bug.

Maybe I should have been a little bit clearer. Czechoslovakia was a new country, established after the treaty of Versailles in 1919. Before World War I, Bohemia, Moravia (and don't forget Silesia), were separate entities.

Bohemia competed as a nation at the early Olympics, 1896, 1900 and maybe a few more, and ended up winning some medals, as Bohemia (Well before Czechoslovakia ever existed, and well before the modern day Czech Republic obviously).

Obviously one can't give medals won by Czechoslovakia to the Czech Republic, because a lot of those medals would have been won by people from modern-day Slovakia, but what do you think about the medals won by Bohemia?

The people at Wiki are insistent that they can not be given to the Czech Republic, even though its obvious Bohemia is a part of the Czech Republic! Do you agree with that viewpoint? If so, make sure you register your views at the Wikipedia on the matter.

Here's a map of Bohemia/Moravia/Silesia - pre World War I.

Bohemia/Moravia/Silesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:B%C3%B6hmen_M%C3%A4hren_%C3%96sterreich_Schl esien.jpg)

What do you think?

[jkmccrann]

As for the flag, I don't know why the Bohemian flag is the same as the Polish one, I really have no idea what the flag of Bohemia was 110 years ago - maybe they're correct or maybe they're not - you'll have to help me on that one.

[Belegaer]

Maybe I should have been a little bit clearer. Czechoslovakia was a new country, established after the treaty of Versailles in 1919. Before World War I, Bohemia, Moravia (and don't forget Silesia), were separate entities.

Bohemia competed as a nation at the early Olympics, 1896, 1900 and maybe a few more, and ended up winning some medals, as Bohemia (Well before Czechoslovakia ever existed, and well before the modern day Czech Republic obviously).

Obviously one can't give medals won by Czechoslovakia to the Czech Republic, because a lot of those medals would have been won by people from modern-day Slovakia, but what do you think about the medals won by Bohemia?

The people at Wiki are insistent that they can not be given to the Czech Republic, even though its obvious Bohemia is a part of the Czech Republic! Do you agree with that viewpoint? If so, make sure you register your views at the Wikipedia on the matter.

Here's a map of Bohemia/Moravia/Silesia - pre World War I.

Bohemia/Moravia/Silesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:B%C3%B6hmen_M%C3%A4hren_%C3%96sterreich_Schl esien.jpg)

What do you think?

Thanks for the clarification. The flag is correct now because at that time neither Czech Republic nor Poland were independent entities and red-white flag was flag of slavic nations in general.

Maybe the best solution would be to have Austro-Hungarian monarchy as the independent entity in that list and in such case all Bohemians medail would belong to the old monarchy.

[Belegaer]

Dobrý den!
Zdravicko :)

I would think that the Wiki article displays the list as the country when they competed. That's why Czech Republic, Slovakia and Czechoslovakia all have seperate entries. Why they have Bohemia does seem like an error.
And don't leave out the Moravians.

BTW: My mother was born in a small village that was dismantled in 1970 to make a reservoir for Prague, and my dad was from somewhere near Plzen. (they met in Cleveland, Ohio)
Welcome...

Hi NEOWatcher,
our world is small. :razz:

[NEOWatcher]

Obviously one can't give medals won by Czechoslovakia to the Czech Republic, because a lot of those medals would have been won by people from modern-day Slovakia, but what do you think about the medals won by Bohemia?

Keep them seperate, and let people combine them as they wish IMO.
The people at Wiki are insistent that they can not be given to the Czech Republic, even though its obvious Bohemia is a part of the Czech Republic! Do you agree with that viewpoint? If so, make sure you register your views at the Wikipedia on the matter.
I didn't see where that was on wiki. But, if you cant convert from one country to the modern day in one case (ie. Czechoslovakia to CZ and Slovakia) then why allow it in the other?

Besides, the Wiki article is starting to look a little strange. There's lots of occurances of USA with other countries. Is that due to multinational teams?

Zdravicko :)
Hi NEOWatcher,
our world is small. :razz:
It sure is. I would leave some Czech wisdom, but I was raised all english and only know a few words (mostly food http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/nahrung/g010.gif ).

[jkmccrann]

Keep them seperate, and let people combine them as they wish IMO.

I didn't see where that was on wiki. But, if you cant convert from one country to the modern day in one case (ie. Czechoslovakia to CZ and Slovakia) then why allow it in the other?

Besides, the Wiki article is starting to look a little strange. There's lots of occurances of USA with other countries. Is that due to multinational teams?


Believe me, there are pages and pages and thousands and thousands of words devoted to the subject of combining and not combining medal stats. Mainly for USSR/CIS/Russia, and Germany(Empire)/Germany(Third Reich)/Germany(Unified Team)/East Germany/West Germany/Post Unification Germany.

The arguments just go on and on and round in circles.

Why should German medals pre WWII be combined with German medals post Cold War? But they are. Wouldn't it be more logical to combine West German Medals with post Unification Medals? Because it was the government of West Germany, The Federal Republic of Germany all through this period - it was just colloquially referred to as West Germany. Go on and on and on. The IOC has no official position on all of this, which is why there's so much argument.

Relating to the USA & having won medals with other nations, that goes back to the early Olympics of 1896/1900/1904 etc., when people playing doubles tennis for instance might be from 2 different countries, but they were allowed to compete together at the Olympics, or on a Rowing team perhaps, the teams as such weren't set in stone. You guessed it - that's another area of contention to argue about, how should those medals be recorded?

Anyhow, hope that all makes sense.