Noah's Ark Meets New Mexico

[Fr. Wayne]

A lot of my old field notes all put together for $$ by someone else. Cool ideas though scientifically flawed: http://www.noahsark-naxuan.com/Research.cfm

[tlbs101]

Is that hidden mountain site open to the public, or is it closed off?

Where, exactly, is it (other than 30 miles South of Albuquerque)? I am interested in hiking up to see it for myself.

[Fr. Wayne]

As best I know from previous explorations there myself, Los Lunas, New Mexico. When I went there oh, ten years ago, I explored the east side of river. Mysterious hill there but a red herring. So I believe it is on the west hills.

[Sam5]

Is that hidden mountain site open to the public, or is it closed off?

Where, exactly, is it (other than 30 miles South of Albuquerque)? I am interested in hiking up to see it for myself.

Several years ago I met a guy who has been there. The inscription rock with the "Hebrew" writing is fairly well known among hikers in the Albq. area. I've never been there myself.

I'm looking for a detailed map of the area. I'll post it if I find it. You might go to a hiker's shop, a sporting/hiking store, and ask about it and pick up a topo map of the area.

Sam

[Sam5]

Some people in various departments at UNM probably know about the place. Geology, Indian studies, Hebrew language, etc.

[Sam5]

Map detail:

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=r8a7ow

This is about 14 miles from I-25, West of Los Lunas, on state highway 6. The dark shaded area is the Laguna Indian Reservation.

The Rio Puerco is a large dry river. The highway and the railroad cross it.

I don’t know exactly where the rocks or petroglyphs are located. Apparently the “Hidden Mountain” is just Southeast of the words “Hidden Mtn.” on the map, and it looks like it has a USGS benchmark on it at the altitude of 5498 feet. On my map, the mountain looks to be about a mile or a little more South of highway 6.

[Vaelroth]

The "ark impressions" in Turkey seem much more logical as Noah's people could have spread south from there into more farmable lands until they were captured by the Egyptians (who had moved north into the Middle Eastern Peninsula).

Civilizations don't spread across continents in the space of a few hundered years when population density is so low, so I'm going to have to stamp a big "Woo^2" onto this.

[Sam5]

The "ark impressions" in Turkey seem much more logical as Noah's people could have spread south from there into more farmable lands until they were captured by the Egyptians (who had moved north into the Middle Eastern Peninsula).

Civilizations don't spread across continents in the space of a few hundered years when population density is so low, so I'm going to have to stamp a big "Woo^2" onto this.

I’ve never heard of any “Noah’s Ark” story associated with the New Mexico site. It is the location of some rocks with ancient Hebrew inscriptions and the remains of some old rock buildings. No “Ark”. This site is well known among researchers who think there were pre-Columbian visits to the Western Hemisphere from Asia, Europe, Africa, and the Middle-East.

http://www.tonyhillermanbooks.com/books/best_of_west.html

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/loslunas.html

http://www.nmstatelands.org/GetPage.aspx?sectionID=39&PagID=186

[Vaelroth]

Wow, now that I come back and re-read the thread I find that I looked at the information completely skewed. Ah well, thanks for the articles Sam5, they're keeping my interest for now.

[Sam5]

Wow, now that I come back and re-read the thread I find that I looked at the information completely skewed. Ah well, thanks for the articles Sam5, they're keeping my interest for now.


Hi, apparently the original link was to a website titled “Noah’s Ark”, but the individual article is not about the Ark.

Down at the bottom of the first link’s page, click on the article “Hidden Mountain Citadel”.

That links to this pdf file:

http://www.noahsark-naxuan.com/PR/Hidden%20Mountain,%20LR%20.pdf

And that file has some good pictures.

See the photos at the bottom of the pdf file of the old rocks stacked up on top of the small mountain? That is similar to the Anasasi Indian construction style of 1,000 to 1,200 years ago. These types of structures are common out here in New Mexico and over in Arizona, and up in Utah and Southern Colorado. There are hundreds of them out here. They are generally attributed to the Pueblo Indians of about 1,000 to 1,200 years ago.

The odd thing about the old Indian buildings is that all the archaeology books say that they did not evolve from earlier cruder buildings. They seem to have been invented, and hundreds of them constructed, all in one or two generations.

There is a theory that some Mayans might have come up here and designed the buildings or maybe taught the local Indians how to construct them. Maybe the Mayans were fleeing wars down in Mexico. I don’t know. But New Mexico turquoise has been found at Chichen Itza in Mexico, and remains of Macaw feathers have been found at Chaco Canyon in New Mexico, indicating trade with the Mayans a long time ago.

These Pueblo Indians suddenly went from building crude pit houses (for a thousand years or so) to building very nice and well-made stone structures, about 1,200 years ago. That culture lasted about 200 years until there was a long drought, then they all abandoned their cities and moved into other areas where there were rivers, mainly around the Rio Grande valley around Santa Fe and Albuquerque. They made a few stone structures there, but when the Spanish came over in the early 1600s, they started using adobe bricks (dirt/mud bricks) rather than stone blocks.

About 35 miles Northwest of the Hidden Mountain hilltop village remains, is the village of Acoma, which is about 1,100 to 1,200 years old, and it is also built on top of a mesa just like the remains of the Hidden Mountain village. I’ve been to Acoma but not to Hidden Mountain. The Indians still live at Acoma. It’s one of the oldest towns in the US. The other oldest towns are the First and Second Mesa villages of the Hopi tribe over in Arizona.

Well, when some archaeologists were exploring the Hidden Mountain village remains, back in the 1930s, someone discovered the “Hebrew” rock, and that started a lot of speculation about the rock and the abandoned village.

Some people say the site is only about 1,200 years old and others have suggested the “Hebrew” rock is only a few hundred years old. There were a lot of Hebrews traveling with the early Spanish explorers. In fact, some of the Hebrews were Spanish and some Spanish were Hebrews. Sephardics from old Spain.

I don’t know how old the “Hebrew” rock is, and there have been some debates about its age. But it has been there a long time, and some people think it goes back to BC times. I don’t know if it is from the Spanish era, the early Pueblo era, or the BC era.

Note the white markings on the rock. This is modern chalk. This is what photographers use to make the drawings white for their photographs.

If a rock is very old, it will have a dark brown patina on it from centuries in the sunlight. If the rock drawings are very old too, like maybe 2,000 years, they will be almost the same dark color as the dark rock.

If they are a thousand years old, the drawings will be slightly lighter in color than the rock. If they are a few hundred years old, they will be lighter.

If you break off a piece of the rock, that will show the inside color, which is usually a lot lighter than the dark outer patina. So, good archaeologists can break off some of the rock, take a look at the inside color, then judge how old the drawings are by how light or dark they are. Dark drawings are very old and light drawings are younger.

But it seems that so many people have put chalk on the “Hebrew” rock over the years, and so many other people have tried to scrub the chalk off, it’s difficult to tell what the true color of the drawings are, and that’s one reason why there is a debate about the age of the drawings.

So, you have to be careful about what you read about these things. Someone who wants to claim the dwellings on top of the mesa are 2,000 years old, might overlook the fact that they look similar to Anasasi dwellings of 1,000 years ago and that are common out here in the West. On the other hand, an archaeologist who doesn’t believe in pre-Columbian visitations from Europe or the Middle East, will try to claim the “Hebrew” rock is only a couple of hundred years old, or maybe created by the early Mormon settlers 150 years ago.

I like mysteries like this. They are fun to read about and to visit.

[Fr. Wayne]

Whether Hebrew or Spanish or Indian this rock story has LEGS! The Noah's Ark guy also seens links with Cherokee Rock in Tennnessee so there's a whole vast array of evidences which can make or break this Rock. Since the rock contains a possible reference to a local eclipse 105 B.C. there seems to be a chance that a period of trade (copper from Lake Superior?) may have linked the Mayans to the Egyptians, while the Rock may represent a dispersion of Hebrew descendants from the Romans? Wild stuff, I love it!

[Big Brother Dunk]

And now it seems that there may be a satellite image of the Ark on Mt. Ararat

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1727536&gma=true

[NEOWatcher]

And now it seems that there may be a satellite image of the Ark on Mt. Ararat

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1727536&gma=true

Gee; ABC seems to be on the ball, that news broke last week, and Baut a few days after that (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=39260)