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parallaxicality
20-July-2006, 07:05 PM
that I can't really debate here. It concerns religion you see, but I thought, since it also involves the secular study of religion, someone here could point me to the right place to find the information I'm looking for.
My question concerns the origins of Islam. I'm looking for a secular study of Islam's origins, and its relationships to Judaism and Christianity; specifically whether it emerged out of Judaism, Christianity or both. My problem is that the only sites I can find that deal with this topic are Muslim sites which begin with Muhammad and his revelation by the angel Gabriel, or Christian sites seeking to undermine and defame Islam. Has any secular study of the origins of Islam been done?
Graybeard6
20-July-2006, 07:24 PM
I'd start with Karen Armstrong, especially her first three books, "A History of God" (Ballantine, 1993), "Jerusalem: One City, Three Faiths" (Knopf, 1996) and "The Battle for God" (Knopf, 2000).I consider her one of the best writers on religion in the English language.
I hope this helps.
Sam5
20-July-2006, 07:33 PM
Edit: Oopps. Disregard my post.
Sam
Gillianren
20-July-2006, 07:33 PM
Let me second that, then sound like an old lady for a minute.
This is what the library is for. You local library will have people whose whole job is to help answer questions just like this. In a lot of ways, they're far more helpful than the internet, because in general, they have a degree in "finding obscure information." Library Sciences are your friend. Why doesn't anyone remember that anymore?
Edit: I'm seconding what Graybeard said; Sam posted while I was posting. It's actually my understanding that most of Islam's early converts were from various Pagan religions.
mugaliens
20-July-2006, 07:37 PM
Lengthy, but extremely well-informed secular look: http://www.bibleorigins.net/index.html
mugaliens
20-July-2006, 07:43 PM
Folks, we really can't discuss the details, pros, cons, etc. here, nor should we, as it violates board rules and can lead to contentions. Parallaxicality asked for a resource. I posted a link. If you have one, too, please post it and let's not discuss the matter further. Thank you.
SeanF
20-July-2006, 09:39 PM
I'd start with Karen Armstrong, especially her first three books, "A History of God" (Ballantine, 1993), "Jerusalem: One City, Three Faiths" (Knopf, 1996) and "The Battle for God" (Knopf, 2000).I consider her one of the best writers on religion in the English language.
I hope this helps.
For some reason, this post makes me think of Oolon Colluphid...
Gillianren
20-July-2006, 10:08 PM
Folks, we really can't discuss the details, pros, cons, etc. here, nor should we, as it violates board rules and can lead to contentions. Parallaxicality asked for a resource. I posted a link. If you have one, too, please post it and let's not discuss the matter further. Thank you.
I think--and I could be wrong, here--that if it's all kept in a historical perspective, it ought to be no different than the discussions of Watergate we've had. Yes, in theory, Watergate is a political issue, but we were not discussing it as such. We kept it as history. We've in fact had various discussions of finer points of various religions as they apply to other things, and that generally worked unless someone actively tried to take offense. (Intelligent design is just one example.)
Then again, I get very vexed when the study of history becomes polarized beyond reasonable discourse.
Frog march
20-July-2006, 10:31 PM
One of the first(if not the first) monotheistic religions was Zoroastrianism which had a lot of influence on Christianity and Islam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism
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