Supersupersymmetry

[hhEb09'1]

Some of you may remember my idea about supersupersymmetry (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?p=6314#post6314). I've been working on it, but a couple days ago I found an intriguing advertisement in the October 2006 Discover magazine (p.87):THREE DIMENSIONS OF TIME: General relativity with three dimensions of time (GR3DT) produces the elementary particles. It explains ten standard model parameters. Quark confinement is extremely simple. GR3DT predicts no higgs and no sparticles. It predicts vectors with masses 4.56, 7.32, 27.36, 29.43, 31.22, 33.04 adn 38.79 TeV. The LHC will find nothing. HTTP://ARXIV.ORG/ABS/HEP-TH/0110296 or email GILLIAN@ALUMNI.FDU.EDUI've already corresponded via email with Mr. Gillan (his email address is mispelled in the ad).

The article at that link (http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0110296) is 48 pages, so I haven't waded through all of it yet, to evaluate the claims (especially against Nereid's touchstone (http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2006-3/index.html) of Clifford Will) which are quite ambitious. The abstract elaborates:The Standard Model plus gravitation is derived from a Kaluza-Klein theory of pure gravitation in six dimensions with two higher dimensions of time. 3DT is different than other Kaluza-Klein theories because it allows dependence upon the higher-dimensional coordinates. It shows how predictions at the Planck mass can be tested at low energies. 3DT explains the origins of the elementary particles, Maxwell's equations, the Dirac equation, the weak interactions and the strong interactions. Quark confinement and aymptotic freedom are produced. 3DT provides an explanation for the mass of the electron, the value 1/137 of the fine structure constant, the masses of the muon and tau, the masses of the electron's, muon's and tau's neutrinos, the masses of the W, Z and the photon. The calculation of these parameters is made possible by a better way of doing quantum field theory. 3DT is anomaly-free. The relationship between quantum mechanics and general relativity is demonstrated. 3DT predicts that there is no Higgs particle and no supersymmetric particles. Instead, it predicts that there are seven new, superweak vectors with masses of 4.56 TeV, 7.32 TeV, 27.36 TeV, 29.43 TeV, 31.22 TeV, 33.04 TeV and 38.79 TeV.Since Mr. Gillan has done so much, I've decided to forego trying to discuss this in a non-'real' (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?p=818267#post818267) thread, and just jump into the middle of the math madness.

PS: The board software provides the links for the addresses within the ad gratis.

[antoniseb]

This is a non-trivial read. I look forward to the day in the years ahead when we can detect the lightest one or two of his weak vectors.

[antoniseb]

we find that the mass of the electron neutrino is ... 6.16 × 10−7 eV

This is a plausible value.

[antoniseb]

OK, I just finished reading this paper. Pretty interesting. Let's keep an eye open for related papers and criticisms.

[hhEb09'1]

This is a non-trivial read. I look forward to the day in the years ahead when we can detect the lightest one or two of his weak vectors.From this wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson): "Many models of Supersymmetry predict that the lightest Higgs boson (of several) will have a mass only slightly above the current experimental limits, at around 120 GeV or less." So, his 4.56 TeV is 40 times that. It comments also: "However, most theorists expect new physics beyond the Standard Model to emerge at the TeV-scale, based on some unsatisfactory properties of the Standard Model," so he's not alone on this.

[Cougar]

3DT explains the origins of the elementary particles, Maxwell's equations, the Dirac equation, the weak interactions and the strong interactions. Quark confinement and aymptotic freedom are produced, etc. etc.
I'm always seriously skeptical when someone's new theory solves ALL the problems confronting today's physicists. Especially someone who has essentially no presence on the web and apparently no academic association.

....derived from a Kaluza-Klein theory of pure gravitation in six dimensions....
Sounds like a takeoff from Michio Kaku's Hyperspace.

[hhEb09'1]

I'm always seriously skeptical when someone's new theory solves ALL the problems confronting today's physicists.I'm always seriously skeptical. :)

But in this case, they make some claims that can be checked and verified, and if they are correct then the logic in how they were derived can be checked. Somewhere, it will break down, and we can point that out.

Otherwise, how can we dismiss it?

[Cougar]

....explains the origins of the elementary particles, Maxwell's equations, the Dirac equation, the weak interactions and the strong interactions. Quark confinement and aymptotic freedom are produced.... provides an explanation for the mass of the electron, the value 1/137 of the fine structure constant, the masses of the muon and tau, the masses of the electron's, muon's and tau's neutrinos, the masses of the W, Z and the photon.
Come to think of it, doesn't simple, run-of-the-mill Supersymmetry (SUSY) do all this? It is also likely to solve the dark matter problem by finding the least (massive) supersymmetric partner, LSP. As I understand it, experiments to make or break SUSY are expected in the next year or two or three.

Plus, you just can't beat that acronym.

[hhEb09'1]

Come to think of it, doesn't simple, run-of-the-mill Supersymmetry (SUSY) do all this? It makes different predictions than supersymmetry. Check out the last paragraph of the paper:The predictions 3DT makes are clear cut. The theory of 3DT predicts no Higgs particle and no supersymmetric particles. Instead, it predicts new superweak vectors. The least massive of these is Aµ2±2 with a mass of 4.56 TeV. This is too massive for the Large Hadron Collider or the proposed International Linear Collider to detect. Therefore, these machines will detect no Higgs particle, no supersymmetric particles, and no new vectors.

[Cougar]

Therefore, these machines will detect no.... supersymmetric particles.... Well, we'll see about that before too long.

What physical sense does three dimensions of time make, anyway? If I'm traveling in one direction and then turn left, I don't have to change watches to keep track of the time. :)

[hhEb09'1]

What physical sense does three dimensions of time make, anyway? If I'm traveling in one direction and then turn left, I don't have to change watches to keep track of the time. :)And why should you think you would? :)

Your height doesn't change just because you turn left either. That they are to a certain extent independent is what makes them dimensions. Of course, special relativity pointed out the extent to which the dimensions of space and that of time are dependent.

One of the advantages of higher dimensional time is time travel--if time were one dimensional, how do you avoid the "meeting yourself" problem. It's like a train track with two trains. Adding a dimension gives you some freedom to move around.

Gillan in his paper assumes that the two extra time dimensions are folded up (on the order of the Planck length) similar to the way they are in other higher dimensional theories, and they have similar "physical sense", but I'm not convinced that that is absolutely necessary.

[hhEb09'1]

This paper needs much more time to digest--it's at a higher level than the usual ATM papers. And it needs more readers :)