BSG-Season 3!!!!!

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

starts tonight in the US (SciFi) and tomorrow night in Canada (Space). Woo hoo and yippee!!!!

[SMEaton]

What a time for me to be cable-less. Oh well, I hope to have it in a few weeks!

[Matherly]

For those who don't know, there are 10 3 minute or so clips on the SciFi channel website. They show what happening with the human resistance on New Caprica between Seasons 2 and 3.

Not a spoiler, since it should be abundantly obvious by now, but Tigh shouldn't be allowed to lead a Boy Scout Troop, much less a resistance movement.

[jt-3d]

And I don't have it set up to tape and I'm at work. rats

[Parrothead]

Dr Who season 2 goes tonight on sci-fi in the US as well. CBC on Monday in Canada.

[Matherly]

Actually, the Doctor returned last week with "Christmas Invasion" and "New Earth".

[jrkeller]

After that poor ending to season 2, I thought tonights 2-hr episode was pretty good.

[davidlpf]

Also tonight in canada bill shatners roast is on the comedy network.

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

Spoiler

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fat Apollo....tee, hee....shouldn't laugh (I'm that way myself)....it well....just looked so fake as to be laughable (did they get a stunt belly?)

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

alos....was that an homage to "Seinfeld"....(a specific set of lines)

[publius]

Well, it's certainly a matter of opinion, but I liked the ending to season 2. Made me mad as all get out, but I liked it. Again, a matter of taste, but after this opener, I'm about ready to say BSG is the best sci-fi series ever.

Now, if you haven't seen it and don't want to be spoiled, read no further!

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What Leoben is doing to Starbuck is well, disturbing. She apparently kills him and kills him, but he keeps coming back, with his "love". Did he break her with the child? I was half expecting her to kill the child as well, maybe kill him by beating him with the kid's body. Our Starbuck is going to be on messed up character after that physcological nightmare.

-Richard

[davidlpf]

last nights episode was good alot things similar to some where on earth now.

[tofu]

I just realized that nearly every show on TV makes appearances of being part of a larger story arch. What I mean by that is that we seem to be getting away from the Star Trek paradigm where every show ended exactly as it had started. I think the Star Trek thing was originally based on Wagon Train. Anyway, modern shows like BSG are always different at the end than at the beginning.

When did this get started? The first show that I can think of that did this was 24. Was that the first?

[davidlpf]

I just realized that nearly every show on TV makes appearances of being part of a larger story arch. What I mean by that is that we seem to be getting away from the Star Trek paradigm where every show ended exactly as it had started. I think the Star Trek thing was originally based on Wagon Train. Anyway, modern shows like BSG are always different at the end than at the beginning.

When did this get started? The first show that I can think of that did this was 24. Was that the first?
The first show that whole seires was an arc as babylon 5 at least in science fiction.

[01101001]

When did this get started? The first show that I can think of that did this was 24.

At least as early as soap operas.

[ToSeek]

I just realized that nearly every show on TV makes appearances of being part of a larger story arch. What I mean by that is that we seem to be getting away from the Star Trek paradigm where every show ended exactly as it had started. I think the Star Trek thing was originally based on Wagon Train. Anyway, modern shows like BSG are always different at the end than at the beginning.

When did this get started? The first show that I can think of that did this was 24. Was that the first?

Hill Street Blues is generally given credit for being the first primetime American show to have story arcs. (Story arcs in British television go back at least to the premiere of Doctor Who and probably beyond.)

[davidlpf]

The main arc from the orginal Doctor Who is his name which i all forget about, and I try to forget about soap operas in general.

[davidlpf]

babylon 5 was one long arc in each episode they had that built on the story, even a little bit.

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

the scenes where Ty was being held in detention were an absolute masterpiece of camera work/lighting, etc...visually grim and stunning

[Jim]

A very solid double episode (probably to be rebroadcast as two separate) with a disturbing end to it. However, the previews for next week's episode gave away at least some of the outcome.

And an interesting insight into the Cylon community. I especially liked the somewhat casual remark that (spoiler) the human-appearing Cylons left the machine Cylons without self-awareness, so they wouldn't rebel against their masters. A very human paranoia.

[tofu]

the scenes where Ty was being held in detention were an absolute masterpiece of camera work/lighting, etc...visually grim and stunning

the buzz of the lights was a nice effect too. I doubt the microphones picked that up. They added it in - good thinking. It was very dehumanizing. But there's only so far they can go in that direction and stay believable. The cylons can't be too "unhuman" because they so obviously want to be humans, what with the god and love fixation. It's actually something of a tired cliche in science fiction. If there's a robot, you know it's going to look and act human and have sex. *yawn*

I wonder if BSG might actually be better if the cylons really and truly didn't care about humans, but just calculated that their own chance of survival was increased by making humans extinct. We just came out on the wrong side of a calculation and that was it. No hate. No joy. No chance at all of reasoning with them.

The scariest machine intelligence from any scifi book that I can think of right now were the bezerkers - they followed the pattern I described above. They really did not care at all about human beings. Totally cold. In one book, they captured a human because they needed some kind of information, and the interrogation began with, "failure to cooperate will result in unpleasant stimuli." Very clever way to put that.

[Alasdhair]

Fritz Saberhagen's Berserkers were good: one story I liked was where one had its safety switch reset, resulting in the following dialogue:

"What is your mission?"

"To destroy all life wherever it is encountered."

"What's so unclear about that?"

"What is life? And how is it destroyed?"

[tofu]

yeah, I read that one!

Remember the one (may be the same one) where they get inside one of the moon-sized berserkers and find the recording of some alien giving a speach to a crowd? It was the berserkers' creaters - long dead - rejoicing in the building of the machines that they thought were going to protect them. Cool stuff.

Did you read the one about the "blue ghost" or whatever it was, I can't remember exactly. But it's about a berserker that was raiding a group of human colonies. It had been "stained blue eons ago by some unknown weapon unleashed on it by an alien race it had destroyed." There was an episode of BSG last season where they are in an asteroid field fighting a cylon raider with a big scar on it - total ripoff of that berserker story!

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

any thoughts on Friday's (USA) Saturday in Canada episode? Pretty solid in my opinion.

[davidlpf]

I really liked it too.

[Count Zero]

Adama got his "St. Crispian's Day" (http://www.rispin.co.uk/henryv.html) speech.

[Count Zero]

For two years now I've been wondering what they're going to do with Tom Zarek (the Richard Hatch character). I think we're about to find out. Whether Baltar lives or dies, he is out as Colonial President. Zarek is the Vice President. He did not cooperate with the occupation, so once again he's got that "prisoner of concience" thing going for him, and he nearly got executed, so that'll give him even more street cred - perhaps enough for people to forget that he was Baltar's VP for a disastrous year before the occupation.

Here's an interesting thought: Tigh was adament that Zarek was a terrorist. How will his recent experience affect his view of the man?

[Tobin Dax]

For two years now I've been wondering what they're going to do with Tom Zarek (the Richard Hatch character). I think we're about to find out. Whether Baltar lives or dies, he is out as Colonial President. Zarek is the Vice President. He did not cooperate with the occupation, so once again he's got that "prisoner of concience" thing going for him, and he nearly got executed, so that'll give him even more street cred - perhaps enough for people to forget that he was Baltar's VP for a disastrous year before the occupation.

Yeah, but Roslin took Colonial One. She wants the office back. I don't know how they'll do it, but she'll probably get it back. It feels like we're going back to the status quo for a few episodes (again).

[SirThoreth]

Just watched "Exodus, Pt. II". Spoilers:

(grr, no spoiler tags - highlight the text in between my "spoiler tags")


While I appreciate that the Pegasus got a hell of a send-off, what's the deal with the whole "ramming as a viable tactic in space warfare" thing going on in sci-fi these days?

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

I had a few problems with that episode (spoiler)





the Galatica jumping into a planetary atmosphere presents some questions....while they did show a bit of a breeze being kicked-up on the ground....one would think that a huge shockwave would be generated from such an event, plus a bunch of nasty stuff happening to the Galactica

also, were those nukes that Galactica/Pegasus were being bombarded with?

also, I really hope that they are not going to resort to the Voyageresq "it takes a licking but keeps on ticking" mentality....I mean the Galactica was pretty much toast in one scene and then in the next it seems to be prefectly fine....
all in all a great show despite the above

bbp

[Tobin Dax]

also, I really hope that they are not going to resort to the Voyageresq "it takes a licking but keeps on ticking" mentality....I mean the Galactica was pretty much toast in one scene and then in the next it seems to be prefectly fine....
all in all a great show despite the above
There are reasons that Ron Moore was only on Voyager for two episodes. Your fears should not be realized.

[Trantor]

I too thought that Galactica took a pretty good pounding and soon afterward seemed to be looking fine. Oh well, this is sci-fi after all. Overall, this was a very good episode. In my opinion, the best episode since the first half of Season 2.

[Hokie]

Zarek's association with Baltar will hurt him to much even if he did not help with the occupation. He seems to know that as he did not have any problems with Roslyn taking Colonial One.

[davidlpf]

well I liked really like the galacta dropping to ground. I had extra special efforts couple neighborhood kinds decicde to blow something up in their yard saw the flash heard bang windows rattled (bgadly timed during commercial).

[Count Zero]

I had a few problems with that episode (spoiler)





the Galatica jumping into a planetary atmosphere presents some questions....while they did show a bit of a breeze being kicked-up on the ground....one would think that a huge shockwave would be generated from such an event...

Yes, but it's easy to poke holes in TV shows. I have more fun trying to figure out why it wasn't a goof (in the spirit of the Marvel Comics No-Prize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-Prize)). How 'bout this: There was a shockwave, but the ship jumped away, leaving a battlestar-sized vacuum in midair. This area of rarifaction disrupted the shockwave heading downward. The shockwave propagating from the sides outwards may have caused havoc on the ground, but the camera wasn't over there to record that. Meanwhile, I would have expected the other colonial ships jumping out to cause a sound as the air closed in around the vacuum they left behind, then I realized that they were perhaps more than a mile in the air. It would take the sound several seconds to reach the ground, and the camera cut away befor this happened. :D

...plus a bunch of nasty stuff happening to the Galactica...
No. Both battlestars have been seen to take nuclear detonations at close range. Armor that can take that would have no trouble with the atmosphere Although heat dissipation for the longer "soak time" might have been an issue, the Galactica's curves and external ribs seem to suggest that she is built for this particular tactic. Interestingly, Pegasus apparently was not.

...also, were those nukes that Galactica/Pegasus were being bombarded with?

No. The impact special effect was different from when Galactica got nuked in the miniseries and when Pegasus got beat-up in "The Captain's Hand". Apparently the battlestars' armor can provide limited protection against the x-ray, gamma and neutron radiation of a nuke (blast isn't a big issue in vacuum), but can be penetrated by a nose-hardened armor-piercing warhead. The secondary explosions were interesting. I wonder if the missiles also deployed submunitions to try to suppress flak?

...also, I really hope that they are not going to resort to the Voyageresq "it takes a licking but keeps on ticking" mentality....I mean the Galactica was pretty much toast in one scene and then in the next it seems to be prefectly fine....

Yeah, I would have like to have seen some repairs/damage control in progress. However, we could rationalize that one by saying the heavily damaged areas are in vacuum, so we wouldn't see people walking around those compartments.

...all in all a great show despite the above
What you said!

[Redtail]

Yeah, I would have like to have seen some repairs/damage control in progress. However, we could rationalize that one by saying the heavily damaged areas are in vacuum, so we wouldn't see people walking around those compartments.




They've shown repairs/damage control on an earlier episode. Maybe next ep?

And Jumping the Galactica into the atmosphere and launch the Vipers was GREAT!. Pretty much the only thing I don't like about this season is Apollo's Fat suit and makeup.

[Count Zero]

I too thought that Galactica took a pretty good pounding and soon afterward seemed to be looking fine.

Update: In last night's episode ("Collaborators") Galactica looked pretty beat-up. I also noticed that Colonial One shows the effect of being in weather for over a year.

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

Update: In last night's episode ("Collaborators") Galactica looked pretty beat-up. I also noticed that Colonial One shows the effect of being in weather for over a year.


yeah, they should change the name of the show to "Battlescarred Galactica" ....them holes and burn marks give it a not quite mint in box look ....

[Count Zero]

they should change the name of the show to "Battlescarred Galactica"

LOL! That reminds me of my first car back in 1980. It was a huge 1972 Ford Gran Torino station wagon (like this (http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/1972_Ford_Torino.html) one - the hood alone was six feet long). I called it "Battlecar Galactica". :)

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

too funny it actually looks a little like a battlestar....you know you could probably fix one up to be more so....be the baddest looking car on the road....btw I love that show, it is arguably the best science fiction show ever

[Jim]

...btw I love that show, it is arguably the best science fiction show ever

Not even in the Top Five.
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=48228

[ToSeek]

The university where my wife went to grad school had a huge long ugly concrete building right in the middle of campus that someone alleged sprayed "Battlestar Galactica" on one night.

[SirThoreth]

yeah, they should change the name of the show to "Battlescarred Galactica" ....them holes and burn marks give it a not quite mint in box look ....

I was definitely happy about that: it shows they're paying attention to their own storyline and continuity, and not giving their characters "easy outs".

[Trantor]

I must say that the torture/sex scene in the last episode was very interesting! Toward the end of the scene, I had a lot of trouble wiping the smile off of my face. What an amazing character that Baltar is. His craziness somehow always carries him thru. Even the Cylon torturing him was taken in by his amazing strength. What a man!:)

[Trantor]

I must say that I felt rather let down in the last episode, because the writers decided not to take the beacon out of the Baseship and examine it. RDM has apparently said in his podcast that he didn't want the beacon to be a major issue in the next couple of episodes, so they decided to have it be destroyed. In my opinion, that was a bad choice on RDM's part. I know he prefers this show to be more about drama than science fiction, but it's us science fiction lovers who keep coming back; and I suspect have been largely tuning out since season 2. The ratings have been in a steady decline, as the show has lost half its audience since season 1.

Adama said that it was too dangerous to bring onboard because of the risk of infection, but he had no problem bringing several highly infected Cylons on board. This makes no sense at all. I think the beacon was much more important than those Cylons. Isn't the search for Earth, the top priority?

[Woody-]

I must say that I felt rather let down in the last episode, because the writers decided not to take the beacon out of the Baseship and examine it. RDM has apparently said in his podcast that he didn't want the beacon to be a major issue in the next couple of episodes, so they decided to have it be destroyed. In my opinion, that was a bad choice on RDM's part. I know he prefers this show to be more about drama than science fiction, but it's us science fiction lovers who keep coming back; and I suspect have been largely tuning out since season 2. The ratings have been in a steady decline, as the show has lost half its audience since season 1.

Adama said that it was too dangerous to bring onboard because of the risk of infection, but he had no problem bringing several highly infected Cylons on board. This makes no sense at all. I think the beacon was much more important than those Cylons. Isn't the search for Earth, the top priority?

I agree that the beacon was more important but I dont think they had any idea that the Cylon base ship was going to explode. They could of been thinking that they always could go back and get it once the cause of the infection was known.

As for bringing the infected cylons on board the Galactica that had to been one of the dumbest things yet. The smart thing to of done would of been to evacuate one of the smaller ships and use it for a quarantine zone.

[ToSeek]

I was thinking that they should pass the infected Cylons through the entire fleet. That would have the effect of rousting out any Cylons they didn't already know about.

[tofu]

I was thinking that they should pass the infected Cylons through the entire fleet. That would have the effect of rousting out any Cylons they didn't already know about.

Apparently, the doctor was easily able to see the difference in the blood of a human and a cylon He was able to say, "oh yeah, their RNA will break down the vaccine so they'll require multiple injections." So on that basis alone I'd say that it is no longer possible for a cylon to be hidden in the fleet. The humans know what to look for now. Of course, none of that matters because if it is convenient for the writers to have another hidden cylon, then it will be so.

In this last episode, they also said that the remaining five cylon models "we don't talk about" so I'm convinced one of them is going to end up being Adama or something equally lame. *sigh*

And here's another nitpick: we now know that the range of a resurrection ship is pretty limited. So, in season one when they found those hidden cylons in the fleet and killed them (for example, the guy that Starbuck flushed out the airlock) how did they manage to survive?

I realize that I'm whining here (anyone got any cheese?) but this is exactly what frustrates me about these kind of shows. It's so obvious that the writers didn't plan any of this out ahead of time. A writer of scifi books builds a whole reality around his work. There's a book (I forget the title) where Niven talks about all the back stories and unused history and technologies from his Known Space series. He build this whole universe and then any book or story he wrote had to be internally consistent within that universe. It seems to me that in BSG the writes decided, in the first season, "hey wouldn't it be cool if the cylons weren't afraid of death and got resurrected? Yeah, that'd be cool." Then when it's convenient for them, "hey we should make it so that resurrection ships have to be close by. Yeah, that'll be cool."

It just bugs me, that's all. I just know that one day he's going to be eating his morning Cheerios and decide, "hey wouldn't it be cool if everyone was actually a cylon, and Baltar is god. Yeah, that'd be cool."

[tofu]

On a lighter note, when was the last time that Caprica 6 saw her imaginary version of Baltar?

[Matherly]

In this last episode, they also said that the remaining five cylon models "we don't talk about" so I'm convinced one of them is going to end up being Adama or something equally lame. *sigh*

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyways, the link isn't up anymore, but on Aint-it-Cool someone scored an interview with they guys who play Tyrol and 'Helo', mainly by being in a Trader Vic's while they were an buying them drinks.

ANYWAYS, the two basically said that there are no more unknown Cylons in the Fleet. Everyone is acutely aware what the flesh jobs look like having been ocupied by them and all that. The five remaining models are those that have been "boxed" (something aluded to in the episode set on New Caprica) and are not active- meaning Baltar and Adama can't be on of those models.

Now then, the possibility exists that Baltar is a "13th Model", but that's been hinted at since the mini-series and can hardly be called a cop-out.

[Jim]

When they first invoked the resurrection ships, I think they did mention being in range. They just never said what that range was. It makes sense that they'd move it well out of range to avoid the spread of the infection.

My question is how a physical infection can be transmitted as a data stream? The resurrection ships don't pick up the bodies of the dead Cylons, they simply download their memories into new bodies. Was that explained?

Also, I doubt Baltar is a Cylon. He was sent into the infected ship and was tortured for information. If he were a Cylon, I don't think either of those would have happened.

[Saluki]

The university where my wife went to grad school had a huge long ugly concrete building right in the middle of campus that someone alleged sprayed "Battlestar Galactica" on one night.


Was it Faner Hall (http://www.museum.siu.edu/images/Fanerfront2a.jpg) by any chance?

[ToSeek]

Was it Faner Hall (http://www.museum.siu.edu/images/Fanerfront2a.jpg) by any chance?

That's the one. Boy, that's an ugly building.

[ToSeek]

When they first invoked the resurrection ships, I think they did mention being in range. They just never said what that range was. It makes sense that they'd move it well out of range to avoid the spread of the infection.

My question is how a physical infection can be transmitted as a data stream? The resurrection ships don't pick up the bodies of the dead Cylons, they simply download their memories into new bodies. Was that explained?

Also, I doubt Baltar is a Cylon. He was sent into the infected ship and was tortured for information. If he were a Cylon, I don't think either of those would have happened.

My wife the biologist goes nuts at some of this stuff. "You can't tell the Cylons from the humans?" "The humans and Cylons can breed with each other!?"

[Saluki]

ToSeek:

Have you ever asked her what possible use a nuclear weapon might have in identifying a human from a cylon?

Yes, Faner is by far the ugliest building on campus, and is possibly among the the ugliest buildings on the planet. It is a shame because otherwise the campus is among the most scenic that I have ever visited.

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

I kinda thought Saturday's episode (Bulldog) was....lame....it was like they were grasping for an idea that just didn't quite cut it. It jumped a baby shark.

[Delvo]

I missed the latest one, and, although I've skipped some before, I was actually curious about this one. What happened?

[Trantor]

I kinda thought Saturday's episode (Bulldog) was....lame....it was like they were grasping for an idea that just didn't quite cut it. It jumped a baby shark.

Agreed. I didn't care for this one much either. The Cylons held Bulldog for years and then let him escape so that maybe, he might want to kill Adama for revenge. Of course Bulldog manages to find the fleet, even thou they are trying to evade the Cylons. If the Cylons know where the fleet is, why not send in a few Baseships instead? And then at the end, Adama gives Bulldog his uniform back in a welcoming gesture - Yeah, we know you were with the Cylons for a while, and it was amazing that they let you escape, and you managed to find us, but welcome back anyway!

The previews for the next episode didn't exactly thrill me either. BSG Fightnight???

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

....and Fonzie's making his approach to the ramp....that shark sure looks hungry folks....

[Matherly]

(BSG Apologist mode) If I had a nickle for each time an internet pundent declaired that a show had "jumped the shark" I'd have... hmmm... We'll I'd dare say I'd have enough metalic mass to contruct my own planet.(/BSG Apologist Mode)

[Delvo]

Maybe that would be related to its slipping ratings as the weeks go by; different people have different limits/tolerances as viewers, but each time it does something stupid, it jumps another group of people's personal sharks.

[tofu]

If the Cylons know where the fleet is, why not send in a few Baseships instead?

yeah, that was pretty glaring. Kind of ruined it for me. And here's something else: Admiral Adama (or "Bill" to people 30 ranks below him) upset about crossing the armistice line and starting the war - did we forget the human cylon infiltrators? How long had Boomer been in flight training? Obviously the cylons crossed the armistice line *years* before the Bulldog Incident, and in the two years since the invasion, Adama has had lots of time to figure this out. If he had been haunted by a demon all this time, thinking "omg did I start this?" then it seems like he would have just asked Sharon, "hey, when did you guys send the first human infiltrators?" And when she says, "oh, like 2 years before the war, we had to get them set up and blended in and through flight training or college or whatever they had to do" then Adama would have his answer.

Oh well. It's still a good show.

[Count Zero]

What chapped my hide was the revisionist cliche that somehow everything is our fault. Sure, the Cylons infiltrated our political, military, scientific and media institutions, then they sabotaged our fleet, nuked our cities (killing 20 billion people, by one count) and attacked unarmed refugee ships, but this must've been because we provoked them by sending a one-man ship 2 kilometers over the armistice line.

I don't recall anyone even suggesting that the admiralty might have been justified in performing reconnaisance against the Cylons. What kind of logic is that? "If we have no idea what our old enemy is doing, they can't possibly pose a threat."

I still like the show, but this was one seriously stupid episode.

[Delvo]

Among all the various stupidities that I gather this episode contained based on what I see here and in Sci-Fi's plot synopsis, the one I get the biggest kick out of is that the Colonies, with their industrial and scientific resource base, couldn't produce a stealth vehicle that would go undetected. Why? Not because I'm declaring that by itself to be impossible, but because some mechanics in the fugitive fleet did manage to make a thoroughly invisible vehicle by slapping some spare carbon onto a scrapped-together spaceframe just because they didn't have enough sheet metal. :D :rolleyes: :lol:

[Count Zero]

Perhaps it would have been stealthier if Bulldog hadn't been chattering on the radio like a talk-show host.

[tofu]

*snicker*

Hey, when they showed Valkyrie in this episode, was that the first time we got to see what the newer kind of battlestars look like?

Anybody know of a fanboy website with drawings of the different kinds of ships we've seen so far?

edit: cool, found it: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Category:Battlestars

[Careless]

My wife the biologist goes nuts at some of this stuff. "You can't tell the Cylons from the humans?" "The humans and Cylons can breed with each other!?"


Your wife is horribly off base.
Take a lion. Take a tiger. take 1000 years of future genetics knowledge. Breed the two (they can do that naturally now). Take all the lion-specific appearance genes and replace them with tiger genes. You've got a thing that looks like a lion but is anti-social, will hunt humans, etc.
given that they still have cancer, it's safe to assume that these people have willfully decided to ignore the potential of genetic manipulation and can reasonably be expected to not know the limits of the human genome

[Van Rijn]

My question is how a physical infection can be transmitted as a data stream? The resurrection ships don't pick up the bodies of the dead Cylons, they simply download their memories into new bodies. Was that explained?

They had some technogarble about transmitting a biowhatsit field to the resurrection ship. Ugh. An advanced software virus would have made more sense.

[Trantor]

Looks like BSG will be moving to Sunday nights at 10pm starting with the second half of Season 3 on January 21st.

BSG is costly for Sci-Fi to produce. If this doesn't improve the show's ratings, cancellation is looming.

[Extravoice]

They had some technogarble about transmitting a biowhatsit field to the resurrection ship. Ugh. An advanced software virus would have made more sense.

Did the Cylons say that the virus would transmit to the resurrection ship, or that they were afraid that it could?

Simply not knowing what caused the illness, combined with a paranoia of the humans, could generate enough fear that they wouldn't risk resurrecting the dead. No technobabble required.

[Matherly]

Did the Cylons say that the virus would transmit to the resurrection ship, or that they were afraid that it could?

Could

To my knowledge, none of the infected Cylons have ever resurrected. Both the Cylons and the Colonials were moving on that assumption, but it's unproven.

[Launch window]

Did the Cylons say that the virus would transmit to the resurrection ship, or that they were afraid that it could?

Simply not knowing what caused the illness, combined with a paranoia of the humans, could generate enough fear that they wouldn't risk resurrecting the dead. No technobabble required.

From what I got on that episode they were 'afraid that it could'

[Van Rijn]

Did the Cylons say that the virus would transmit to the resurrection ship, or that they were afraid that it could?

Simply not knowing what caused the illness, combined with a paranoia of the humans, could generate enough fear that they wouldn't risk resurrecting the dead. No technobabble required.

Well, that would be nice, but the technobabble was there.

[Humots]

They had some technogarble about transmitting a biowhatsit field to the resurrection ship. Ugh. An advanced software virus would have made more sense.

I was hoping that the humans who went to Earth had had their own problems with something like Cylons, and had booby-trapped their beacon with a very sophisticated anti-robot virus.

Instead, the beacon just happened to have been contaminated with a run-of-the-mill disease (apparently not some kind of bio-warfare product) that was so thoroughly deadly to Cylons? With their super immune systems that can wipe out cancer?

By the way, did the humans salvage that beacon, or was it lost when the Cylon base star self-destructed? If they still have it, it might contain some interesting information or technology.

[DataCable]

With their super immune systems that can wipe out cancer?
It was some quality specific to the blood of a human/cylon hybrid child which cured Laura's cancer, not a cylon "super immune system."

[Kesh]

Everyone keeps saying how Adama's line of thought about blaming himself for the war isn't logical.

Who said human emotion was logical? People blame themselves for things that obviously aren't their fault all the time. And this was compounded by his decision to kill a friend. I'd say his guilt, while misplaced, made sense.

[Humots]

It was some quality specific to the blood of a human/cylon hybrid child which cured Laura's cancer, not a cylon "super immune system."

I checked, you're right, my mistake.

[tofu]

I'd say his guilt, while misplaced, made sense.

sure, I can buy that. I just think it's pretty obvious that the cylons broke the armistice first - regardless of what Adama thinks, that's the truth. Apollo should have been able to figure this out and instead of saying, "but dad, you were just following orders" he should have said, "what are you upset about? The cylons had been infiltrating us for years!"

Also note that we learned in the very first episode that there was a procedure in place for the cylons and humans to meet once a year and discuss anything they wanted to discuss. The cylons never once sent a representative.

The plot up to this episode made it clear that the cylons never wanted peace. What other conclusion could you draw from these two facts: 1) they never made an effort at dialog or communication with the humans 2) they actively broke the peace treaty and infiltrated human institutions.

So that's where we were plot-wise two weeks ago. And then the writers throw this at us: "oh wait, maybe the cylons invaded because of something Adama did!"

That's the part that is illogical. They are clearly scrambling for random storylines and then attempting to make them fit into the larger story. I hate that. It never works. If the show isn't canceled, it wont be long until a have "the time travel episode," the "galactica has been capture by the cylons" episode, etc. all the things that made star trek so formulaic.

And this, btw, is saying nothing of the fact that the cylons themselves must know of the human fleet's exact position, because they obviously programmed that raider to make a jump. Now I know that you can explain that away by saying that they hope the humans will lead them to Earth. But here's another thing, there were two raiders that apparently *followed* Bulldog's raider though a jump. That's a new capability as well. Now, I know that you can say, "well maybe there is a homing device" but we've also never had any indication that there is such a thing as FTL communication. In just the last episode, galactica jumps into a cylon supply lane and two recon raider jump in, have a look at galactica - *and then leave* If they had FTL communication, then they would sit there, watching galactica, until the fleet arrived. But no, they had to leave to go report galactica's location.

That's just the kind of thing that makes me eventually stop watching. How hard would it be to have worked out the physics of your universe before you started writing scripts? The episodes should at least be internally consistent.

[Delvo]

Actually, in the pilot miniseries, the first "Leoben" Adama meets (dying at Ragnar) made some demands before he turned out to be a Cylon, and one of them was a ship with a untracible Jump engine... which implied from the start that some can be traced and some can't. And the next episode, "33", had the cylons showing up where they went, so apparently the Cylons that had infiltrated the Olympic Carrier were making its Jumps tracible. So it fits perfectly for Radiers to be able to trace each other's Jumps.

The problem is that the human pilot in "Hero" was able to Jump to the fleet with no indication of where it was...

[Matherly]

Unless the Cylons know exactly where they are...

[tofu]

Unless the Cylons know exactly where they are...

Maybe it was just a lucky guess. I mean, come on, how big is space, really?

[Echard]

By the way, did the humans salvage that beacon, or was it lost when the Cylon base star self-destructed? If they still have it, it might contain some interesting information or technology.

I remember the beacon being destroyed with the base star, and we haven't heard about it since, but I wouldn't put it past the writers to somehow work it into the script that the recon team actually recovered the beacon to use in some future episode.

Does Starbuck annoy the heck out of anybody else? Everytime the enters the scene I can almost feel the life blood being sucked out of the show. Why do you think a woman was cast in the part?? Was it to show how advanced the human race was at that point by eliminating all differences between the sexes? Whatever the reason, it just isn't working. Katee Sackhoff's dad is a major developer in the Portland, OR area and is worth some serious bucks, so maybe the skids were greased a little bit to get her the part, but of course, that is pure speculation on my part. :think:

[Matherly]

Well, this should come as no surprise coming from me, but I like Katee Sackhoff as Starbuck. In fact, I've enjoyed the performances by all of the female cast members (especially Grace Park and Mary McDonald).

[Trantor]

I remember the beacon being destroyed with the base star, and we haven't heard about it since, but I wouldn't put it past the writers to somehow work it into the script that the recon team actually recovered the beacon to use in some future episode.


Unfortunately, RDM has stated in his podcast that the beacon was destroyed when the Baseship blew up. It would have been nice to discover some of its mysteries, but RDM stated that he didn't want to spend the next two episodes on that topic. Instead, we get a screwed-up hero and boxing!

[vonmazur]

"Yo Adrienne....." Rocky XXII...Please, spare us the rip offs of other shows..

I suppose they will play "Eye of the Tiger" too...

Dale

[Matherly]

(BSG Apologist Mode)
Yes, because it's completely unprecidented for there to be boxing in the military :rolleyes:
(/BSG Apologist Mode)

[vonmazur]

Remember "From Here to Enternity"?? All they wanted to do was win the Divisional Boxing match.....then they had a minor inconvienence......

Dale

[Launch window]

Yes, because it's completely unprecidented for there to be boxing in the military

Yeah but I've a feeling RDM is gonna make a big mess of this one by having Kara 'Starbuck' Thrace beat the heck out of everyone, giving most of the other characters KO's ( perhaps she punches Adama's lights out for some kind of pseudo political correctness or a move by the writers to improve ratings ).

[jrkeller]

Yeah but I've a feeling RDM is gonna make a big mess of this one by having Kara 'Starbuck' Thrace beat the heck out of everyone, giving most of the other characters KO's ( perhaps she punches Adama's lights out for some kind of pseudo political correctness or a move by the writers to improve ratings ).

I felt that this episode wasn't that bad and fortunately none of your predictions came true

[Saluki]

I was pleasently suprised. They used boxing as a way to delve into the minds of the characters. I thought it worked well.

[Trantor]

This one was basically what I expected. Overall, I was not happy about the episode, because it felt repetative and I was a bit bored with all the boxing. I could care less about Kara and Lee doing it in the woods, while others were passed out drunk. I did enjoy the Adama vs. Chief fight. This was the highpoint of the episode.

[Echard]

I recorded the boxing episode on my DVR and haven't bothered to see it yet.

Attention... waning...... hard.. to.. maintain.. interest......

[banquo's_bumble_puppy]

anyone like this past weekend's episode?

I give it a solid B+

[Launch window]

anyone like this past weekend's episode?

I give it a solid B+

Yeah it was ok, but it doesn't make up for the past few episodes that were rather poor , I've already wrote about why I've stated to dislike this show which I once considered to be very good. There are many reasons one of them is the transformations done to the main characters. The Kara "Starbuck" Thrace character did have her flaws in the 1st Season but she was still enjoyable despite her flaws she was able to pilot a Cylon raider back to the ship, guide the fleet from Ragnar and so on. Now she's just worthless and may be responsible for the death of another character, I also think the Apollo character is suffering because of what the writers have done with Starbuck, and the news is out that the latest ratings haven't been doing so good. This episode was far better than the last but when put into context with the overall series I'm not sure this episode was so great.

[Trantor]

This episode was far better than the last but when put into context with the overall series I'm not sure this episode was so great.

I would have to agree. I thought that this episode was decent when compared to some of the other recent episodes, but not anything special. Next week's episode looks like it might have some good potential, as it deals with another mysterious artifact in the search for Earth. Hopefully, the writers will decide to give us more about the search for Earth and finding interesting things along the way, and less about Starbuck's pathetic life.

[tofu]

I agree, B+

They're going to be really surprised when the get to Earth and see our advanced technology like for example tinted visors and sunglasses. They're going to say, "wow, we could have used this when going through that blinding nebula"

[Lonewulf]

They're going to be really surprised when the get to Earth and see our advanced technology like for example tinted visors and sunglasses. They're going to say, "wow, we could have used this when going through that blinding nebula"

That's a good one. Heh heh.