Elisabeth Sladen is still HOT

[Rift]

::drools::

Or maybe i'm just getting old too, lol.

It was good to see K9 again too, and the reparte between Sarah and Rose was hilarious.

[01101001]

For the benefit of other readers just as unfamiliar with it and her as I...

Rift is talking about Dr. Who.

(Please, folks, give context to your articles.)

[hhEb09'1]

(Please, folks, give context to your articles.)Who's Dr. Who?

[Rift]

For Who fans "Elisabeth Salden" and "K9" IS enough context. :P

[ciderman]

I know a certain pointy eared mod agrees with you.
Here's an interview with lis,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content/articles/2006/04/19/film_doctor_who_lis_sladen_interview_feature.shtml
& there are rumours of her return in a new series (sorry I can't yet confirm this, security in the production team is tight)
8 days to go before this spin off :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchwood/,
ah, perhaps no vids yet for those outside the UK I'm afraid.

[Jim]

Elizabeth Ann Sladen is still hot in any context.

[jrkeller]

She was always my favorite companion. Louise Jameson (Leela) would probably be next.

[Rift]

For context, the States just got the first broadcast of "School Reunion" (the episode with Sarah and K9) last night. Sorry I didn't make it more clear in my first post but I was just so darn excited seeing Lis...

The Wikipedia (yeah i know) entry for "School Reunion" states rather matter of fact and definet that not only is Sarah Jane going to get her own spin off, but so is K9, with K9 not being in Sarah's spinoff... which I hope is NOT true.

I hope they don't do to Dr Who, what they did with Trek, have to many dang spinoffs going at the same time.

I wish I hadn't known that either Sarah or K9 had been in "School Reunion" last night, but some of the comericals on the Sci Fi channel showed them both. My reaction at seeing Sarah without knowing would have been something.

And heaven knows when and if we'll ever get to see Torchwood, so hush :P

[HenrikOlsen]

I hope they don't do to Dr Who, what they did with Trek, have to many dang spinoffs going at the same time.
From what I remember, Trek only had two shows going at any one time, the rest was syndicated reruns of earlier shows that ended.

[ciderman]

Thanks for the heads up on those Wiki entrys there Rift, hadn't seen them before.
There's a relevent discussion here about stuff,
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=40525
K9 being split off seems due to number of reasons(post 143),
I'm looking forward to more K9, who seems an integral character (just my opinon though!). But there could be a probem there, according to another contact it seems that one of the rights holders for the use of K9 isn't keen on letting them use him, probably due to having a but of a tiff with RTD & they're wanting to do something else with him.

I'm afraid Wiki seems to be confirming that after a fashion:(,
& I'm sure this handy interweb thingie means you won't have to wait too long to see Torchwood:shifty: .

[Rift]

Well that bites (pardon the pun) I like Sarah and K9 together (even if the K9 and Comapany plot was fairly weak). Although I'm not sure I trust Wikipedia much (like my grandpa always said, you get what you pay for).

I tend to be old fashioned and don't like to use the handy interweb thingie to watch shows (they run oddly on my computer). Of course if the States never show Torchwood, i'll be obligied to.

Also tend to stay away from fandom online until after I've seen a certain episode, and even then you Brits always give things away :P

[Mellow]

I'll just agree, Elizabeth Salden is, was and will ever be, gorgeous. Where I will disagree is in any positive reference to K-9, awful awful awful idea. Always hated it, always will. end rant....

[Gillianren]

For Who fans "Elisabeth Salden" and "K9" IS enough context. :P

So now you're discriminating against non-Who fans? We don't get to know what you're talking about? Fine, then! See if I care! (Sniff.)

[yuzuha]

Interesting coincidence. I was just watching the box set of the first Dr Who series ( http://www.krysstal.com/drwho1.html ) and was thinking how my favorites were the first series with Susan, the 3rd series with Sara Jane Smith and Unit ( http://www.krysstal.com/drwho3.html ) and the 4th doctor (http://www.krysstal.com/drwho4.html ). Just finished and turned to the sci fi channel looking for something to watch and there was the reunion episode with Sara and K-9...

[Rift]

So now you're discriminating against non-Who fans? We don't get to know what you're talking about? Fine, then! See if I care! (Sniff.)


Yes, we are discrimnating against you! If you're not geeky, er ::cough:: i mean cool enough to know who Elisabeth Sladen or K9 is then you don't need to know :P

[01101001]

Yes, we are discrimnating against you! If you're not geeky, er ::cough:: i mean cool enough to know who Elisabeth Sladen or K9 is then you don't need to know :P

I think you get it, and are just having fun, but just in case:

It is rude to your audience, and poor writing, to just drop names and comment on attributes without providing at some context suitable for most strangers to get oriented. Your opening article required me do some searching to figure out what you were talking about, and that was an unnecessary burden.

Have some pity on people who aren't as cool as you. Maybe they will appreciate it, and come to see you as a good source of information. At least it will be good practice for the day when you actually need to communicate clearly.

[Rift]

Interesting coincidence. I was just watching the box set of the first Dr Who series and was thinking how my favorites were the first series with Susan, the 3rd series with Sara Jane Smith and Unit and the 4th doctor ). Just finished and turned to the sci fi channel looking for something to watch and there was the reunion episode with Sara and K-9...

Actually I can't really say who my favorite companion is, anymore then I can say who my favorite Doctor is. While there are some companions I don't like ::cough:: Mel, Adric, and Ace ::cough:: Most of the others I like.

I do have to say I think Barbara of the Hartnell era is over looked. She's really the only companion to seriously question the Doctor and gives as good as she takes.

If I had to list my favorite companions they'd be Sarah Jane, Leela, Barbara and Harry Sullivan (he was the perfect foil for Tom Baker and a good match with Sarah, pity they wrote him out, but his character was a bit redundant. They were thinking about an older doctor for the 4th doctor and they wrote Harry Sullivan in to handle the physical stuff, which wasn't really nessecary after they cast Tom Baker for the role)

[Rift]

I think you get it, and are just having fun, but just in case:

It is rude to your audience, and poor writing, to just drop names and comment on attributes without providing at some context suitable for most strangers to get oriented. Your opening article required me do some searching to figure out what you were talking about, and that was an unnecessary burden.

Have some pity on people who aren't as cool as you. Maybe they will appreciate it, and come to see you as a good source of information. At least it will be good practice for the day when you actually need to communicate clearly.


I do get it, and I apologized in a post above for not providing the context.

I don't think I'm cool at all. And I think saying it "Would be good practice for me when I really do need to communicate" is just plain rude on your behalf.

After all even Phil didn't provide context for this post http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=46231 and I don't see him taken to task.

I'm sorry I burdened you, but heaven knows i just pass over the posts and threads I don't understand.

[ToSeek]

I do have to say I think Barbara of the Hartnell era is over looked. She's really the only companion to seriously question the Doctor and gives as good as she takes.

If I weren't so fond of Sarah Jane, Ian and Barbara would be my favorite Companions. They're unique in a way because they're the only Companions to be the leads - starting out the show was really from their point-of-view, with the Doctor this strange guy off to the side. It was only after they left that the Doctor became the leading man/heroic figure that he's been ever since.

[ToSeek]

As for the spinoff series with Sarah Jane, I can confirm that - in fact, they're filming it right now. However, K9 is not in it because another production team is working on a series featuring him. I know less about that one, though, so I don't know how close to happening it is.

[01101001]

I do get it, and I apologized in a post above for not providing the context.

Good. I missed it. Thanks.

I don't think I'm cool at all. And I think saying it "Would be good practice for me when I really do need to communicate" is just plain rude on your behalf.

Shall I retract it? OK. It wouldn't. No... That's not right. I mean, you're communicating fine. Sorry about that.

After all even Phil didn't provide context for this post http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=46231 and I don't see him taken to task.

I'm sorry I burdened you, but heaven knows i just pass over the posts and threads I don't understand.

The BA did provide a link that explained it came from a convention. He didn't explain who or what was pictured, but it was easy to tell it was a convention character. I guess I'm different. I don't just pass over everything I don't understand. I presume the authors are trying to communicate something good, and when they are considerate of their readers, I am grateful.

So, thanks in advance, next time, when you do.

[Gillianren]

For what it's worth, my own post was intended as a joke to explain why context is needed. I have a tendency to assume (generally incorrectly) that everyone knows the same things as I. Gentle reminders that not everyone has read the same dozen really obscure children's books from 90 years ago are sometimes necessary.

[Roy Batty]

Huh? what really obscure children's books?! :D

[ciderman]

As for the spinoff series with Sarah Jane, I can confirm that - in fact, they're filming it right now. .
That was welcome news, thanks!
However, K9 is not in it because another production team is working on a series featuring him. I know less about that one, though, so I don't know how close to happening it is.
Thing is, I've just heard(today) that the BBC has now made a royalty payment for the use of K9, & a larger one than would be expected for a single episode...
:confused: :think: Perhaps they're getting a series each at the BBC?(seems unlikely to me).
Still it is good news.
Oh, & Roy, if you're going to taunt our lady of language (esp. about the use of language:eek: ) you're a braver man than I.:D

[Roy Batty]

Oh, & Roy, if you're going to taunt our lady of language (esp. about the use of language:eek: ) you're a braver man than I.:D
I wouldn't dare taunt her about the use of language, even if I ever found a fault:D

Isn't the K9 series going to be primarily a children's show? (not that that will stop me checking it out :))
Oldish link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4939144.stm).

[ciderman]

Well, I've heard it would be. This one?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4939144.stm
Hah, you just beat me to it!
What gets me is that the BBC has now just paid to use him(that one isn't a BBC jobbie), perhaps they're coming in as co-producers on that one.

[ToSeek]

Scroll down on this page (http://www.parkentertainment.com/television%20series.htm) for just a little more information on the K9 series.

And here's a press release (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/09_september/14/sarah.shtml) about the Sarah Jane series, which is also going to be a children's program.

[Roy Batty]

Hmm, sounds more likely now that the BBC have paid some of our ever increasing licence fee just for K9's one-off appearance in the special, Ciderman. I hope it(he) gets to shoot something! :)

[ciderman]

Well, perhaps, it is possible the payment is for the special, but it was a more generous sum than would normally be expected for a single episode. Generousity in such things is not normally associated with the beeb:lol: !! They really don't like giving away money, trust me, I was there for six years:wall: :D
Then I realize it's possible there could have been some payment for the recent US broadcast, so it could have been for both, though I am guessing here:).
I hope he* gets toshoot (hmm, typo has led to new poster name here; one who posts before consideration perhaps?) something really big in a spectacular fashion!! Hopefully lots of really big somethings, like Vogon Construtor ships
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/movies/40935/40935_cv.jpg

*Oh no, you've got me worried here now. Remember what they did to Basil Brush:eek:

[Roy Batty]

*Oh no, you've got me worried here now. Remember what they did to Basil Brush:eek:
I watched only one of the new ones I think. A lack of 'Boom! Boom!' ;)

Btw is that a piccy of Jodrell Bank or Goonhilly distinctly not seeing one? :)

[PhantomWolf]

Hmm, sounds more likely now that the BBC have paid some of our ever increasing licence fee just for K9's one-off appearance in the special, Ciderman. I hope it(he) gets to shoot something!

You should do what we did over here. Call it an illegal tax and rebel. So many people refused to pay and signed a petition they dropped it years ago.

[Rift]

Okay, I'm a bit confused. How did the BBC loose the rights to use K9 in BBC produced shows?

Copyright Laws are confusing enough for me in my own country, nevermind another one...

[ToSeek]

Okay, I'm a bit confused. How did the BBC loose the rights to use K9 in BBC produced shows?

Copyright Laws are confusing enough for me in my own country, nevermind another one...

The way the BBC works, if you come up with an idea and are employed by them, it belongs to them. If you come up with an idea, and you don't work for them (even though they may be paying you for the script or story idea), it's yours. (This explains why freelance writer Terry Nation made a small fortune from the Daleks while BBC designer Ray Cusick didn't profit at all.) K9 belongs to Bob Baker and Dave Martin, not the BBC.

[Roy Batty]

Hmm, sounds more likely now that the BBC have paid some of our ever increasing licence fee just for K9's one-off appearance in the special, Ciderman. I hope it(he) gets to shoot something!

You should do what we did over here. Call it an illegal tax and rebel. So many people refused to pay and signed a petition they dropped it years ago.
Well I suspect it would of proved too difficult to go after you all on Lost Deimos Moon Base :)

[ciderman]

The way the BBC works, if you come up with an idea and are employed by them, it belongs to them.
True, now. Unless you have sufficient influence, when deals are still done. Years ago it was more fuzzy, it took the beeb a long time(decades) to realize the potential for re-runs & sales to other broadcasters.(this partially explains the loss of early Dr Who episodes, once something was done, that was it. Only later was it realised that people would like to see things again:doh: ) Hence ownership was less of a consideration.
K9 was the invention of Bob Baker & Dave Martin (my mates Dad) but the beeb wanted £500 from them for the first model to be made. They said no, & the response from the beeb was ok then, we'll pay for the model for half the rights, so currently he's 50% BBC owned, 25% Bob Baker & 25% Dave Martin. Apparently, as I have been told;) .
It just doesn't feel right refuting something by Toseek though:o
It's easy to answer the original question mind you,

How did the BBC loose the rights to use K9 in BBC produced shows?
They never had exclusive rights in the first place.
Copyright at the BBC is often a nightmare(mainly because of all the special one off deals & gentlemans agreements) , most of the time it's easier to do something else!
And of course the need to keep things (plus the growing output) has resulted in the archive's growing nearly out of control, I recall a suggestion from on high just a few years ago that everything not used for five years should be junked, as it was obviously not needed!:wall:
Right, thats enough ranting (sips apple based drink).
I guessing that PhantomWolf is in New Zealand BTW.

[ToSeek]

K9 was the invention of Bob Baker & Dave Martin (my mates Dad) but the beeb wanted £500 from them for the first model to be made. They said no, & the response from the beeb was ok then, we'll pay for the model for half the rights, so currently he's 50% BBC owned, 25% Bob Baker & 25% Dave Martin. Apparently, as I have been told;) .
It just doesn't feel right refuting something by Toseek though:o

You seem to have more detailed information than I do. The general circumstances are that if you write a script for Doctor Who and come up with a new character or a new race of aliens or whatever, then, unless you're directly employed by the Beeb, the whole concept belongs to you. But, as you point out, agreements can change that.