Idiot

[AitchJay]

Picture the scene: come to our WILDLIFE park, bring the family.

See our MAN-EATER crocodiles.

WATCH, as I make the SAVAGE ANIMAL angry, then stick my arm in it's mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4YNqf3g0W8

I live in a region full of salt-water crocs - you don't mess with them.

As I type this, a search is underway for missing fishermen..

I can't tell you how angry I am with this guy, and to think - they probably killed the animal for being unco-operative.

[AitchJay]

I'm sorry, that may need a warning on it. It's vile and saddening.

[Moose]

That definitely needs a warning on it. Ouch.

But yeah, count the mistakes made with that saltie.

1) He was kneeling, so if the saltie snapped at him again (yes, again(!)), he had nowhere to go and no chance of reacting or retreating.

2) He was poking the saltie's jaw repeatedly with a stick, plus gesturing quickly in the croc's face. I don't know any animals who won't become at least somewhat agitated by that combination of behavior. And the fastest way to get any trained critter to revert to instinct is to stress it.

3) He then tempted fate by placed his arm into the saltie's mouth.

The guy looks like he still has his arm at the end of it, despite the saltie's death-rolling him, but it looks broken or dislocated at the elbow. What I found most fascinating, though, is how the croc was able to death-roll on land so gracefully.

[Fazor]

Without viewing the link (these computers here at work are archaic and can barely handle playback of any video :/ ), I can get the idea of what happened from the posts. Anyway...what gets me is how this stuff happens and soo many people are like "Oh, what a horrible tragedy!"...

There was a comedian on the radio show 'Bob and Tom' (if you don't get it in your area you're missing out, guys are hilarious). He said something to the effect of, "That's not a tragedy. A tragedy is being run over by a train..... ...while you're in your shower." Guess you had to be there :) But strangely relevant to this post.

[Doodler]

Yeah, the tendons in his elbow are probably trashed. The blood might have come from the saltie's teeth raking skin when the elbow joint didn't fail completely.

[MG1962A]

Can anyone tell if it is a croc or an alligator?

[ciderman]

I'm pretty sure it's a croc, due to the relative thinness of the upper jaw & the notch some way along it for the protruding teeth in the lower. The picture quality make it tricky, & I would need a look with its jaws shut to be certain

[Vermonter]

I don't feel sorry for that dude. He poked a croc on the snout with a stick, and then with his hand. What the hell was he expecting when he then stuck his arm into its mouth?

[Frantic Freddie]

I have absolutely no sympathy for folks who get bit,chewed,gored,trampled,clawed or eaten by animals that they've poked,prodded,harassed,chased or climbed in a cage with.

Like the moron in Yellowstone,tryin' to get as close as he can to a buffalo,buffalo thinks "No,you're not" & moron ends up 15 feet in the air.

The local idiot that tried to feed the bear by hand (never mind that it's against the law) & lost that hand.

The illiterate Darwin Award winners who go swimming in Florida.It's obvious they're illiterate,they couldn't read DANGER!!! ALLIGATORS!!!.

"You wanna poke at that snake makin' the funny noise with it's tail? Be my guest,but you're tyin' your own tourniquet..."

"No,that's not Bambi,that's Bambi's dad & he really doesn't want you to pet him,that's why he's aiming those big pointy things on his head at you"

[Doodler]

I still get a giggle over the animal rights activist that got trampled during the Running of the Bulls a few years back.

That was pure comedy when she went airborne.

[Dragon Star]

I can't tell for sure, but it looks to me like he broke that arm in several places...pretty good chance he lost it.:rolleyes:

[JohnD]

How does that differ from St. Steve Irwin?
See this video where St.Steve taunts a croc to take bait on a rope then drags the poor creature about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HgHhHNC92M&mode=related&search=

St.Steve could do no wrong, this guy was unlucky.
So was St.Steve, eventually.

John

[Moose]

See this video where St.Steve taunts a croc to take bait on a rope then drags the poor creature about.

Your bias is showing.

I saw nothing negligent or even remotely harmful to the croc there. If it hurt the croc at all, it would have let go. What I saw was a semi-wild croc that was allowed to exercise its natural instincts in a way that was at all times safe and well-controlled by its trainer.

[SMEaton]

Hah. Saint Steve probably inspired this guy to do what he did. So much for common sense.

[Nicolas]

Like the moron in Yellowstone,tryin' to get as close as he can to a buffalo,buffalo thinks "No,you're not" & moron ends up 15 feet in the air.

I'm a bit confused. What's called a buffalo in Yellowstone is what I tend to identify as a Bison, and the African cowlike model is what I call a buffalo. (edit: it appears to be a more or less incorrect name for a Bison. When I use the word buffalo in this text, I mean the african variant, not the American bison) But anyway. Bisons tend to be more gentle than afrcian buffalos, but they're still no pets. Especially african buffalos can be extremely dangerous, just like hippo's. But they aren't grizzly's or lions, so some uneducated people see these creatures as alternative cows. What can they possibly do, they eat plants! Well, they can do quite a lot in fact, and it's all very deadly. When my parents lived in Africa, elephants and lions were no common problem when following the roads in the wildlife parks. Buffalos were. When a buffalo is standing on the road, it's his road. You find some other way, or you are up to finding another car if you still have a body capable of driving one after the buffalo showed your car who's the king of the road.

[Dragon Star]

How does that differ from St. Steve Irwin?
See this video where St.Steve taunts a croc to take bait on a rope then drags the poor creature about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HgHhHNC92M&mode=related&search=

St.Steve could do no wrong, this guy was unlucky.
So was St.Steve, eventually.

John

For one, Steve actually knows what he is doing. Do homework before slaming those who don't deserve it.

[SMEaton]

I've no experience with buffalo, lion, or hippo, but I have considerable experience with cattle. On our land lived a charolais bull as tall as the cab of our truck. I remember tossing hay or grain off as I sat on the bed... and yelling to my brother "go faster!" because it was getting aggressively close. I think it wanted to mate with our Chevy. As an adolescent and teenager I also spent much time working in the local stockyard, and frequently having to dodge an angry bull/steer/cow that didn't want to be herded out of its pen.

[Trebuchet]

I'm a bit confused. What's called a buffalo in Yellowstone is what I tend to identify as a Bison, and the African cowlike model is what I call a buffalo. ....

Yes "bison" is correct but the critter has been commonly known as "buffalo" in North America since the beginning of European settlement. Interaction between bison and people in Yellowstone has, I think, become a bigger problem than bears.

About 30 years ago I actually saw a mother in Yellowstone tell her child "See the pretty deer? It has a ribbon on it so it's tame. Go stand over there and pet it while I take a picture." "Over there" was off the boardwalk across the uncertain ground in the geyser basin at Old Faithful. The "deer" was a cow elk (another misnomer, properly "wapiti") and it did indeed have a ribbon as part of some tracking research or other. Fortunately the kid had better sense.

[Nicolas]

The best rule is that any animal in the wild is a deadly danger from which one should stay away. You will be mistaken in many cases by making that assumption, but it is the kind of mistake that keeps you alive.

Only a very experienced person can put more detail into that rule. He can recognize the 90% of occasions when a (closeby) lion poses no danger at all, versus the 10% of occasions where he will live up to his reputation.

And even from these experienced rangers you hear (when they're being honest) statements such as

"do you know how I recognize this elephant strike as a fake strike? A real strike wouldn't have stopped in front of us". Animals are unpredictable, and can also surprise experienced rangers. Luckily for the rangers, often animals start with a "warning shot" which gives the ranger a second chance to interpret the situation correctly. I think that often this is what makes hippo and buffalo more dangerous than elephant and lions: not in the first place that they more often will attack than lions and elephants, but that they will warn less. When a buffalo comes stampeding at your car, he won't stop in front of it. If he's in the mood for a warning, he will stop after just a few strikes. If a lion gives a warning, he moves a bit instead of staying in a coma in the shadow :).

(all in general of course).

[Fazor]

The best rule is that any animal in the wild is a deadly danger from which one should stay away.

Yes, but then how do you get close enough to put the animal in a glass jar with a twig and some rocks to simulate it's natural environment on the conveniance of your very own desk?

[Nicolas]

You place a glass jar on your desk and wait for the exotic animal to get into it and lock the seal on itslf, while you're miles away.

[crosscountry]

Can anyone tell if it is a croc or an alligator?

Alligators are only in the US I believe.

[SeanF]

Bisons tend to be more gentle than afrcian buffalos, but they're still no pets.
They're good eatin', though. :)

[Nicolas]

I've never eaten it, but I believe you when you say it. And as long they don't shoot off wild animals for it, it's fine by me (fine as in no difference with cows). There are quite some bison farms overhere as well. It's a nice sight to see a bison with winter fur on a cold morning, standing in a field on the edge of a forest, the steam coming out of its nose (no, not because he's about to charge :))

[Moose]

There's a llama ranch within twenty minutes drive of my parents' house. It's quite a head-turner on that highway.

[Nicolas]

I know somebody who's got 2 llama's (or a larger variant of the species) in his front yard. That ain't a large front yard I'm talking about. Also a head-turner!

[Trebuchet]

Llamas have become so popular around here (in the semi-rural areas) that I don't even notice them much any more. I'm not sure why anyone wants them, but they're undeniably popular. One of my former co-workers had a pair.

[crosscountry]

A friend of mine gave his wife 2 llamas for a wedding present. Now they are getting 2 females to keep the males occupied

I don't understand it.

[weatherc]

I prefer alpacas to llamas, myself. At least you can sell the wool and make great sweaters and socks out of it.

And I agree about bison: That's some good eating, right there. A lot like beef, only leaner. And I know a place in Maine that makes an awesome Bison jerky.

[ciderman]

I've eaten North American bison/buffalo, mmm, I like!

Alligators are only in the US I believe.
I thought so too, but had a little look about & there is also a Chinese alligator, different species though.
If this range map on Wiki is accurate,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rangemapx.gif
then the American alligator might extend its range(historically at least) into Mexico.

[crosscountry]

Man, although I like Bison Jerky, there is no decent cut IMO of a buffalo. They maximize naturally on the less tasty cuts and just don't have the red meat flavor I prefer. And, as you say, they are leaner causing much less flavor and making them tougher.

[SeanF]

A friend of mine gave his wife 2 llamas for a wedding present. Now they are getting 2 females to keep the males occupied

I don't understand it.
You don't understand how the females will keep the males occupied?

Didn't your father give you "the talk"?

;)

[Swift]

Alligators are only in the US I believe.
There are crocodiles in the very southern most part of Florida (LINK (http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/marine_wildlife/crocodile.html)).

[danscope]

Picture the scene: come to our WILDLIFE park, bring the family.

See our MAN-EATER crocodiles.

WATCH, as I make the SAVAGE ANIMAL angry, then stick my arm in it's mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4YNqf3g0W8

I live in a region full of salt-water crocs - you don't mess with them.

As I type this, a search is underway for missing fishermen..

I can't tell you how angry I am with this guy, and to think - they probably killed the animal for being unco-operative.

Hi , You are right about that fool being an idiot!!! If you take some people's brain and set it on the edge of a razor blade, ...it would look like a BB on a
super highway!!! :) Dan

[Moose]

There are crocodiles in the very southern most part of Florida (LINK (http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/marine_wildlife/crocodile.html)).

And in Lake Placid (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139414/). (*cough*)

[Swift]

I don't feel sorry for that dude. He poked a croc on the snout with a stick, and then with his hand. What the hell was he expecting when he then stuck his arm into its mouth?
When I volunteered in Jean Lafitte National Park in Louisiana I was walking down trail one day and came upon a fellow (20-something) throwing sticks and rocks at an alligator a couple of feet off the trail, minding its own businees. I asked him what he was doing, he said he wanted the gator to "do something". I asked something like bite his leg off? You just have to wonder about some people.

[crosscountry]

There are crocodiles in the very southern most part of Florida (LINK (http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/marine_wildlife/crocodile.html)).



I was talking about Alligators not Crocodiles, they're all over the world.

[crosscountry]

You don't understand how the females will keep the males occupied?

Didn't your father give you "the talk"?

;)



I think you know what I meant.

[Moose]

Hehehe, I was going to say "That's not hard", but I guess that would be inaccurate, wouldn't it?