PlanetX question...

[SpaceCurious]

This is my first time here, so forgive me if this has been asked in the past.
Is this "planet X" the same planet that they belived to exist on the far side of the sun in the late 1800's or early 1900's? I believe they called it "Vulcan" or something like that.

[Byrd]

No, it isn't, though both are fictitious.

And yes, Vulcan was one name for the supposed twin Earth. There was some mighty bad scifi written about it, too!

[Kaptain K]

Nope! Completely different (except for the fact that neither one exists :wink: ).
Go here for more info:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/nutshell.html

PS Welcome aboard! 8)

[SpaceCurious]

Just curious about that. I know that neither exist(ed), but there is so much *interesting* :lol: information on this Planet X that I couldn't help asking.

After all, if it's going to cause the planet to flip, I want to install seat belts on my sofa to prepare...

[WolfKC]

Just curious about that. I know that neither exist(ed), but there is so much *interesting* :lol: information on this Planet X that I couldn't help asking.
After all, if it's going to cause the planet to flip, I want to install seat belts on my sofa to prepare...
You missed the topic on superglueing your feet to the ground. :D

[Kaptain K]

Just curious about that. I know that neither exist(ed), but there is so much *interesting* :lol: information on this Planet X that I couldn't help asking.

After all, if it's going to cause the planet to flip, I want to install seat belts on my sofa to prepare...
If what Nancy & Co. are saying was true, seatbelts on your sofa would be the least of your worries. Remember that energy can never be created or destroyed. The rotating Earth has a [heck] of a lot of kinetic energy invested in that rotation. If it were to stop, that kinetic energy would be converted into heat. Enough heat to totally melt the crust and mantle. Back to square one. Five billion years of history gone!

[SpaceCurious]

I did miss the superglue thing... :lol:

I hadn't heard about Planet X until a few days ago until I was looking for information on pole reversal. I still don't understand how a planet could stop the earth from rotating or slow it down. I guess I'm a little slow.

I read where, if a meteorite were to hit the earth, small enough to cause minimal damage, could be large enough to cause the pole reversal.

I think that's where I became interested.

[WolfKC]

Enough heat to totally melt the crust and mantle. And I thought Elgin sausage was hot!

PS: SuperGlue (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=5555&highlight=superglue) :)

[2001Intrepid]

SpaceCurious, I'll try to keep my facts straight, or at least approximate the theories. As has been noted here before, you're probably talking of a geomagnetic pole reversal, which most likely emanates from changes in the earth's fluid core, whereby thousands of years go by and the magnetic north pole slowly changes to south pole, as evidenced by magnetic "footprints" in lava flows. A massive body, eg, planet (or asteroid?) may cause Earth to go out of kilter, though I don't know by how much. It depends on mass. A geophysicist named Peter Warnock theorized mathematically the force it would take to disrupt Earth's rotational stabilty, although his conclusions were later critcized by his peers. Nancy's improbable Planet X, according to her, will not affect the Earth *gravitationally*(ie, by mass) as would a huge mass nearing the Earth (as is plausible), but she claims it's a *magnetic* pull on the core of the Earth! From my layman's knowledge of Earth Sciences, I had always thought of this magnetic business as being a crock, even if PX did exist. Hope this clarifies for you! :)

[2001Intrepid]

Oh, and almost forgot... Although the prevailing theory of the cause of geomagnetic reversals is the Earth's fluid core, I remember reading about other theories....You mentioned an asteroid hitting the Earth, and some thought that a huge impact MAY trigger geomagnetic pole reversals, (which BTW, is NOT the Earth turning upside down in space, or a realignment /slippage of the crust a-la Nancy and others), which is unlikely and untenable. But I think an asteroid hitting the Earth is not seen as the way reversals happen, when all the research is considered.

[Grand Vizier]

This is my first time here, so forgive me if this has been asked in the past.
Is this "planet X" the same planet that they belived to exist on the far side of the sun in the late 1800's or early 1900's? I believe they called it "Vulcan" or something like that.

Welcome to the BB. Other posters are correct in that neither Vulcan nor the 'twin earth' are what is being proposed by Planet X cultists. However they are two quite different things...

Vulcan was a proposed planet orbiting inside the orbit of Mercury. It was put forward in the 19th century by Le Verrier (co-discoverer of Neptune) to explain anomalies in the orbit of Mercury. It wasn't found, and the anomalies were later explained by Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, but it is thought that there may be a small population of asteroids termed vulcanoids orbiting close in.

See: http://www.ldolphin.org/unruh/vulcan.html

The idea of a 'planet on the other side of the sun' is far older than Vulcan - it actually was Planet X for the ancient Greek Pythagoreans. It was known as the 'Counter-Earth' or antichthon and they threw it in to make up the numbers to a neat ten.

Unfortunately, a large body in such an orbital slot would not stay there, no matter how carefully balanced at the outset. Eventually it would have collided with the Earth or been perturbed into a new orbit - but the Greeks had no knowledge of orbital mechanics.

from http://www.nd.edu/Departments/Maritain/etext/hop02.htm...

3. To cosmology. Not only is each body a number, but the entire universe is an arrangement of numbers, the basis of which is the perfect number, ten. For the universe consists of ten bodies, -- the five planets, the sun, the moon, the heaven of the fixed stars, the earth, and the counter-earth (antichthôn). The earth is a sphere; the counter-earth, which is postulated in order to fill up the number ten, is also a sphere, and moves parallel to the earth. [...]

[SpaceCurious]

Thank you for all the info. Very interesting.

As for the Planet X-ers...I feel that they are nothing more than new age Edgar Cayce's and Nostrodomas' who haven't anything better to do with their time. But I suppose it takes all kinds to make the world go round... upside down or otherwise... :D

But if it weren't for doomsayers such as them, perhaps there wouldn't be a site like this...and that WOULD be a shame!

[JamesofDevonshire]

I think its possible PX can exist. Since the universe is larger than we can comprehend, and the fact we know relatively **** about it, it seems foolish and arrogant to say for certain something does not exist out there.

Keep your mind open not closed.

I say that given the lack of evidence, planet X is likely to not be within the inner solar system at this time. It's also possible that it may not even exist, since there is no scientific evidence for its existence anywhere. There is a slight possibility that its hidden by another object or is beyond visual range since many objects are found by the NEAT program.

[Eric Carlson]

It was suggested that Planet X might actually exist. Well, it depends on what counts as Planet X. It is not plausible that there was ever any object that corresponds to Sitchin's claims, assuming I understand them.

It is quite possible that there is another planet out there. Indeed, I think in the Kuiper belt we will eventually find some object comparable to or even bigger than Pluto. Whether it counts as Planet X depends on how broadly you define such a thing.

It is not really plausible that Planet X could be hiding behind anything. Space is too empty to keep such an object hidden for long. It is also extremely unlikely that Planet X could have some highly elliptical orbit that brings it into the inner solar system with some consistent period. SUch orbits are highly unstable.