Malarky!

[Palomar]

I believe I'm rather fair as gender issues go, but this sort of thing does irk me:

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/07...hotflashes.html (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/070426_men_hotflashes.html)

Men can have hot flashes too. Well of course! It's male menopause. Never had 1 single "fun" menstrual period, but can have menopause. Just like men can have sympathetic labor pains, etc. Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:

I'm surprised men don't also have sympathetic ovulation pains. We'll be reading about that next.

Yes, men can have all the symptoms of menstrual cycles, pregnancy, labor and delivery -- sans the organs necessary for that. Or the continual mess and inconvenience of certain functions.

Funny, we never read about women having sympathetic prostate gland problems. :rolleyes: I've never had sympathetic "kicked in the testicles" pains.

Another thing which always gets me: "We're pregnant."

WE are??

Women who say that are dumb.

I once read that the male psyche is inordinately jealous of a woman's ability to carry and bear young. I'm beginning to seriously wonder if that is true. :rolleyes:

[NEOWatcher]

Men can have hot flashes too. Well of course! It's male menopause.
Not only that, but they are talking about a procedure that I'd rather not discuss.
Drastic procedures cause drastic issues...need we say more?
Yes, men can have all the symptoms of menstrual cycles, pregnancy, labor and delivery -- sans the organs necessary for that.
Because it is caused by chemistry... I agree. It's just that the cause may be different.

I've never had sympathetic "kicked in the testicles" pains.
I wouldn't suggest that.

[Celestial Mechanic]

[Snip!] I once read that the male psyche is inordinately jealous of a woman's ability to carry and bear young. [Snip!]
This is sometimes referred to as "Venus Envy", a play on the words of a Freudian concept that I'd best not name here. :whistle:

(Hint: It rhymes with Venus Envy.) :D

[weatherc]

This is sometimes referred to as "Venus Envy", a play on the words of a Freudian concept that I'd best not name here. :whistle:

(Hint: It rhymes with Venus Envy.) :DIs it Pianist Envy? You know, when the trombonist wants to date the cellist but then the cellist goes out with the pianist instead?

No, it's not that either?

[One Skunk Todd]

Just like men can have sympathetic labor pains, etc. Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:

They're called kidney stones. And just wait until one gets stuck and blocks your ureter. :)

[Christopher Ferro]

This
I believe I'm rather fair as gender issues go

and

WE are??

Women who say that are dumb.

Seem somewhat contradictory to me. When women say "We" are pregnant, I don't think most people in their right minds are suggesting that the man is carrying the child to term. It's generally meant as a way to affirm that the relationship and the pregnancy are the result and responsibility of both parties.

...'sides, you just called my mom dumb, as she's used that phrase when she was pregnant with me and my sibs. ;)

CJSF

[Fazor]

Is it Pianist Envy? You know, when the trombonist wants to date the cellist but then the cellist goes out with the pianist instead?

No, it's not that either?

Ha! I thought I was the only one here capable of such bizaar explanations (aside from some who populate the ATM/CT sections, that is :whistle: ). Bravo!

[springa]

Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if men can have some of the symptoms of menopause if they have comparable hormonal changes.

[SockMonkey]

Having seen a video clip or two of what childbirth is like, I can state without reservation that I am not jealous.

Very,very, not jealous.

(shudder)

[Gillianren]

Having seen a video clip or two of what childbirth is like, I can state without reservation that I am not jealous.

Very,very, not jealous.

(shudder)

Childbirth was a worthwhile experience in that I'm glad to have my daughter. And I plan to go through it twice more. However, I don't ever, ever, ever plan to say that "we" are pregnant. I'll be doing all the heavy lifting, as it were.

[Maksutov]

I believe I'm rather fair as gender issues go, but this sort of thing does irk me:

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/07...hotflashes.html (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/070426_men_hotflashes.html)

Men can have hot flashes too. Well of course! It's male menopause. Never had 1 single "fun" menstrual period, but can have menopause. Just like men can have sympathetic labor pains, etc. Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:

I'm surprised men don't also have sympathetic ovulation pains. We'll be reading about that next.

Yes, men can have all the symptoms of menstrual cycles, pregnancy, labor and delivery -- sans the organs necessary for that. Or the continual mess and inconvenience of certain functions.

Funny, we never read about women having sympathetic prostate gland problems. :rolleyes: I've never had sympathetic "kicked in the testicles" pains.Not sure why all the consternation. So some men, when their normal hormones are superseded by artificially introduced ones, show some unusual symptoms. What's the big deal?Another thing which always gets me: "We're pregnant."

WE are??

Women who say that are dumb.Uh, please cool it with the blanket condemnations.

When a woman is pregnant she has another human being growing within her. Thus the "we".I once read that the male psyche is inordinately jealous of a woman's ability to carry and bear young. I'm beginning to seriously wonder if that is true. :rolleyes:How have your wife and children reacted to your opinions about this?

[Moose]

I believe I'm rather fair as gender issues go,

Perhaps, but IMO you'll want to work on it some more.

Men can have hot flashes too. Well of course! It's male menopause. Never had 1 single "fun" menstrual period, but can have menopause. Just like men can have sympathetic labor pains, etc. Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:

Menopause in women is an alteration of their hormonal regulatory cycle. Men also have a hormonal regulatory cycle that undergoes a similar alteration at about the same point in their lifetime.

While our body chemistry is somewhat gender-differentiated, they both operate from the same basic "plans". The major difference is in the organs subject to this chemical regulation. For women, the cycle is a critical part of the reproductive process. For men, it's just about vestigial.

So when men experience menopause, very few effects (if any) are noticable outside of a controlled study environment. But they're still there.

[mugaliens]

Wow. Where in the world did all this anger come from???

I believe I'm rather fair as gender issues go...

Would you mind terribly much if we form our own opinions about that?

...but this sort of thing does irk me:

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/07...hotflashes.html (http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/070426_men_hotflashes.html)

Men can have hot flashes too. Well of course! It's male menopause.

Correct. I've had it. Caused by fluctuating levels of testosterone.

Never had 1 single "fun" menstrual period, but can have menopause. Just like men can have sympathetic labor pains, etc. Riiiiiight. :rolleyes:

Nope, never had sympathetic labor pains, and I was there every second of the nearly twenty hours of labor and delivery.

I'm surprised men don't also have sympathetic ovulation pains. We'll be reading about that next.

We will?

Yes, men can have all the symptoms of menstrual cycles, pregnancy, labor and delivery -- sans the organs necessary for that.

They can? Gee, I've not experienced that...

Funny, we never read about women having sympathetic prostate gland problems. :rolleyes:

Yeah, funny...

:confused:

...but without corresponding equipment, it's rather unlikely, wouldn't you think? In contrast, male menopause has to do with fluctuating male hormones, as we do possess equipment that corresponds to the source of female hot flashes.

I've never had sympathetic "kicked in the testicles" pains.

Was that a common occurrence for your husband or significant other?

Another thing which always gets me: "We're pregnant." WE are??

Women who say that are dumb.

That's a rather insulting thing to say to all the women who feel well-connected enough to their husbands that they truly feel as one with them.

I once read that the male psyche is inordinately jealous of a woman's ability to carry and bear young. I'm beginning to seriously wonder if that is true. :rolleyes:

You really think this is true? Is this the real reason behind your continuous rolling of your eyes?

I find it strange that in all my years of having some very deep, heart-to-heart talk with other males, I've never once heard any of them mention this hidden fantasy to which you allude.

I have, however, heard them say on many occasions how proud they are of their wives who went through their pregnancies with confidence, determination, or simply perseverance, or how proud they are of being fathers to their children.

But I'm really at a loss as to the underlying motivation of your comments.

[Celestial Mechanic]

[Snip!] So when men experience menopause, very few effects (if any) are noticable outside of a controlled study environment. But they're still there.
Sports car dealers count on this! ;)

[Gillianren]

When a woman is pregnant she has another human being growing within her. Thus the "we".

That's still not how the term is used; it's used to connect to the husband/boyfriend. I don't like it, either; it irritates me deeply. However, I'm not all that angry about it. I have better sexual injustices to spend my energy on.

[Doodler]

I once read that the male psyche is inordinately jealous of a woman's ability to carry and bear young. I'm beginning to seriously wonder if that is true. :rolleyes:

Probably some feminist. I quit drinking because the urge to pee every ten minutes and periodic fits of vomiting were more than I cared to deal with. Add to that issues with weight, and I'm really not overly impressed by pregnancy, truth be told.

[mugaliens]

Probably some feminist. I quit drinking because the urge to pee every ten minutes and periodic fits of vomiting were more than I cared to deal with. Add to that issues with weight, and I'm really not overly impressed by pregnancy, truth be told.

Strangely, I somewhat resemble some issues raised by your comment.

Perhaps that's why I punish myself by bicycling 13 miles to and from work each day up and down steep hills.

It's a sympathetic pain that, like childbirth, helps shed the pounds.

[LurchGS]

I'm not in the least bit jealous of child bearing. I was *present* for the birth of both of my boys, and I got to do keen things like cut the cord, etc. I'm glad I did it.

To this day, though, I'm amazed that any woman would willingly go through that twice. Whether I loved her or not, I owe her a tremendous debt for going through that. So, I've not strangled the little monsters. Yet.