precious princess

[publius]

There is a certain precious princess whose name I won't utter who just got out of jail free. Seems the county jail wasn't able to keep the poor thing up to the standards she was accustomed, so she's gets to go home.

"Medical condition"...........seems her $$$ pychiastrist said the poor thing was about to have a breakdown (she didn't have a pillow for her precious little head, I understand), and they bought it. Well, if she was, put her in the pycho wing with the rest of the regular nuts who don't get any such breaks............this just makes me sick.

And I'm actually wondering if some money or other favors or promises of same actually passed hands here....... Some of the usual suspects are harping about this, and this time I completely agree with them.

-Richard

[Doodler]

Deer paris,

plz make moar pr0n..

kthnx

ur fanz.


Most intelligent response I can muster at this point.

[davidlpf]

Oh I wonder who you a are talking about, would it be the dimmest object found. On the CBC there is show called the Hour, they vowed no more stories about this person I wonder if they will keep that promise tonight.

[korjik]

There is a certain precious princess whose name I won't utter who just got out of jail free. Seems the county jail wasn't able to keep the poor thing up to the standards she was accustomed, so she's gets to go home.

"Medical condition"...........seems her $$$ pychiastrist said the poor thing was about to have a breakdown (she didn't have a pillow for her precious little head, I understand), and they bought it. Well, if she was, put her in the pycho wing with the rest of the regular nuts who don't get any such breaks............this just makes me sick.

And I'm actually wondering if some money or other favors or promises of same actually passed hands here....... Some of the usual suspects are harping about this, and this time I completely agree with them.

-Richard

Since I thought that the whole going to jail thing was a publicity stunt in the first place, this dosent suprise me.

one of our local talk radio guys had a poll as to wether 'she who must not be named' was breaking news this morning. 86% said no. Not the most unbiased place, but still, why is she news?!

[publius]

Since I thought that the whole going to jail thing was a publicity stunt in the first place, this dosent suprise me.

one of our local talk radio guys had a poll as to wether 'she who must not be named' was breaking news this morning. 86% said no. Not the most unbiased place, but still, why is she news?!

Letting her off is indeed news. Not her for her precious little self mind you, but the jail/sheriff/whoever is resposible for letting her off like this. From what I just read, the judge and the prosecutor don't like this one bit. They need to get to the bottom of just how this stunt was pulled.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if some bribery was involved. If they were smart, it might be hard to trace, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

-Richard

[Peter Wilson]

An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth. But if a rich woman... (with apologies)

I'm just saying, privilege for the privileged goes way back ;)

[Doctor Know]

What really infuriates me is that this celebrity tripe was the subject of a "breaking news bulletin" on the radio this morning. Using the same format they used to use for real news stories like terrorist attacks or natural disasters. Couldn't it have waited until the top of the hour like the more mundane news? You know the media machine is in serious credibilty decline when they decide the release of some vapid heiress brat is worth breaking into the regular broadcast to inform you about. I don't care about Paris, but they're gonna see that I do. :doh:

[publius]

Well, well. The judge who sentenced her is not happy with this. Not happy at all. He's ordered them to bring Little Miss Muffet before him tomorrow at 9AM, so he can see for himself about her delicate condition, whatever it is.

And -- and this just warms the cockles of my heart -- he's thinking about holding the sheriff *in contempt of court* for releasing her. Yes, that judge is not happy at all.

-Richard

[Occam]

No big surprise, though, is it? At least she did three days and now has a record. That's 300% more than OJ Simpson got... or Michael (I Looooove children) Jackson

[Doodler]

5 days

[Occam]

5 days

Three days
http://www.localnewswatch.com/benton/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=120182
Although Hilton spent only three days in jail, she was credited for five because she checked in late Sunday and left early Thursday.

But who's counting?

[sarongsong]

Had she been a "regular citizen" and showed up for jail with no accompanying fanfare or dramatics, the Sheriff would have quietly sent her on her way (home) just for showing up as ordered by the judge; no monitoring bracelet, nothing. Happens all the time in L.A.---overflowing jails have been a problem for years.

[NASA Fan]

The one article I read, mentioned that she would have to wear an ankle bracelet.

How long before it is taken off because it chafes her ankle, or because it clashes with her outfit and since she is a "celebrity" her so called good looks are her trademark.

The article I read suggested that she will have Tiffany's make special jewel encrusted one. I really enjoyed the cynical attitude of the article, as I am sick and tired of her, and people fawning over her, as if she had done anything worthwhile.

I wonder if she understands that house arrest means that she is not allowed to leave her estate, or if her publicist tells her that she can go anywhere she wants to.

If having your licence suspended means that you can drive, that you just don't have your licence, no telling what house arrest means. Maybe it means that if the house does something illigal, the house will be arrested?

[publius]

This is just getting good:

http://www.usmagazine.com/paris_hiltons_brain_freed_her_from_jail

I heard that on Greasy Greta Van Cistern, and finally found it online.

"...facility medical staff could not administer her prescribed dosage of medication." That's interesting (if this is accurate). She's apparently got some high dollar psychiatrist to the stars, whom we can assume has her on all sorts of stuff (in addition to all the other stuff she's probably self-medicating with under the table).

"Could not administer". That just doesn't make sense unless the good Dr. had her on such a high dosage or combination that was against state guidelines.

This is a load of crap, and I hope some heads roll for this. I saw a mug shot of the LA county sheriff on TV. Tell me something. The guy had 5-stars on his lapel, and I've seen other sheriffs and police chiefs wearing 5-stars (4 is too many -- maybe 1 if they have to wear them. Me, were I a sheriff, in deference to the notion of posse commitatus, I wouldn't be wearing any stars as I would be an elected official, not a military officer).

Where in the heck do these guys get off thinking they're Eisenhower or MacArthur or Nimitz, etc?

-Richard

[Gillianren]

Oh I wonder who you a are talking about, would it be the dimmest object found. On the CBC there is show called the Hour, they vowed no more stories about this person I wonder if they will keep that promise tonight.

The Daily Show chose not to discuss the subject tonight. Because she's not news. She's a spoiled heiress; the country's full of those.

[sarongsong]

Sheriffs can have a significant amount of "juice":...In the United States a sheriff is generally (but not always) the highest, usually elected, law enforcement officer of a county. The political election of a person to serve as a police leader is an almost uniquely American tradition...wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriff)especially L.A.'s:...The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department [~11,000] is the second-largest law enforcement agency in the United States (second only to the New York Police Department). It provides sheriff services to California's most populous county as well as municipal police services to many of the county's cities...
allstates-flag (http://www.allstates-flag.com/fotw/flags/us-calac.html#lasd)

[Michael Noonan]

Given that this is a media release regarding a young lady who has initially surprised me with her ability to find a solution outside the square. It showed brilliant judgement.

I will admit I expected one of two outcomes, one arrive on time at the right place and cause the expected sensation, two ignore the system as not important.

The answer was neither, by arriving early at a better choice of location it obeyed the spirit of the law and the letter, I was impressed.

Now we have a new media release and this is exactly why I will reserve judgement. The media is there to report. A media story is just that a story designed to sell their product. The method reporters use is to ask questions and make observations. Fair enough? Well no, they are a false authority demanding answers to their questions and yet give a story whereby they are under no obligation to print the answers given or the facts. They are there to get a story.

It is a fact that people can be pushed to do anything given the use of overwhelming authority, torture studies by the CIA have proven that. So it is necessary to examine why anyone should give an answer to a reporter when the media is not obliged to report them, why because then it would be a documentary and not a story.

I had decided my car needed a name that reflected my delight that it the car surprised me. I have named my car after this person as it (the car) of a similar vintage and being a vehicle that I was prepared to give up on until it started to run beautifully (although still a bit rich) it just seemed appropriate. I now hope that this confidence is not misguided.

[NEOWatcher]

I've just got one question.

What kind of medical condition can only be handled at home?
Not a medical ward, not a hospital, not an attending physician, and I'm sure there are other options.

Regardless of the validity, the sheriff defied orders by not contacting the court.

[farmerjumperdon]

Since I thought that the whole going to jail thing was a publicity stunt in the first place, this dosent suprise me.

one of our local talk radio guys had a poll as to wether 'she who must not be named' was breaking news this morning. 86% said no. Not the most unbiased place, but still, why is she news?!

Because America's favorite pasttime is living vicariously thru others. Whether it be the trailer-trash lowlife that appear on Springer, the fake court shows and what not; or the glamourous lowlife that populate E! (Don't get me started on the whiny super heroes who play children's games for millions and occasionally complain about not making ends meet). If I were religious, I'd pray to my God that my kids never look to any of these losers as examples of effective living.

I can't decide whether the media is at least partially at fault for spoon feeding this pablum to the public, or whether they are just giving the slovenly masses what they want. It's really hard to tell if they are just supplying the demand or creating it.

Sometimes I really worry about our species.

[Noclevername]

Her "trauma" in jail was that she couldn't have cameras on her 24/7. She's suffering from Attention Withdrawal.

[Doodler]

Her "trauma" in jail was that she couldn't have cameras on her 24/7. She's suffering from Attention Withdrawal.

You do realize most jails are CCTV monitored... She's probably never had so many cameras on her at once.

[Noclevername]

You do realize most jails are CCTV monitored...


My bad, I meant "cameras without some airhead with a microphone in front of them asking her about her outfit".

She's probably never had so many cameras on her at once.
The room would need walls, ceilings and floors made entirely of cameras for that to be true!

[Peter Wilson]

You do realize most jails are CCTV monitored... She's probably never had so many cameras on her at once....but the make-up rooms to get ready for the cameras are not exactly 5-star.

[Fazor]

The guy had 5-stars on his lapel, and I've seen other sheriffs and police chiefs wearing 5-stars (4 is too many -- maybe 1 if they have to wear them. Me, were I a sheriff, in deference to the notion of posse commitatus, I wouldn't be wearing any stars as I would be an elected official, not a military officer).

Where in the heck do these guys get off thinking they're Eisenhower or MacArthur or Nimitz, etc?

-Richard

Interesting rant. It's just a uniform. You're elected but you still hold rank in the department. It is my humble opinion that Sheriff's and police chiefs are oft some of the worst officers among the group (largely because they are elected based on political ties more than for their actual accomplishments). But I've never heard one claim that they were equal to a five-star military general.

I wore Sergeant stripes for a while, because that's what I was in my department. Never once did I think I was equal (in rank) as a military Sergeant. It's a thing of pride among your department, not meant to be compared to military prowess.

[NEOWatcher]

And a reporter gets hit by the car taking her to her hearing.
It was live on msnbc, so I'm not sure if it's still available.

Mob of reporters, cops saying "GET BACK" repeatedly. Poor reporter broke his microphone.

It just looked like a whole lot of Sibrels looking for something like that to happen.

The worst part was the cop apologised and offered to take him to the hospital. He should have been arrested and taken to jail for obstructing justice.

Edit: Its on our local station (http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=69321)... the incident is about 1:50 in to it. And of course they don't show the non-eventfull aftermath.

[publius]

But I've never heard one claim that they were equal to a five-star military general.



Then why go off prancing around wearing 5 stars on your lapel, and "scrambled eggs" and all that brassy stuff like you think you're some Douglas MacArthur? MacArthur himself was a prima donna, but heck he did something to deserve it, like command millions, and competently.

Now that I'm thinking about this, this happened in some county in Georgia, where the Sheriff started wearing 5-stars a while back. It didn't go over too well.

[Kullat Nunu]

Apparently there is still some justice left in the world (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6735631.stm)...

Celebrity heiress [expletive deleted] has been taken screaming from a Los Angeles court after being told to return to jail to serve out her sentence.

[Moose]

I believe I'm experiencing severe schadenfreude. I believe I will smirk enigmatically until it passes.

[Fazor]

Then why go off prancing around wearing 5 stars on your lapel, and "scrambled eggs" and all that brassy stuff like you think you're some Douglas MacArthur? MacArthur himself was a prima donna, but heck he did something to deserve it, like command millions, and competently.

Now that I'm thinking about this, this happened in some county in Georgia, where the Sheriff started wearing 5-stars a while back. It didn't go over too well.

Because it denotes rank among the department. Whether they deserve it or not (matter of personal opinion), any given Sheriff holds rank above the deputies beneath him. Some departments use bars. Some use stars. Medals are also earned by officers, who believe it or not do preform heroic acts even if not in military capacity. In a large department, you're going to have more ranks that require the use of a larger bank of symbols. Why the same ones the military uses? Because, like it or not, the American police force is a very militaristic organization. That's the nature of policing in any given country.

You can pick on him all you want for his (rather poor, IMHO) decision to let a certain someone off her already lenient sentence. But as far as the brass, that's just tradition, the same as it is in military.

[Larry Jacks]

I always found it amusing that police departments are the only place where one has to be an officer before having a chance to get promoted to sergeant.

As for what's her name, boo hoo.

[Doodler]

Apparently there is still some justice left in the world (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6735631.stm)...

Nah, this isn't justice. Its revenge. The peons are being appeased with an easy target to be made an example of.

The DUI conviction should have been harsher initially, because its not what she's being locked up for here.

I've been convicted of driving on a suspended license (also 75 in a 55 when I was caught), and walked away with a $500 fine plus court costs.

I'm not overly impressed here.

[Van Rijn]

After the publicity of this fiasco, I think it was pretty much a given that she was going back. The funny thing was listening to an announcement on the radio. Someone (I think an official of some sort, didn't catch it) starts with "I have some juicy stuff for you" when he apparently didn't realize they were on the air. Then he starts talking much more carefully when they tell him they're live. Soon after his statement that Hotel was going back to the LA county hotel, some man screams "NO! NO! NO!" Yes, folks, there are actually people that think this isn't a good thing.

[Moose]

I've been convicted of driving on a suspended license (also 75 in a 55 when I was caught), and walked away with a $500 fine plus court costs.

Twice? While on probation for a DUI? Did you then claim "nobody told you that you couldn't drive?"

Apparently she could have gotten six months.

[NEOWatcher]

Twice? While on probation for a DUI? Did you then claim "nobody told you that you couldn't drive?"

Apparently she could have gotten six months.
Kind of what I was thinking... but my thoughts were more that attitude during arrest and trial have a lot to do with the sentence sometimes.

[Van Rijn]

Kind of what I was thinking... but my thoughts were more that attitude during arrest and trial have a lot to do with the sentence sometimes.

Hence one of the more important rules: Don't tick off the judge (or police officer).

[Doodler]

Heh, people amuse me. She's actually getting a far steeper sentence than someone like the rest of us non-celebs would get.

I was in a nearly identical situation, sitting in front of a judge on a suspended license violation, and walked away with a $500 fine and some points.

Initial suspension was a speeding PBJ slip that had me miss a deadline to get a class for the original sentence taken care of, and the pull over that got me was another speeding ticket.

Yet, here I am, six years later, never a pair of handcuffs have I worn. And y'all think I'm a cruel one.

[Fazor]

We've had clients who were taken away in cuffs just for driving without insurance. So ....jeeze that's the sixth fire engine to fly past in the last 2 mintes (sorry, I'm easily distractable)....anyway traffic court sentence varries relatively widely, as sentancing guidlines allow for more discression than say, attempted murder or manslaughter.

But as noted, her attitude towards officers and judges probably played a big role in this case. And it should have. I'm not saying judges are supreme rulers to whom you must avert your eyes and end each sentance with "sir". But people like her need to be taught that there's people and places where at least some degree of respect must be paid, no matter how much money daddy has.

[Moose]

Doodler, let me spell this out again.

PH got a DUI. While on probation, she was caught driving with a suspended license. She then got caught driving with a suspended license again. I don't know how it is in your neck of the woods, but here, most folks don't get multiple chances to violate probation. She was eligible to get six months in prison. She got 45 [days, important detail], which was reduced to 23 days for showing up to court. This after both her and her Mom were very nearly both charged with contempt of court for being... well, themselves.

The sheriff then violated the judges order who said quite explicitly she wasn't eligible for home arrest (which would have been a meaningless sentence anyway.)

She did not "get made an example of", nor is she (apparently) getting off easy. She's getting sharply reminded the rules apply to her too.

[tofu]

any given Sheriff holds rank above the deputies beneath him.

here's the dude in question (http://www.lasd.org/_lasd-images/exec_photos/BACA8X10T2-COPY.jpg)

ok, so he's got five stars. There should be at least two people out there wearing four stars. Each of those guys should have at least two people that work for them who wear three stars. There should be people with two stars and people with one star.

What are the jobs that all those people's do? I suspect that all those people don't actually exist. I think there are some LTs and CPTs and then this guy with his five stars.

[Kullat Nunu]

Nah, this isn't justice. Its revenge. The peons are being appeased with an easy target to be made an example of.

The DUI conviction should have been harsher initially, because its not what she's being locked up for here.

I've been convicted of driving on a suspended license (also 75 in a 55 when I was caught), and walked away with a $500 fine plus court costs.

I'm not overly impressed here.

Driving under influence is like shooting into a sparse crowd without aiming; it's unlikely you hit anyone, but if you do... I have nothing but contempt for people who do that.

[Kullat Nunu]

DPH got a DUI. While on probation, she was caught driving with a suspended license. She then got caught driving with a suspended license again. I don't know how it is in your neck of the woods, but here, most folks don't get multiple chances to violate probation. She was eligible to get six months in prison. She got 45 [days, important detail], which was reduced to 23 days for showing up to court. This after both her and her Mom were very nearly both charged with contempt of court for being... well, themselves.

Apparently she will serve the full 45 days.

[Paracelsus]

Yup, there is something on Yahoo! News about Little Miss Paris going back to the slammer.

[davidlpf]

The Daily Show chose not to discuss the subject tonight. Because she's not news. She's a spoiled heiress; the country's full of those.
The Hour did not mention her either, saw The Daily Show too.

[Doodler]

Doodler, let me spell this out again.

PH got a DUI. While on probation, she was caught driving with a suspended license. She then got caught driving with a suspended license again. I don't know how it is in your neck of the woods, but here, most folks don't get multiple chances to violate probation. She was eligible to get six months in prison. She got 45 [days, important detail], which was reduced to 23 days for showing up to court. This after both her and her Mom were very nearly both charged with contempt of court for being... well, themselves.

The sheriff then violated the judges order who said quite explicitly she wasn't eligible for home arrest (which would have been a meaningless sentence anyway.)

She did not "get made an example of", nor is she (apparently) getting off easy. She's getting sharply reminded the rules apply to her too.


Warnings are not tickets. Discretionary release by the officer on scene. If she had to get caught twice, then doom on the cop who didn't ticket her the first time.

Again, what she's getting is a lot steeper than normal. To be imprisoned at all for this offense is extraordinary, particularly with no previous criminal record. ESPECIALLY with no previous criminal record.

As for the Sheriff releasing her to home arrest, the arguement has been made that sheriffs have that authority. The impression I'm getting is that the sheriff was probably wonder why the hell she was wasting his prison cell.

[publius]

here's the dude in question (http://www.lasd.org/_lasd-images/exec_photos/BACA8X10T2-COPY.jpg)

ok, so he's got five stars. There should be at least two people out there wearing four stars. Each of those guys should have at least two people that work for them who wear three stars. There should be people with two stars and people with one star.

What are the jobs that all those people's do? I suspect that all those people don't actually exist. I think there are some LTs and CPTs and then this guy with his five stars.

The entire US military is not currently big enough to have a single 5-star general........ The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is a 4-star, as are the "combatant commanders" or whatever they call them now. They rearranged things after 9/11 somewhat.

George Washington never wore more than 3-stars. His rank at his death was simply Lt. General. :) That changed in 1976, as part of the bicentennial celebration. His rank is now "General of the Armies of the United States", which could be considered a "6-star" rank, but no insignia has ever been officially designated. This rank (along with the naval version, Admiral of the Navy -- note the singular. It's confusing as the 5-star naval rank is "Fleet Admiral" ).

Gen. "Black Jack" Pershing was the only one to hold this rank while alive, and he never wore more than 4 stars. The 5-star rank, General of the Army, and Fleet Admiral, was created during WWII and was specified to be under the previous "General of the Armies", that Pershing held. Adm. Dewey is the only one to hold the naval Admiral of the Navy.

In 1976 they decided it was just wrong for anyone to outrank Washington, so they promoted him posthumously. :) And they even went further and declared that no officer shall ever outrank Washington. So, apparently if they ever created a higher rank, he would be automatically promoted. :lol:

Now, in preparation for the forthcoming invasion of Japan, which would've have been the biggest operation ever, with more men and equipment than anything to date, they were considering promoting MacArthur and Nimitz to the "6-star" rank. They was some talk of the insignia. But, the atomic bomb rendered that moot.

Anyway, if George Washington never wore more than 3 stars, then no podunk sheriff need even think about it.

-Richard

[Doodler]

Driving under influence is like shooting into a sparse crowd without aiming; it's unlikely you hit anyone, but if you do... I have nothing but contempt for people who do that.

The offense in question is violating probation, not the DUI. For this to have ANYTHING to do with the DUI conviction, it would be hurled from the docket with extreme prejudice as double jeopardy.

[publius]

Actually, I probably shouldn't have mentioned the "6-star" rank. Some sheriff or police chief will probably add one more star if he learned it exists........

-Richard

[Swift]

Soon after his statement that Hotel was going back to the LA county hotel, some man screams "NO! NO! NO!" Yes, folks, there are actually people that think this isn't a good thing.
Sure, the other prisoners in the jail who have to put up with whinny pants for 45 days. Locked up with Paris, talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

[davidlpf]

Sure, the other prisoners in the jail who have to put up with whinny pants for 45 days. Locked up with Paris, talk about cruel and unusual punishment.
They should get credit for 2 days, every day shes there.

[Gillianren]

Soon after his statement that Hotel was going back to the LA county hotel, some man screams "NO! NO! NO!" Yes, folks, there are actually people that think this isn't a good thing.

The best part of that (which I saw as well) was the other person in the crowd who yelled back, "Oh, shut up!"

To my delight, CNN actually showed a shuttle launch today. (I missed it, because I was out running errands, but I saw that they were going to, and it gave me joy.) They also showed some real news--other real news, considering the launch as real news. Now, that's worth talking about.

[NASA Fan]

...
I was in a nearly identical situation, sitting in front of a judge on a suspended license violation, and walked away with a $500 fine and some points.


I don't know you, so I may be wrong about this, but I would imagine that a $500 fine probably is alot more costly to you than it is to her. She probably spent more than that booze in one week.

A $500 fine to her would be what a 10 Cent library fine is to me-nothing that I cannot spare.

[publius]

I don't know you, so I may be wrong about this, but I would imagine that a $500 fine probably is alot more costly to you than it is to her. She probably spent more than that booze in one week.

A $500 fine to her would be what a 10 Cent library fine is to me-nothing that I cannot spare.

I was listening to some legal experts argue this back and forth. A contigent of defense lawyers are making Doodler's argument, that contrary to public opinion, Little Miss is actually being treated much harsher than Jolene Sixpack, to make an example, serve her up to the public, etc, etc.

However, under "cross examination" they were forced to admit that her sentence was well within the bounds a judge may exercise, and yes, they knew of cases where people were thrown in jail for 30 days for the same offenses. And in those cases, they were showing some attitude, etc.

So, Little Miss pretty much got what happens when you try to show your rear end to a judge. If you recall, her mother (Big Miss?) shouted some insults at the judge when he gave correction to Little Miss. Just look at the mother and that will explain everything about Little Miss' attitude. She was just thinking she was above it all, and didn't appreciate how serious things were. Why, her publicist didn't read the terms of probation to her, she didn't know about her license because she had people who took care of that for her, etc.

Now, I noticed last night that Leno and Letterman really were showing their teeth. While they rip everybody without mercy, their teeth were showing last night. And they sort of have their finger on the pulse of the country there. Me, when I head the judge had sent her bony little hind end back to jail, I took great delight. And logging on to the internet, when I saw that picture of her in the car crying her little eyes out, I just loved it. Wooo-hoo!

Now, is that as Doodler says the peons demanding her head for their amusement? Well, yes, but there's a reason. For years, we've been watching celebrities acting like spoiled brats and getting away with murder (literally in the case of OJ). All sort of high $$$ lawyers and pyschiatrists making all sorts of bogus arguments to get 'em off the hook.

And Little Miss just happens to be a perfect poster girl for the spoiled brat celebrity. And it looked like, finally, one of 'em was going to get a little of what she deserved. But yet, everyone suspected they were going to let her off.

And 5-star Sheriff Braca, with a lame excuse, did just that, let her off. And that just started the frenzy. People are finally getting enough of these spoiled brats getting away with everything.

And that's why Little Miss gets carted off crying and pitching a hissy.

-Richard

[Maksutov]

All I know (or want to know) about this I learned from The Daily Show, which declined to cover it. :clap:

As for the other media outlets it's a fine example of the content they now provide, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Can't believe this thread blossomed out to two pages. I'm thinking about deleting this post.

[surfin' cow]

I've just got one question.

What kind of medical condition can only be handled at home?


I know. She's allergic to accountability.

[Jens]

So, Little Miss pretty much got what happens when you try to show your rear end to a judge. If you recall, her mother (Big Miss?) shouted some insults at the judge when he gave correction to Little Miss.

Well, that's probably the whole thing. It doesn't really matter how she behaved before the judge. She was judged in advance, thanks to her public personality. I guess the fairest way to look at it is that she gets a lot of benefits from her public personality, but in this case she might have gotten something bad for it. It's nothing new, really. JFJ obviously got a lot of benefits from his public persona, but he got a really bad thing as well. I don't think that celebrity is an entirely good or bad thing for the individual. If it were all good, you wouldn't get all the suicides, self-destructive behavior, etc. If it were all bad, nobody would do it.

[Doodler]

I don't know you, so I may be wrong about this, but I would imagine that a $500 fine probably is alot more costly to you than it is to her. She probably spent more than that booze in one week.

A $500 fine to her would be what a 10 Cent library fine is to me-nothing that I cannot spare.

Scalable justice? So much for equity under the law.

You do realize the hypcritical position you've taken here? You're saying the we should turn the concept of the punishment fitting the crime to the punishment fitting the criminal. A textbook double standard.

[Palomar]

I'm not a fan of "the princess," but must admit I don't understand why she now must serve the entire 45 days. Seems they're now punishing her for the actions of "law enforcement" officials.

I can understand returning her to jail to continue serving the reduced [23 days?] sentence on which she was released. But to now demand she serve the full 45 days is a bit malicious and is punishing her for others' irresponsibility.

Likely she had no clue what was going on; was told she could go home on house arrest and of course she took it.

She'll never live down the "crying in the cop car" photo or crying out for her mother; entertainment venues will have a field day with that for years to come. :-\

I will give her credit in 1 regard: She was willing to go to regular jail, not "pay jail" which many celebrities can and DO opt for.

And it's easy for us who haven't had years of immense wealth, privilege and being spoiled to put her down. How different would any of us be if our last name were "Hilton"?

[R.A.F.]

So much for equity under the law.

I agree...as long as people who can easily afford to pay fines are treated the same as those who cannot afford to pay fines, there can be no equity.

I guess that's not what you meant, is it. :)

[Kullat Nunu]

Scalable justice? So much for equity under the law.

You do realize the hypcritical position you've taken here? You're saying the we should turn the concept of the punishment fitting the crime to the punishment fitting the criminal. A textbook double standard.

Fine is both a form of punishment and a way to make sure that the gain from the offense becomes negative. If you're so rich that even a larger fine makes no economical impact then you are practically over law in cases where there is no loss of freedom. Therefore a fine based on the offender's economical status is perfectly justified.

[Moose]

I'm not a fan of "the princess," but must admit I don't understand why she now must serve the entire 45 days. Seems they're now punishing her for the actions of "law enforcement" officials.

By all appearances (from the peanut gallery, anyway), some sort of shenanigans have occurred. Until the sheriff's role in this (and the "motive") are fully understood, and whether or not PH or family had a role in
"motivating" the sheriff (as some, myself included, suspect), it's fair to remove all perqs from the table for now and go with the sentence as levied. "Time off" can be restored once the facts are on the table.

I will give her credit in 1 regard: She was willing to go to regular jail, not "pay jail" which many celebrities can and DO opt for.

She wasn't actually given that option, as I understand it.

And it's easy for us who haven't had years of immense wealth, privilege and being spoiled to put her down. How different would any of us be if our last name were "Hilton"?

I'd like to think I wouldn't be quite that useless, but then I was raised by reasonably sensible people who actually care about my behavior.

[Doodler]

I agree...as long as people who can easily afford to pay fines are treated the same as those who cannot afford to pay fines, there can be no equity.

I guess that's not what you meant, is it. :)

You're trying to use that cheeseball arguement to shame a capitalist, RAF. You failed the moment you hit the "Reply" button.

[Lord Jubjub]

In Scandinavian countries, fines ARE scalable according to your ability to pay. Speeding tickets have been known to cost multiple tens of thousands of Euros.

What I really found amusing (as did the late night comedians) was the local TV station breaking into the PH arrest to announce that a top military officer in the Pentagon will be replaced and then quickly going back to PH.

[sarongsong]

By all appearances (from the peanut gallery, anyway), some sort of shenanigans have occurred. Until the sheriff's role in this (and the "motive") are fully understood...A judge/sheriff thing?June 8, 2007
KING: Sheriff Arpaio, I guess you agreed with the judge's decision today?
SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO, MARICOPA COUNTY, ARIZONA, KNOWN AS "TOUGHEST SHERIFF IN THE WEST": Yes, I agree. I don't know about the 19 days. She should be doing 40 or 45. But that's that issue.
I have all these gals behind me. They're in a hot tent. It's 128 [degrees F.] right now. I could let them all out in house arrest, but I would never do that. Never let them out, so they can, what, drink martinis and steak and everything else?
So I have a policy, there is no house arrest.
KING: So, and, actually, as you said yesterday, you wouldn't have let her out in the first place, right?
ARPAIO: No, she would not be released. I'm not criticizing the sheriff. I just hope that he understands, he's the elected constitutional sheriff and runs the jail. He should not let judges tell him what to do. That's another issue that has to be looked into...
CNN Larry King Live (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0706/08/lkl.01.html)

[Doodler]

Arpaio is a psychopath.

[publius]

Until the sheriff's role in this (and the "motive") are fully understood, and whether or not PH or family had a role in
"motivating" the sheriff (as some, myself included, suspect), it's fair to remove all perqs from the table for now and go with the sentence as levied. "Time off" can be restored once the facts are on the table.



Our 5-star general sheriff here is coming under the microscope, now:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070609/ap_en_ce/paris_hilton_sheriff;_ylt=AtZxkuNXH3Y.nQ1HhOh66ERx Fb8C

He has been motivated before a good bit, apparently.

-Richard

[Kullat Nunu]

In Scandinavian countries, fines ARE scalable according to your ability to pay. Speeding tickets have been known to cost multiple tens of thousands of Euros.

Right, and then we read their whines in tabloids.

What I really found amusing (as did the late night comedians) was the local TV station breaking into the PH arrest to announce that a top military officer in the Pentagon will be replaced and then quickly going back to PH.

A sign of the end times...

[sarongsong]

Arpaio is a psychopath.Maybe so, but he does keep getting re-elected, while no doubt encouraging crooks to practice their 'trades' elsewhere. http://bautforum.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Michael Noonan]

This is a sure sign that we enjoy a rare privilege. As ordinary people we are free of the stare and insatiable interest and scrutiny of the media. This is a privilege above that extended to movie stars and royalty.

Is there anyone in the world so powerful, so important who has the authority to be not only of intense interest to the media and at the same time immune to its scrutiny. I don't have all bad things to say about media it has its purpose. Being below it is fine but what of above?

But wouldn't it be magnificent to be a person of such importance that despite the interest and overwhelming speculation that they can demand to be left alone?

If ever there was a person that important that they could do that without having to go into hiding, then that person could truly be said to have made it.

[justlukeyou]

It was just a matter of time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k66epna2Sss

(Mod note: mild adult content, discretion advised)

[R.A.F.]

You're trying to use that cheeseball arguement to shame a capitalist, RAF. You failed the moment you hit the "Reply" button.

"Cheeseball"?? On a discussion board people express opinions...you characterize mine as "cheeseball", when you could have simply said, "I disagree with you", and then stated your reasons for disagreeing with me.

...and how could I fail? I wasn't aware I was involved in some kind of "contest".

This subject seems to have touched an emotional chord with you so I'll remove myself from this thread since what I have to say on this subject would only upset you further.

[Doodler]

"Cheeseball"?? On a discussion board people express opinions...you characterize mine as "cheeseball", when you could have simply said, "I disagree with you", and then stated your reasons for disagreeing with me.

I chose to characterize the nature of your response with respect to its intended target (me).

...and how could I fail? I wasn't aware I was involved in some kind of "contest".

You failed to convince me that my position was in error by pointing out a conflict the existance of which I deem irrelevent.

This subject seems to have touched an emotional chord with you so I'll remove myself from this thread since what I have to say on this subject would only upset you further.

You're the one using italics and multiple sentence terminating punctuation. Are you sure I'm the one off balance? I've simply taken a position opposite the grain that most others have, and I'm defending it as best I can.

It would seem I've successfully irritated you, and for that I apologize.

[NEOWatcher]

It was just a matter of time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k66epna2Sss

(Mod note: mild adult content, discretion advised)
How about giving us a clue?
Why would it interest us? What does it involve?
Especially if there is adult content...

[01101001]

How about giving us a clue?
Why would it interest us? What does it involve?
Especially if there is adult content...

I gave my time and eyes for BAUT. It's a music video "Paris Hilton Goes Back to Jail". Not recommended.

[Argos]

However futile, alienated and disgusting this young lady may be, I think 45 days in jail for driving slightly inffluenced by alcohol is too much. Imprisonment is a primitive form of punishment, and it should avoided whenever possible for less serious faults.

Emphasis should be given to reeducation through community services [I mean, real and hard social work - not those TV stunts recently performed by Naomi Campbell and Boy George]. A jail time can make a person worse than he/she already is, which is a disservice for society.

[NEOWatcher]

However futile, alienated and disgusting this young lady may be, I think 45 days in jail for driving slightly inffluenced by alcohol is too much. Imprisonment is a primitive form of punishment, and it should avoided whenever possible for less serious faults.
There's a lot more than just that. The media does the same thing, and it gets very irritating. It's like when they present a story about a person being kicked of a flight for doing "X", when actually they got kicked off for causing a problem when "X" was pointed out to them.
Emphasis should be given to reeducation through community services [I mean, real and hard social work - not those TV stunts recently performed by Naomi Campbell and Boy George]. A jail time can make a person worse than he/she already is, which is a disservice for society.
Mostly, I agree with you, but I don't think that would happen to this kind of person in this kind of situation.

You did bring up a good statement about the social work "stunts".
The Bill of Rights prevents cruel, excessive, or unusual punishements. The problem is the definitions of the words, and how it applies.
Is it cruel or excessive for the crime, or is it cruel or excessive for the person?

I feel it is a combination of the two. For the average person, a stay in the slammer for only a few days could be very damaging to their life (in that it can affect thier job)
In a person like this, it doesn't matter. In fact the publicity is even a plus. In this case, anything that will make the offender sit and think, is probably a good idea.

[Noclevername]

In this case, anything that will make the offender sit and think, is probably a good idea.

I'm not sure that this one experience would be enough to shake her out of her little Barbie dreamworld and make her think, since that's a skill she's never had any motivation to acquire. She'll sit and whine, most likely.

[Matherly]

Arpaio is a psychopath.

I live in Maracopa Country, AZ where "Sherrif Joe" is located. I can say with a degree of certainly that he's not a psycopath, but rather a publicity... um... seeker (I started with something else, but then remembered this is a family board). He'll say or do anything to get publicity.

[Noclevername]

ToSeeked. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=60076)

[SeanF]

ToSeeked. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=60076)
:confused: Are you saying this thread ToSeeked itself?

[NEOWatcher]

:confused: Are you saying this thread ToSeeked itself?
No; missing message that the threads were merged.

Or is it just a sign of the endless loop of zanyness?

[Noclevername]

:confused: Are you saying this thread ToSeeked itself?

Aaaagh! I posted that in this thread instead of about this thread.

:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

[NEOWatcher]

Aaaagh! I posted that in this thread instead of about this thread.
No; the mods are just trying to psych you out...

My post (#72) was post #2 when it was seperate.

[Spock Jenkins]

I agree...as long as people who can easily afford to pay fines are treated the same as those who cannot afford to pay fines, there can be no equity.

I guess that's not what you meant, is it. :)

I've often made the joke that if money were no object, I'd check into buying my tickets in advance. "Yes, I'd like to drive to Detroit and I need to go 100 mph to get there in a timely fashion. How much would that ticket set me back? Can I just pay cash now?"

[Noclevername]

No; missing message that the threads were merged.

Oh, thank Zeus. I though I'd gone crazy. (-er.)


Or is it just a sign of the endless loop of zanyness?

No, that would be this thread (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=60258) about the military's attempt to turn people gay.

...

Just more support for my theory that Earth is the universe's insane asylum.

[Tucson_Tim]

Aaaagh! I posted that in this thread instead of about this thread.

:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

Oh no! Look out! It's going to implode! :)

[Kullat Nunu]

However futile, alienated and disgusting this young lady may be, I think 45 days in jail for driving slightly inffluenced by alcohol is too much. Imprisonment is a primitive form of punishment, and it should avoided whenever possible for less serious faults.

She didn't go jail because of driving under influence, but because she drove twice with a suspended license. The second time she was speeding (70 MPH in 35 MPH zone). How many violations are enough to confirm that she didn't want to obey the law?

[Noclevername]

How many violations are enough to confirm that she didn't want to obey the law?

Her publicist didn't tell her she had to obey laws. ;)

[NEOWatcher]

Her publicist didn't tell her she had to obey laws. ;)

Well; let's see how sincere yesterdays statements (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/11/paris.hilton.ap/index.html) are.

"I used to act dumb. ... That act is no longer cute," ABC quoted Hilton as saying.
It was cute? :sick:
a statement saying she hoped the media would focus on "more important things" than her 45-day jail sentence
Hey; I agree with her on something. :whistle:
Hilton has been saying that she is changed by her jailhouse experience
Before or after screaming about how unfair this is? :think:

[Noclevername]

Well; let's see how sincere yesterdays statements (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/11/paris.hilton.ap/index.html) are.

"I used to act dumb. ... That act is no longer cute," ABC quoted Hilton as saying.
It was cute? :sick:

It was an act? :liar:

a statement saying she hoped the media would focus on "more important things" than her 45-day jail sentence
Hey; I agree with her on something. :whistle:


That's the same media that should have been focussing on things more important than her antics all along!

Hilton has been saying that she is changed by her jailhouse experience

:hand: Yeah, right. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Peter Wilson]

Maybe so, but (Sheriff Joe Arpaio) does keep getting re-elected, while no doubt encouraging crooks to practice their 'trades' elsewhere. Actually, crime has sky-rocketed in Maricopa county under "America's meanest sheriff."

He uses the fear of increasing crime (that his criminality generates) to cajole the voters into re-electing him.

Voters are too stupid to figure out cause-effect :rolleyes:

[Noclevername]

Voters are too stupid to figure out cause-effect :rolleyes:

I figured that out when I was like, eleven or twelve. :sad:

ADDED: About the stupidity of voters, I mean. Cause and effect was much later.

[publius]

Anyone who believes princess' statments stand on his head. :lol: Let's see, she says we should worry about Iraq instead of her. I doubt she could find Iraq on a map if it were highlighted in bright orange. And she's getting religion too, apparently. Bless her widdle heart.

It was said that her little sister brought in the copy of the statements she gave to Barbara Walters during sis's visit yesterday. I don't know about that, because I'm not convinced little princess can even read. :) May have been a tape or something.

I don't think anyone is really buying this, though, thankfully.

-Richard

[Tinaa]

My fault about the mix-up. Sorry! I merged the threads and then had to run to town. I was trying to do too many things at once.

[Noclevername]

My fault about the mix-up. Sorry! I merged the threads and then had to run to town. I was trying to do too many things at once.

S'awright.

[sarongsong]

...she says we should worry about Iraq instead of her...Oh, let's give her some credit in this musical-chair, the-buck-doesn't-stop-here, seemingly endless nightmare:June 8, 2007
...the decision to replace Gen. Peter Pace as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when his term ends in September...[Gates] will recommend...Adm. Michael G. Mullen, chief of naval operations, to the post...
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/08/gates.pace/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)

[Gillianren]

Oh, I'm always thinking about Iraq more than the aforementioned heiress these days. I go days without thinking about her (I don't watch a lot of TV, and what I do is mostly news or Law & Order reruns). I haven't been able to spend a day without thinking about Iraq in quite some time.

I agree that the punishment should be relative to the ability of a person to handle it. I also agree that a woman who twice got stopped while driving with a suspended license, the second time while drunk and speeding, and who was in contempt of court for most of her trial, by all accounts, deserves a worse punishment than someone who was just caught driving with a suspended license.

[Peter Wilson]

I'm just saying, she could take a tip from Kevorkian on handling injustice with dignity.

[Noclevername]

I'm just saying, she could take a tip from Kevorkian on handling injustice with dignity.

Heiress in question + dignity = ??!?

Does not compute.

[Peter Wilson]

Heiress in question + dignity = ??!?

Does not compute.
:hand:

:think:

You're right...

:doh:

[ShellyFew]

The 26-year-old heiress is expected to be released from a Los Angeles County women's jail early this week…

[Noclevername]

ToSeeked. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=60076)

[NEOWatcher]

ToSeeked. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=60076)
Looks like one of many hit and run or spam posts today.

[Peter Wilson]

I'm just saying, in England, royalty is determined by blood-line; here in the U.S, it's by papparzi-line :)

[Noclevername]

There are plenty of people here who think they are royalty because they have money and/or get a lot of attention (which is easy to get if you have lots of money).

[Palomar]

I'm just saying, in England, royalty is determined by blood-line; here in the U.S, it's by papparzi-line :)

A man from Canada, in a different forum, recently said we Americans are "frustrated royalists."

Methinks the old chap was onto something...

[Peter Wilson]

I'll 2nd that emotion...

[Gillianren]

There are plenty of people here who think they are royalty because they have money and/or get a lot of attention (which is easy to get if you have lots of money).

The woman in question is actually possessed of inherited wealth; it's why we've heard of her. She's got a great-uncle who was married to Elizabeth Taylor and whose father was married to Zsa Zsa Gabor. (Speaking of inexplicably famous!) And probably half the Americans here have increased the family's wealth by a little at least once in their lives.

[sarongsong]

...heiress is expected to be released...early this week?
[precious princess] Released From Jail - Jun 26, 2007
How conveeeenient...June 26, 2007
Today the Central Intelligence Agency released two sets of previously classified historical documents...
CIA (https://www.cia.gov/news-information/press-releases-statements/cia-releases-two-collections-of-historical-documents.html)

[Gillianren]

Yeah, because Americans would have totally cared about the operation of their government otherwise. That's why everyone votes.

[Tucson_Tim]

I looked on the CNN website yesterday and sure enough the top story was Paris Hilton. I thought "Why does CNN have to stoop so low?". Then I realized that the media are not at fault here - this is what the American public wants to see/read. If they don't show it, people will go elsewhere to view it. There's nothing that can be done . . . . :cry:

[sarongsong]

...That's why everyone votes.61.3% (http://www.statemaster.com/graph/gov_200_tot_vot_as_per-2004-election-total-votes-percentage)

[Spock Jenkins]

61.3% (http://www.statemaster.com/graph/gov_200_tot_vot_as_per-2004-election-total-votes-percentage)

I am really curious as to the accuracy of some of these estimates. Given that individuals die, move, or otherwise have to change precincts - I imagine there are several duplicate registries or dead people still registered out there. I've been at the same address for four years and have never had to update my registration, but they did change our precinct once.

I wonder how many individual names are registered to vote vs. how many individuals are eligible per the most recent census.

[Noclevername]

I looked on the CNN website yesterday and sure enough the top story was Paris Hilton. I thought "Why does CNN have to stoop so low?". Then I realized that the media are not at fault here - this is what the American public wants to see/read. If they don't show it, people will go elsewhere to view it. There's nothing that can be done . . . . :cry:


Just as there can be no bad leaders without bad followers, there can be no bad media without bad viewers. Bad viewers, bad!

[Delvo]

the media are not at fault here - this is what the American public wants to see/read. If they don't show it, people will go elsewhere to view it.Or, at least, that's what the media people think.

[NEOWatcher]

Or, at least, that's what the media people think.
No; it is true, people do want to hear it. The distinction though, is that it is not news, it is a cross between a sit-com and a reality show. It is entertainment and something that people can laugh at... But, so is Futurama, it's just not on the news.

[Noclevername]

No; it is true, people do want to hear it. The distinction though, is that it is not news, it is a cross between a sit-com and a reality show. It is entertainment and something that people can laugh at... But, so is Futurama, it's just not on the news.

Most of what's on the "news" isn't news.

[Tucson_Tim]

Or, at least, that's what the media people think.

You could be right. Chicken or the egg. But which media giant is going to experiment and not show the crap and possibly lose millions of dollars that week alone?

No matter what, thinking people everywhere are screwed! :cry:

[NEOWatcher]

Most of what's on the "news" isn't news.
I won't argue with you on that one.

[sarongsong]

No; it is true, people do want to hear it...Even BAUT's Views/Replies (currently 2,181/117) ratio for this thread is quite high.

[Gillianren]

Yes, but our commentary is much wider-ranging. We've started talking about the nature of media in general, not just as it applies to one woman whom we've all seen too much of.

[Maksutov]

I'm still wondering why no one has coined the term "heirhead" yet.

:think:

[publius]

I'm still wondering why no one has coined the term "heirhead" yet.

:think:

I've actually seen that used, so I guess you can consider it coined. Larry King is getting skewered all over the place for his performance interviewing her and the question was who was the biggest airhead, Larry or the heirhead.

-Richard

[Musashi]

When was the last time Larry didn't pander to his interviewee?

[Noclevername]

At least Larry King isn't dancing drunkenly on tabletops.

[Maksutov]

I've actually seen that used, so I guess you can consider it coined. Larry King is getting skewered all over the place for his performance interviewing her and the question was who was the biggest airhead, Larry or the heirhead.

-RichardNot having paid much attention to this particular media circus, it's understandable how I missed that.

Thanks for the update.

[sarongsong]

A case of heiressted development...:)

[Donnie B.]

At least she's not putting on heirs.

[Matherly]

At least Larry King isn't dancing drunkenly on tabletops.

....

Excuse me while I go poke out my mind's eye

[Noclevername]

....

Excuse me while I go poke out my mind's eye

Then I won't even mention his videotape. :eek::sick::sick::sick::sick:

[publius]

Speaking of why she whose name shall not be mentioned gets such attention, some media honcho type was droning on about that the other day, and he made an interesting point.

Take a raving lunatic and put him on the air, and you can't take your eyes off him. He offered Charles Manson as an example. Let him ramble on his madness and it's just utterly fascinating -- that would get stellar ratings all the time. When you see someone who's just "gone" in various ways, you just have to watch.

Dare I say that much of the ATM and Conspiracy activity here (at least before the rules change) was due to this phenomenon. Admit, you love (to hate) outlandish, insane stuff. :lol:

That explains Jerry Springer and the heirhead as well. We just love to watch people violating all the rules and norms of acceptable behavior.

-Richard

[Noclevername]

That explains Jerry Springer and the heirhead as well. We just love to watch people violating all the rules and norms of acceptable behavior.

I'm happy to be an exception to that rule. I'll watch a novelty once, just out of curiosity, but if it's just someone being stupid I quickly get sick of it and walk away.

[davidlpf]

Then I won't even mention his videotape. :eek::sick::sick::sick::sick:
And I won't mention what he has on Youtube.

[publius]

I'm happy to be an exception to that rule. I'll watch a novelty once, just out of curiosity, but if it's just someone being stupid I quickly get sick of it and walk away.


So I take you don't like the Three Stooges? :) That, and slapstick comedy in general, is all about people acting stupid. :lol: And the irony, the grand irony and even wisdom we should all ponder, is that it takes a very smart person to know how to act stupid in the right way to make it very funny. As an example, read a biography of Lucille Ball. She approached her slapstick with meticulous precision. It had to be just right.

-Richard

[davidlpf]

So I take you don't like the Three Stooges? :) That, and slapstick comedy in general, is all about people acting stupid. :lol: And the irony, the grand irony and even wisdom we should all ponder, is that it takes a very smart person to know how to act stupid in the right way to make it very funny. As an example, read a biography of Lucille Ball. She approached her slapstick with meticulous precision. It had to be just right.

-Richard
Just to add most of Monty Python, had degress from Cambridge and Oxford.

[Gillianren]

I don't know. I don't consider what Monty Python does to be anywhere near slapstick. And while it may well be true that Jerry Springer shares the same section of people's brains as the Three Stooges, I'm not comfortable with humour based on humiliating other people. This doesn't mean I don't like it--there is a perverse appeal to some of it--but it means that it has to be better than word play that amuses me in order for me to watch it at all.

[Noclevername]

So I take you don't like the Three Stooges? :) That, and slapstick comedy in general, is all about people acting stupid. :lol: And the irony, the grand irony and even wisdom we should all ponder, is that it takes a very smart person to know how to act stupid in the right way to make it very funny. As an example, read a biography of Lucille Ball. She approached her slapstick with meticulous precision. It had to be just right.

-Richard


Correction, I should have said "being stupid". Someone acting stupid can be entertaining if it's done right. Watching someone who's just plain stupid, however, is just painful.

[davidlpf]

I don't know. I don't consider what Monty Python does to be anywhere near slapstick. And while it may well be true that Jerry Springer shares the same section of people's brains as the Three Stooges, I'm not comfortable with humour based on humiliating other people. This doesn't mean I don't like it--there is a perverse appeal to some of it--but it means that it has to be better than word play that amuses me in order for me to watch it at all.
Python is silly, that was my point.

[publius]

You know, if I had to choose, I'd choose Bob Newhart as one of the smartest comics. He is brilliant. I don't even know the vocabulary of this stuff to describe what he did. Basically, he played the sane man surrounded by lunatics and had the genius to do that deftly. And what was really funny was the few times when he himself would go off his rocker, to the shock and disbelief of the lunatics.

I get in arguments about which of his two (well, he had a third that didn't do too well) sitcoms were the best. I go with Dick Loudon over Bob Hartley, but some disagree.

The ending of Newhart, the second one, was the best ending I've ever seen. The Darylls finally speak (telling their chattering wives to shut up) and Dick gets hit in the head with a golf ball only to wake as Bob Hartley next to Suzzane Pleshette, telling her the crazy dream he just had.

Anyway, that gets my vote as some of the most cerebral comedy. Bob Newhart did not assume his audience was dumb. On the contrary, he assumed they were smart, and didn't care for a dumb one.

-Richard

[Peter Wilson]

Correction, I should have said "being stupid". Someone acting stupid can be entertaining if it's done right. Watching someone who's just plain stupid, however, is just painful.
According to the princess, the stupidity is/was "just an act"...to be cute :shifty:

[davidlpf]

According to the princess, the stupidity is/was "just an act"...to be cute :shifty:
Lets give her all the acting awards possible, she must the worlds best actress.

[Noclevername]

According to the princess, the stupidity is/was "just an act"...to be cute :shifty:

She was overacting.

Cute... yeah, that's one word for it. Not an accurate word, but a word nonetheless.

[davidlpf]

She was overacting.

Cute... yeah, that's one word for it. Not an accurate word, but a word nonetheless.
Heres a better one,nauseating.

[Noclevername]

Heres a better one,nauseating.


I can think of others but they'd be against the board's language rules.

[Lord Jubjub]

Listen, if she suddenly pulls off a deep philosophical reference and an incredibly astute turn of phrase, I'll believe it's all an act.

[Noclevername]

Listen, if she suddenly pulls off a deep philosophical reference and an incredibly astute turn of phrase, I'll believe it's all an act.


Heck, if she can add two plus two I'd have to revise my estimate of her.

[Tucson_Tim]

Heck, if she can add two plus two I'd have to revise my estimate of her.

We had this quiz before, didn't we? 22

[Maksutov]

We had this quiz before, didn't we? 22Now, let's not always see the same hands...

[Gillianren]

She was overacting.

Cute... yeah, that's one word for it. Not an accurate word, but a word nonetheless.

Vexingly, in our society, dumb is more appealing than smart. Especially in women. Hence the career of Marilyn Monroe, for example. (Arguments about whether or not she was actually smart notwithstanding, the characters were dumb.) "Cute"? No. However, if it's an act, which I doubt, I can see why she did it. Wish she'd stop, though. It only reinforces a negative stereotype. (Actually, she's apparently a very shrewd businesswoman. That does not necessarily mean that she's smart, though, or even not dumb. Ruthless and a good head for figures--or knowing how to hire someone with a good head for figures--that's what that takes.)

[Tucson_Tim]

Now, let's not always see the same hands...

I must not tell a lie. I stole the answer from someone else here, maybe Noclevername? :o

[Palomar]

Vexingly, in our society, dumb is more appealing than smart. Especially in women. Hence the career of Marilyn Monroe, for example. (Arguments about whether or not she was actually smart notwithstanding, the characters were dumb.) "Cute"? No.

First person who comes to my mind in that regard is Anna Nicole Smith. :rolleyes:

I understand her appeal to men.

Otherwise, 10 seconds of her was 9 seconds too much.

I'm sorry she died young, left a baby behind, etc. But if she'd lost her fame 10 years ago, I'd have been a-okay with that.

Paris Hilton isn't so bad, by comparison.

[Noclevername]

I'm sorry she died young, left a baby behind, etc. But if she'd lost her fame 10 years ago, I'd have been a-okay with that.

I see far too many women who act the same way and make the same bad choices, and often die the same way. But since they're not as good looking, they don't end up with TV shows and publicists, and no one ever hears about them or their poor kids.

Dumb ain't always cute.

[HenrikOlsen]

You could be right. Chicken or the egg. But which media giant is going to experiment and not show the crap and possibly lose millions of dollars that week alone?

No matter what, thinking people everywhere are screwed! :cry:

OK, US Weekly isn't a media giant, but they're doing the experiment (http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070626/NEWS/70626058) at least about not mentioning the PP.

[Tucson_Tim]

OK, US Weekly isn't a media giant, but they're doing the experiment (http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070626/NEWS/70626058).

Good! I'll hope, but I won't hold my breath waiting for the big guys to follow suit.

[sarongsong]

See MSNBC commentator Mika Brzezinski 'handle' the story!
YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VdNcCcweL0) [03:01]

[Lurker]

See MSNBC commentator Mika Brzezinski 'handle' the story!
YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VdNcCcweL0) [03:01]
Wow... is that censorship or what?!?!?!?!?!?!? :eek:

Hey this is America... we pay pro football players 7 and 8 figure salaries and teachers next to nothing... It's called capitalism... :cool:

[Noclevername]

Hey this is America... we pay pro football players 7 and 8 figure salaries and teachers next to nothing... It's called capitalism... :cool:

Yes, but Paris got her money from inheritance, which is dynastic rather than capitalistic.

[foreignkid]

Yes, but Paris got her money from inheritance, which is dynastic rather than capitalistic.

Whoa... The Hilton Dynasty.
Scary. :shifty:

[sarongsong]

Hey..."she works hard for the money!..." :)Top 100 Celebrities (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/53/07celebrities_The-Celebrity-100_Rank.html)
Power Rank: 55
Pay $6.5 mil.......Rank: 87
Web Hits 3,600,000 ........4
Press Clips 17,591 ........16
TV/Radio 502 ...............10
Cover Stories .................3
Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/53/U3HH.html)

[foreignkid]

She does work hard at some things, but I don't think making money is it. And we all know why she gets almost 4 mil web hits, and cover stories, what with her being in jail and that. I hate people who intently follow celebrity lives, as if they will learn from them something other than drugs, alcohol, racism, crime, marriage, divorce, and all that other sh... stuff.

[Noclevername]

Hey..."she works hard for the money!..." :)

Yes, but she got the money first, which is backwards from how most people do it, and likely would have a lot of money even if she never did a thing, so... no causal relationship. She works, sometimes, but not for the money.

And somehow I doubt very much that it's hard work, either.

[Noclevername]

I hate people who intently follow celebrity lives, as if they will learn from them something other than drugs, alcohol, racism, crime, marriage, divorce, and all that other sh... stuff.


Some people love to see others live the Glamorous Life, and live vicariously through them. At the same time, they get jealous, and love to see the priveleged have scandals and generally screw up their "perfect" lives. It's the world's longest ongoing soap opera.

[Maksutov]

Some people love to see others live the Glamorous Life, and live vicariously through them. At the same time, they get jealous, and love to see the priveleged have scandals and generally screw up their "perfect" lives. It's the world's longest ongoing soap opera.You know, you may have hit upon a reason so many countries put up with their "royalty".

It also might explain why such large segments of "educated" populations willfully accept superstition, in one form or another.

Once you abandon reason for emotional titillation, anything goes.

[Noclevername]

You know, you may have hit upon a reason so many countries put up with their "royalty".
Ask any medieval troubadour! Gossip is good business.


It also might explain why such large segments of "educated" populations willfully accept superstition, in one form or another.

Once you abandon reason for emotional titillation, anything goes.

I think it works the other way around; we all start out life subservient to our emotions, then (some) discover that reason works better and give up emotional self-indulgence. But it's counter-instinctive. On some level we all want to "baby" ourselves.

[Maksutov]

[edit]I think it works the other way around; we all start out life subservient to our emotions, then (some) discover that reason works better and give up emotional self-indulgence. But it's counter-instinctive. On some level we all want to "baby" ourselves.Agreed re the former "some" as long it's about 5 to 10% of the population.

[Noclevername]

Agreed re the former "some" as long it's about 5 to 10% of the population.


I would say even less than that. Many don't give it up, they just become good at rationalizing and fool themselves into thinking they have.

[Damien Evans]

See MSNBC commentator Mika Brzezinski 'handle' the story!
YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VdNcCcweL0) [03:01]

why can't more journalists be like Mika...

[Lurker]

why can't more journalists be like Mika...
I agree, but hey... its America. MSNBC is just trying to do the broadcast equivalent of "sell more newspapers" a strong American tradition. There is a perception that Paris sells while the war in Iraq doesn't... Unfortunately, I got a sinking feeling that this perception is correct... :doh:

[Noclevername]

I agree, but hey... its America. MSNBC is just trying to do the broadcast equivalent of "sell more newspapers" a strong American tradition. There is a perception that Paris sells while the war in Iraq doesn't... Unfortunately, I got a sinking feeling that this perception is correct... :doh:

Well, the premiere of her stupid TV show a few years ago did get more viewers than a State of the Union Adress which was on opposite it.

[Lurker]

Well, the premiere of her stupid TV show a few years ago did get more viewers than a State of the Union Adress which was on opposite it.
That's the capitalistic way... people get what they want. The first event to bring down the internet was a Victoria's Secret Lingerie webcast... :whistle:

[Damien Evans]

That's the capitalistic way... people get what they want. The first event to bring down the internet was a Victoria's Secret Lingerie webcast... :whistle:

really?

I wonder why...:whistle:

[Lurker]

really?

I wonder why...:whistle:
Yup... its true... it changed the way streaming video is delivered across the net. As to why... I have no idea... I guess it will remain one of those strange mysteries.... :think:

[Peter Wilson]

OK, US Weekly isn't a media giant, but they're doing the experiment (http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070626/NEWS/70626058) at least about not mentioning the PP.Are you serious?

I'm canceling my subscription.

;)

[01101001]

Just heard Danica McKellar is hawking her popular book, and I thought she should get a mention here as the anti-PH. She's been mentioned before in BAUT for her math chops. She is truly precious.

Who? She played the character Winnie Cooper in The Wonder Years, Kevin Arnold's girl-next-door friend/puppy-love interest.

Who? Co-author of: Percolation and Gibbs states multiplicity for Ferromagnetic Ashkin–Teller models on Z2 (http://www.danicamckellar.com/math/percolation.pdf).

Oh, that Danica McKellar.

The book? Math Doesn't Suck: How to Survive Middle-school Math without Losing Your Mind or Breaking a Nail (http://www.amazon.com/Math-Doesnt-Suck-Middle-School-Breaking/dp/1594630399/ref=sr_1_1/002-7671472-6532004?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185812078&sr=1-1)

Official website (http://www.danicamckellar.com/)

5927 (http://www.danicamckellar.com/)

Go, Danica!

[sarongsong]

Oops:July 30, 2007
PARTY princess...is $60 million out of pocket after her billionaire grandfather [Barron H.]...reportedly axed her inheritance..."He now doesn't want to leave unearned wealth to his family."...
news.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22157701-1702,00.html)

[hhEb09'1]

Go, Danica!Am a fan of the Danicas, but listen to this, Math Book Helps Girls Embrace Their Inner Mathematician (http://www.wired.com/culture/education/news/2007/08/winniecooper_QA):The book includes horoscopes, testimonials, cute doodles and quotes from girls. Word problems are brought to life with descriptions of lipstick, beads, cookies and similarly girly examples that might make the feminist in some women cringe. In the interview below, McKellar explains why being a math whiz and a girly girl are not mutually exclusive.Horrorscopes??

BTW, this flurry of twenty-something Danicas came from somewhere, where? soap opera?

[01101001]

Horrorscopes?

Until I learn different, I'm going to assume the cover of the book tips off the hook: it's designed to look like the cover of a young girls' magazine, with similar topics that entice. I'd be very surprised if it addressed horoscopes as a serious topic, without tongue in cheek, just from what I've read about the author.

My math book for girls would be different. But, it probably wouldn't sell. I don't make much of a cover girl.

[01101001]

BTW, this flurry of twenty-something Danicas came from somewhere, where? soap opera?

Dang. Danica addresses your question on her site (http://www.danicamckellar.com/), at least regarding her. I'm embarrassed to say, gosh, I was reading her fanmail and answers. See, my brain, totally without my consent, recently saw her name and did an ambigram -- you know, my weird symmetry hobby (http://www.01101001.com/ambigrams) -- and I figured I might as well send it to her and so I read her fanmail first to see what people write... So someone asked about her name, she answered, and I thought about your questions, and it even has slight astronomy content, so here I am conveying this very important information:

The name "Danica" (pronounced with the same inflection as "Monica" or "Erica") comes from a book called "Name Your Baby" that my parents bought before I was born. The name seems to be natively found in Denmark and also in most Slavic countires (although in Slavic nations, it's pronounced "Don'-eetz-sa") and it means, "Morning Star." That's why I named my production company "Morning Starlight Productions, " since I guess a morning star would "produce" morning starlight.

The ambigram? It's:
http://www.01101001.com/images/danica_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/danica.gif)

[01101001]

I laughed at this news item. Danica appears to know she is the anti-PH.

CNN: 'Wonder Years' actress: 'Smart is cool' (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/30/people.mckellar.ap/index.html)

"When girls see the antics of Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan, they think that being fun and glamorous also means being dumb and irresponsible," the 32-year-old McKellar told Newsweek for editions to hit newsstands Monday.

"But I want to show them that being smart is cool," she said. "Being good at math is cool. And not only that, it can help them get what they want out of life."

[NEOWatcher]

I laughed at this news item. Danica appears to know she is the anti-PH.
Perhaps that's why she was mentioned 5 posts ago. ;)

edit: Sorry, My bad, you are part of the conversation... Now I'm confused.

[01101001]

Now I'm confused.


I heard she had a book out about math.
I called her the anti-PH and plugged her book.
I heard another news item about her book, in which she indirectly says she's the anti-PH.
I laughed.
I made this list.

[NEOWatcher]

I heard she had a book out about math.
I called her the anti-PH and plugged her book.
I heard another news item about her book, in which she indirectly says she's the anti-PH.
I laughed.
I made this list.
Thanks; I feel better know.

[Maksutov]

Who is Lindsay Lohan?

[davidlpf]

Who is Lindsay Lohan?
Consider yourself lucky if you have to ask.

[Maksutov]

I am now considering myself lucky. And due to enjoying that feeling I will not do a web search on that name.

[Damien Evans]

I am now considering myself lucky. And due to enjoying that feeling I will not do a web search on that name.

Smart Move:)

[Tobin Dax]

Who is Lindsay Lohan?
Haley Mills' replacement.

[Gillianren]

Haley Mills' replacement.

Nonsense. That was Jodie Foster. Both were also remarkably well-behaved young women.

[Noclevername]

Who is Lindsay Lohan?


Exactly.

[Tobin Dax]

Nonsense. That was Jodie Foster. Both were also remarkably well-behaved young women.
I'm not sure if I ever saw the original Freaky Friday, but the Parent Trap commercials the Disney Channel was running all weekend seem to have left a mark. :mad:

[Gillianren]

I'm not sure if I ever saw the original Freaky Friday, but the Parent Trap commercials the Disney Channel was running all weekend seem to have left a mark. :mad:

I finally watched about two minutes' worth; the woman who plays Vicki, the girlfriend, in the original, plays the character's mother in the remake. That was all I wanted to see. Actually, at least one of my "reviews" of various Disney movies is instead a tirade against Disney's incessant remakes of late.

[01101001]

Just heard Danica McKellar is hawking her popular book[...]

The book? Math Doesn't Suck: How to Survive Middle-school Math without Losing Your Mind or Breaking a Nail (http://www.amazon.com/Math-Doesnt-Suck-Middle-School-Breaking/dp/1594630399/ref=sr_1_1/002-7671472-6532004?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185812078&sr=1-1)

ABC News Person of the Week (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/PersonOfWeek/story?id=3467211&page=1)

"There is an epidemic right now of girls dumbing themselves down … in middle school because they think its makes them attractive," [Danica McKellar] said. "[It] could be because of the role models they are getting in the media."

Video report contained appropriate digs at the empty-headed celebities.

[Michael Noonan]

ABC News Person of the Week (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/PersonOfWeek/story?id=3467211&page=1)

"There is an epidemic right now of girls dumbing themselves down … in middle school because they think its makes them attractive," [Danica McKellar] said. "[It] could be because of the role models they are getting in the media."

Video report contained appropriate digs at the empty-headed celebrities.

To be fair the media choose what they want to portray any person as:-
People who need media must play to what media portray

check this positive PH article (once you get past the usual running down of course) only if you care to ... it is about trees.
here (http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=06af5d98-1000-4ec8-9ede-)

Would it be so bad if such a person appeared to have some real or good interests, so we wait until the media decide to pay out again because the way it really pays negative press wins. :mad: world ... totally :mad:

[Michael Noonan]

This is the URL
http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=06af5d98-1000-4ec8-9ede-26936a4d7789

man, I can't believe even the internet doesn't want to be nice either

[Michael Noonan]

Alright maybe I should let this one go too. I get frustrated when this computer gets cranky and give up quite a few posts.

But here you have Tzeporah Berman, one of B.C.'s best-known environmentalists along with personalities such as former Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev and David Suzuki. Possibly the only way certain celebs would be able to bring world attention to a small environmental event would be to drive into one of the trees they are trying to save.

Is the that the message our media is sending to anyone aspiring to make a difference. Or maybe it would be more helpful to get loaded and then hit the tree. It just seems to send the wrong message.

To me this says if you are an intelligent starlet get plastered and make a big hit where ever you go. To me, this is just wrong.