It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's The Bomb!

[Maksutov]

U.S. bomber mistakenly flies with nuclear weapons. (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0522314720070905)

Perhaps this will take the minds of some folks off chemtrails!

[mugaliens]

U.S. bomber mistakenly flies with nuclear weapons. (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0522314720070905)

Perhaps this will take the minds of some folks off chemtrails!

I could get into the details of the cross-checks involved to prevent this from happening, but if I did, I'd find someone knocking at my door in short order.

Let it suffice to say that, being intimately familiar with those cross-checks, I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out how this could have possibly happened. It's not like go, no-go decisions for a shuttle launch. It's more like a no-go, no-go, no-go, no-go, no-go, no-go, (repeate a few dozen times), go decision. Unless the planets align, they're not loaded aboard the aircraft. Unless half the Milky Way becomes a mirror image of the other, they're not enabled to be viable. Unless the all the stars in all the heavens align, no crew would take off with them, and the only way they'd actually drop them is if they received personal word from God that Hell was actually frozen over.

I need to stop scratching my head, as I'm working up a pretty good bald spot...

In the meantime, I think it's safe to say that it was no more dangerous than transporting them via any other means (train or truck).

[sarongsong]

...The U.S. military maintains a policy against discussing any nuclear weapons matters, and both [Air Force spokesman] Thomas and [Pentagon press secretary] Morrell would not say the weapons aboard the B-52 were nuclear. But one defense official confirmed the missiles were nuclear...Confirmed? What was there to confirm if 'the U.S. military' was the only entity that would have known about "the mistake" that they don't discuss?
Was the cargo manifest listed in The Shipping News, or sumth'n?

[Superluminal]

Speaking as an old SAC troop, I imagine some heads are going to roll for this. Back during the cold war, in exercises we would upload several B-52's and place them on alert status for a strike against the USSR. Some planes would be loaded with real nukes, some with dummy nukes. During the exercise security police had to guard every buff as if it were loaded with the real thing. When the exercise terminated, security was pulled from the dummy loaded buff's. After one exercise, security was pulled from a buff loaded with real nukes by mistake and the buff sat on the flight line for 12 hours with no security. Everyone from the commander to the lowest Airman who had anything to do with that buff was called on the carpet.

[mike alexander]

Looking back I find the whole thing to have been kind of bracing. Brings back a mild frisson, memories of being a kid in the 50's and wondering if I would just go directly from human to glowing gas or would there be a short period of radiation sickness instead. The idea that I could look up at a contrail in this day and age and think, hey, maybe they're carrying hell in a can up there! makes me feel young again.

[Maksutov]

I know what you mean!

Makes one want to go out into the backyard and start digging. Then stocking up on canned goods and potable water. Plus some iodine pills.

Then the hand weapons in case the neighbors decide they want you to share your shelter.

Boy, those were the days!

[galacsi]

Confirmed? What was there to confirm if 'the U.S. military' was the only entity that would have known about "the mistake" that they don't discuss?
Was the cargo manifest listed in The Shipping News, or sumth'n?

So may be it is a bluff directed at Iran. (You better know I am mad and can do any thing).

[Zachary]

So may be it is a bluff directed at Iran. (You better know I am mad and can do any thing).

Then why was the plane flying over the US?

"You do anything fishy and...we'll...bomb ourselves! Yeah, take that why don't you. Bet you're scared now!"

[galacsi]

Then why was the plane flying over the US?

"You do anything fishy and...we'll...bomb ourselves! Yeah, take that why don't you. Bet you're scared now!"

I dont have all the answers , just thought the hypothesis was interesting.
But as you are asking me , I can imagine that they do it above the USA because there they have complete control.

[EDG_]

Even if one fell off the plane, wouldn't it just crash into the ground and not do much else? It needs to be armed to explode doesn't it?

[Superluminal]

Then why was the plane flying over the US?

"You do anything fishy and...we'll...bomb ourselves! Yeah, take that why don't you. Bet you're scared now!"


From what I've heard, the missiles were being flown to Barksdale AFB LA. to be taken out of service. When they were loaded onto the buff no one noticed that the warheads were still on the missiles.

On another note: When ever an AF spokesperson says, "We will neither confirm nor deny nuclear weapons were involved in this." It's a safe bet nukes we involved. If their not, they wouldn't hesitate to say so.

[Superluminal]

Even if one fell off the plane, wouldn't it just crash into the ground and not do much else? It needs to be armed to explode doesn't it?

They always told us, if the bombs not armed, you can drop 'em, you can burn 'em, you can pound on 'em with sledge hammers and they won't blow. I live 90 miles north of BAFB so the plane flew very close to my house, if it had crashed or one had fallen off, I wouldn't want to be too close. If the casing was busted, you would have the danger of radiation leakage.

[KaiYeves]

I know what you mean! Boy, those were the days!
Yeah, and Spider-Man was new!

[Superluminal]

Well, Russian bears have been buzzing around the NE U.S. again, and the Brits recently scrambled some Tornado's to turn back Russian bombers a few days ago. Not quite as scary as the cold war, I think it's just Putin flexing his muscles to say to the world, "We're still relevant."

[mike alexander]

Man, I'm beginning to feel like a Cold Warrior again. Dust off the old Zenith with the Conelrad markings on the dial. Oil the hand-cranked blower. Grab the bottle of bleach.

Jerky. Great shelter food. Keeps forever, and by the time you're done chewing the radiation will have gone down.

[Maksutov]

Next thing you know, we'll be getting reports of missiles in Cuber.

[Maksutov]

Then why was the plane flying over the US?

"You do anything fishy and...we'll...bomb ourselves! Yeah, take that why don't you. Bet you're scared now!"Why am I reminded of this scene from a Mel Brooks movie?

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8946/helpthatpoorman2vr5.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helpthatpoorman2vr5.jpg)

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2083/helpthatpoorman4fc1.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helpthatpoorman4fc1.jpg)

It's the one that follows Gabby Johnson's "The sheriff is near..." prelude.

:)

[KaiYeves]

Man, I'm beginning to feel like a Cold Warrior again. Dust off the old Zenith with the Conelrad markings on the dial. Oil the hand-cranked blower. Grab the bottle of bleach.

Jerky. Great shelter food. Keeps forever, and by the time you're done chewing the radiation will have gone down.

Please, old man, get with it. (Sarcasm) We of the Melennial Generation know better than to hide in shelters, as technology is now more advanced.
When it's three minutes to midnight, fire up that moon rocket.

[Maksutov]

Please, old man, get with it. (Sarcasm) We of the Melennial Generation know better than to hide in shelters, as technology is now more advanced.
When it's three minutes to midnight, fire up that moon rocket.What Moon rocket?

[KaiYeves]

Any one you've got!
A bi-planet spicies is less likely to become extinct, as we all know!

[mike alexander]

Can you honestly think that the current administration would endorse biplanetality? One man, one planet, that's the motto.

[mike alexander]

Besides, you young whippersnappers missed a whole culture, the Shelter Culture. Like how you could use your bomb shelter as a kid's game room until the sky cracked open. I could read a dosimeter before I could read Moby Dick. Being from the midwest, I called it a 'dosey-meter' instead of a 'doe-simeter', but what counted was the roentgens.

Call me Isotope.

[KaiYeves]

This sounds angry, but I'm really not angry, just expressing my opinion:
We grew up used to the idea of rovers on Mars, having been kindergarteners at the time of Sojourner. We asked our daddies to buy hybrid cars when we still had baby teeth and recycled at four. Hubble Space Telescope was as familiar a phrase to us as "Internet", something that had existed and been amazing since before our time. "Nuclear" meant energy, and the pivitol photos were taken of Cydonia when we were not yet in double digets. Thus, we came to BA's site thinking "My gosh, somebody still thinks the Face isn't a mesa!"
As our name suggests, we were born to the idea of the New Millennium and it's promise. We dream about lunar vacations the same way we would about vacations in Belize. To a Millennial, the promise of becoming a bi-planet species seems natural.
Call me New Horizions, Isotope.

[Maksutov]

[edit]Being from the midwest, I called it a 'dosey-meter' instead of a 'doe-simeter', but what counted was the roentgens....Which brings up a bit of Midwestern dialog:Reporter: After the Russkies attack, who will inhabit the post-nucular world?
Man Entering Shelter: Allamande left.

[mike alexander]

May the Force Bewitch You, alla you Millenials. Bless you all. But (and I'm not at all angry, either), what makes you think those a bit before your time felt any different? But we had to believe, you understand. We could not take for granted that humans could throw something up in the sky and not have it fall back down. We watched Vanguard explode on the launch pad. We watched Rangers miss the moon, or fail, again and again, until that last one turned on and there, in glorious black and white, no CGI, was the goddamed MOON coming at us like an express train at full throttle. We watched sunset on the Moon out the window of Apollo 8. We listened to Aldrin and Armstrong land that improbable spider. When Mission Control told John Young on STS-1 "Ten seconds until LOS. We will see you at about Mach 12." Yup, we'll talk again when you've SLOWED DOWN to Mach 12!

We all wish you well, Kai. But, with just a bit of selfishness, we got to see it the first time.

[BigDon]

Anybody want to see a picture of an in-coming mirv?

Hauntingly pretty.


Mike! I hadn't heard the phrase "hell in a can" since the early 70's! Made me feel that long view perspective thing. Don't do that anymore. Reminds me my turn is almost over. (I jest)

Anyway heres what one looks like. Superimpose hell from one horizon to the other.

[Maksutov]

Hey, Don, good to see you. Seems it's been a while. Where've you been?

Re the MIRV graphic, what a hell of a last shot for the photographer!

[BigDon]

Howdy Mak, had to ban myself for a while.

RAF torqued me off so bad I couldn't trust myself to be nice and not get banned permenantly. I'm better now. Tonight's my first night back. The only reason that so and so thinks she won her strawman argument is because Tinaa felt she had to pull my response and I don't like to explain myself twice. Weren't anything banable just a shade too direct.

[sarongsong]

Hee-hee---I think you just got even, BD!
Gladyou'reback.

[mugaliens]

Welcome back, BD.

I grew up as the cold war got warmer then petered out altogether about a couple of months into my first job out of college, working with nukes, when the wall fell. A couple of years later I started a different line of work.

I've no desire whatsoever to spend three weeks underground employing what I learned back then.

Nope.

[korjik]

I could get into the details of the cross-checks involved to prevent this from happening, but if I did, I'd find someone knocking at my door in short order.

Let it suffice to say that, being intimately familiar with those cross-checks, I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out how this could have possibly happened. It's not like go, no-go decisions for a shuttle launch. It's more like a no-go, no-go, no-go, no-go, no-go, no-go, (repeate a few dozen times), go decision. Unless the planets align, they're not loaded aboard the aircraft. Unless half the Milky Way becomes a mirror image of the other, they're not enabled to be viable. Unless the all the stars in all the heavens align, no crew would take off with them, and the only way they'd actually drop them is if they received personal word from God that Hell was actually frozen over.

I need to stop scratching my head, as I'm working up a pretty good bald spot...

In the meantime, I think it's safe to say that it was no more dangerous than transporting them via any other means (train or truck).

Comparing it to NASA is prolly a pretty good analogy. When NASA forgot what those safety checkes were for, they lost a shuttle (both times). It wouldnt suprise me if someone got lazy about the checks and didnt really make sure everything was good to go before giving a thumbs up.

[KaiYeves]

We all wish you well, Kai. But, with just a bit of selfishness, we got to see it the first time.

You just hit me at my weak spot. I wish I had been there for Sputnik and Apollo and Viking and Voyager and the flotilla to Comet Halley. But the closest I can ever come is reading about it and looking at photos.
Bless you all, trailblazers.
I wanna time machine...

[mike alexander]

I didn't even know 'hell in a can' was a phrase from the 70's, Don. I just made it up as I was writing.

Maybe because when I wqs growing up everything came in a can: peas, soup, fruit, tomato sauce...

[BigDon]

You just hit me at my weak spot. I wish I had been there for Sputnik and Apollo and Viking and Voyager and the flotilla to Comet Halley. snip

No you don't Kai. I guarantee the time of your life will be just as wonderful. We live in marvelous times. You may even see men land on Mars. I probably won't.

[KaiYeves]

Well, to learn about those things, I've always got a Certain Scribe I can read... who I got the expression "flotilla to Halley" from... who is quoted in a lot of BAUT sigs... yes, the capitalization back there was a clue... ;-D
I have waking dreams about standing on Mars and looking up into the pinkish sky at the smaller-than-I'm-used-to-sun.

[sarongsong]

Want fries with that?

[KaiYeves]

I don't like fries.

[BigDon]

how about onion rings? Hmmmm, onion rings....

Or my very favorite, Jalapino poppers....

[KaiYeves]

I once had a teacher who gave us Jalapeno peppers without telling us how spicey they were. Ouch.

[sarongsong]

...my very favorite, Jalapino poppers.......or munchers, as they're called in Oregon---yumm! http://www.bautforum.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Maksutov]

Originally Posted by BigDon http://www.bautforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bautforum.com/off-topic-babbling/64274-its-bird-its-plane-its-bomb-2.html#post1075761)
[I]...my very favorite, Jalapino poppers.......or munchers, as they're called in Oregon---yumm! http://www.bautforum.com/images/icons/icon10.gifWhich are even better with a nice glaze of colloidal silver (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html).

Of course if you really want the complete holistic experience, replace the jalapeños with habaneros.

That reminds me, I need to start a thread about "Good Eats".

[BigDon]

Which are even better with a nice glaze of colloidal silver (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html).

Of course if you really want the complete holistic experience, replace the jalapeños with habaneros.

That reminds me, I need to start a thread about "Good Eats".

Yeah, wrong.

I put two diced ones into two gallons of chili and I was the only one who could eat it. The fact that the juice raised blisters on my exposed skin should have been a warning.

(Meanwhile the folks from the United Kingdom are going, "What's up with eating food that hurts? I don't get it.)

[GeorgeLeRoyTirebiter]

Yeah, wrong.

I put two diced ones into two gallons of chili and I was the only one who could eat it. The fact that the juice raised blisters on my exposed skin should have been a warning.

(Meanwhile the folks from the United Kingdom are going, "What's up with eating food that hurts? I don't get it.)

I'm a firm believer in the dictum that habaneros can be used in cooking only if the skin isn't pierced. Not because they're too hot, but because (IMHO) they have an unpleasant oily flavor- like a mix of Vaseline and pepper spray.

Toss 'em into stews and chilis intact, and they work just fine.

[sarongsong]

Which are even better with a nice glaze of colloidal silver (http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html)...(Hee-hee; Barrett---Doctor of what?, and recently convicted, at that.)
But alack and alas, the FDA only allows silver in food in the form of those little confectionary silver "BB's".
Meanwhile (http://www.nrdc.org/onearth/07fal/nano1.asp)..."...Nowhere is the tension between real and perceived risk -- not to mention the tension between the mundane and the transformative -- more apparent than with nanosilver...".

[KaiYeves]

Of course, she was peanuts compared to that Australian tour guide who said that dropbears were going to eat me...

[Tog_]

But alack and alas, the FDA only allows silver in food in the form of those little confectionary silver "BB's".

Even those carried a warning on the container that said they were not intended for consumption. When I worked at the store someone brought some back after they noticed it. A few months later, we couldn't find them anywhere anymore.

[Maksutov]

Air Force fires commanders over nuclear mix-up. (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1930047820071020?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews)

Hey, no big deal, we've got lots more where they came from...bombs, that is.

[Captain Kidd]

You're a bit slow Mak. We've been discussing it in the Hey Lucky---Was that 5 or was it 6 mis-shipped nukes? (http://www.bautforum.com/off-topic-babbling/64726-hey-lucky-5-6-mis-shipped-nukes.html) thread. ;)

Although I don't think anybody's posted the lastest news of 4 officers getting discharged and 65 personnel getting disciplined. (And there's a Mythbusters subthread going on too.)

[Maksutov]

You're a bit slow Mak. We've been discussing it in the Hey Lucky---Was that 5 or was it 6 mis-shipped nukes? (http://www.bautforum.com/off-topic-babbling/64726-hey-lucky-5-6-mis-shipped-nukes.html) thread. ;)Yeah, I know, ToSeeked by some sarong-wearing colloidal silver person, but at least this hasn't yet turned into a Mythbusters thread.

[Captain Kidd]

but at least this hasn't yet turned into a Mythbusters thread.Last night on the Myth...

[Kaptain K]

We dream about lunar vacations...
So did we 50 years ago!!! :cry: :( :cry: :mad:

[KaiYeves]

So did we 50 years ago!!!
Sympathy.