Heath Ledger RIP [Archive] - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum

drainbread

23-January-2008, 01:45 AM

Never heard of him. But anyone cashing in in their 20s is a shame, especially if it's apparently by their own choice.

I've never seen him in anything, although I've been looking forward to The Dark Knight.

Heath Ledger at the Internet Movie Database:
http://imdb.com/name/nm0005132/

Gillianren

23-January-2008, 02:39 AM

Abbadon_2008

23-January-2008, 02:47 AM

Hate to see him go so soon. But I'll toss back a pint for me mate, just the same.

Doodler

23-January-2008, 02:53 AM

Wow, did you hurt yourself jumping to that conclusion?

Nope.

Doodler

23-January-2008, 02:57 AM

I thought Heath Ledger gave a very good performance in Brokeback Mountain. I even rather liked 10 Things I Hate About You, though it's not actually a good movie. There are better actors out there--his Brokeback costars rather spring to mind--but he certainly wasn't bad.

I liked him in The Patriot, myself. He had potential, heck, he had a full on career going. Complete waste of a life.

Disinfo Agent

23-January-2008, 12:00 PM

One of my guilty pleasures is to read reviews at places like Imdb. I just found this remark about Brokeback Mountain:

If I were Ang Lee or Heath Ledger or the writers of the movie, after making this movie, I'd die happy. An unbelievably potent movie, an exceptional experience.

(here (http://imdb.com/title/tt0388795/usercomments?filter=chrono))One can only hope he did.

I haven't seen the film yet, but in several comments I've read about it people said that Ledger and other young actors in it had only done rather average teen flicks prior to that. Brokeback Mountain showed that there was more to them. Perhaps there's still hope for this generation of actors.

badchap

23-January-2008, 12:10 PM

I for one was sorry to hear that news. Sad for his family,too.
I liked him from when he was in "Two Hands."

I think I will wait for results of the investigation and post mortem, to hear whether it was an accidental, or intentional overdose.

I have read some news reports, that claim he was prescribed "Ambien" which is also known as "Stilnox"

Maksutov

23-January-2008, 12:18 PM

[edit]I have read some news reports, that claim he was prescribed "Ambien" which is also known as "Stilnox"I was prescribed Ambien for a while to combat chronic insomnia. Some of the side effects were pretty horrific.

Spock Jenkins

23-January-2008, 02:36 PM

I liked him in The Patriot, myself. He had potential, heck, he had a full on career going. Complete waste of a life.

Seems to be one of those actors that you don't quite realize how many things he's been in until other people start listing his credits. The Patriot was a great movie, I thought.

As far as a "complete waste of a life" - I would guess in his 28 years, his work will touch more people in some way than anything you or I will ever do. Mostly because we lack the means to reach such a large audience. Also - his work will live on long after his passing. All that - and the fact that he has managed to reproduce, which really is the main goal of most living things. Mission accomplished.

Doodler

23-January-2008, 03:37 PM

Seems to be one of those actors that you don't quite realize how many things he's been in until other people start listing his credits. The Patriot was a great movie, I thought.

As far as a "complete waste of a life" - I would guess in his 28 years, his work will touch more people in some way than anything you or I will ever do. Mostly because we lack the means to reach such a large audience. Also - his work will live on long after his passing. All that - and the fact that he has managed to reproduce, which really is the main goal of most living things. Mission accomplished.

Actually, I was referring to years 29 and on as the wasted life. What he did with the time he had was notably impressive.

Hydro

23-January-2008, 05:38 PM

Medical examiner says further tests needed to determine cause of death.

Autopsy results inconclusive (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22788914/).

Nadme

23-January-2008, 05:46 PM

Yep, far too young to die. Have never seen any of his films, though I recall the publicity surrounding Brokeback Mountain. I thought Heath Ledger was in his early 30s, so when I read "28" yesterday I was indeed surprised.

Gillianren

23-January-2008, 08:26 PM

Actually, I was referring to years 29 and on as the wasted life. What he did with the time he had was notably impressive.

I was thinking about making my daily review a Heath Ledger retrospective, actually, since I've seen something like a third of his films. However, my roommate pointed out that I can't do it properly until I've seen his final completed performance, which doesn't come out until summer. (I want to see I'm Not There, too; not only is he supposed to be really good in it, Cate Blanchett's up for an Oscar for it this year.)

I will say that there's one silly thing in that article about the rolled $20 bill--having drug residue on it will not, according to studies I've heard about, actually prove that he used the drugs that left the residue.

Hydro

23-January-2008, 08:45 PM

I will say that there's one silly thing in that article about the rolled $20 bill--having drug residue on it will not, according to studies I've heard about, actually prove that he used the drugs that left the residue.

I had to go back and see what you were talking about. When I originally linked that article there was no mention of a $20 bill. MSNBC changed the title.

01101001

23-January-2008, 09:06 PM

I will say that there's one silly thing in that article about the rolled $20 bill--having drug residue on it will not, according to studies I've heard about, actually prove that he used the drugs that left the residue.

But it adds to the weight of circumstances if any drugs on the bill match the particular prescription drugs found nearby -- as that appears to be a way to abuse those drugs. That's worth ruling out.

Doodler

23-January-2008, 09:29 PM

I will say that there's one silly thing in that article about the rolled $20 bill--having drug residue on it will not, according to studies I've heard about, actually prove that he used the drugs that left the residue.

Depends on where else they find it, if they find it anywhere else, like in his sinuses or bloodstream. Could be "smoke from another fire", though.

KaiYeves

23-January-2008, 11:03 PM

Dying... why is everybody dying all of a sudden?

Nadme

24-January-2008, 12:11 AM

Also - his work will live on long after his passing. All that - and the fact that he has managed to reproduce, which really is the main goal of most living things. Mission accomplished.

So says worldly wisdom. There are other things too which please God.

-end of "religious" input- :)

Occam

24-January-2008, 12:24 AM

Dying... why is everybody dying all of a sudden?

A perverted and corrupt system of values
An amoral industry and a society too gutless to take a stand against wrong
Too many excuses
Too many chances
Too many sycophants pandering to egos
Too many mediocre nothings, catapulted into celebrity, hype and pseudo glory, without the strength of character to see it for what it is.
Too many self obsessed cardboard cutout 'stars', without the guts to say "no"
Too many sybarites failing to take responsibility for their own actions and a money driven industry prepared to turn a blind eye.

How many reasons do you need?

Noclevername

24-January-2008, 12:58 AM

Dying... why is everybody dying all of a sudden?

You mean it's just starting now? Hasn't dying been around a while? :confused:

KaiYeves

24-January-2008, 01:19 AM

You mean it's just starting now? Hasn't dying been around a while?
No, but a disporportionate number of famous people seem to die in January.

drainbread

24-January-2008, 10:50 AM

No, but a disporportionate number of famous people seem to die in January.

The start of tax season :think:

Doodler

24-January-2008, 04:53 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22813570/

Can I get an "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!"?

Hydro

24-January-2008, 05:49 PM

Can I get an "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!"?

I'm too disgusted to post anything else.

ARRRRGH.

Gillianren

24-January-2008, 07:05 PM

The start of tax season :think:

An incorrect assumption. I have here a copy of Entertainment Weekly's year-end double issue (because I like their tributes section, mainly), and even the slightest examination of the evidence will show that, in fact, the deaths therein are pretty evenly distributed throughout the year. And while the really, really famous people tend to get larger spreads, they do indeed have a section on every person of note in the entertainment field, even those you've never actually heard of because they only did technical stuff, who's died in the last year, and they're pretty evenly distributed throughout the year.

farmerjumperdon

24-January-2008, 07:46 PM

I will say that there's one silly thing in that article about the rolled $20 bill--having drug residue on it will not, according to studies I've heard about, actually prove that he used the drugs that left the residue.

If it was still rolled up, it's pretty damning evidence. How many people keep their money rolled up?

Someone mentioned "touched." Puhleaase! I am often entertained by movies, but very rarely touched. The principles by which I live are not so soft and malleable as to be shaped by the product of Hollywood - which is at least 90% garbage.

knottyash

24-January-2008, 07:54 PM

A good clip of Heath in action at 18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUPpLB3mRLY&feature=related

The expression on his face as he dies on the tip of a Redcoat's sabre from Mel Gibson's "Patriot" shows his acting potential.

Noclevername

24-January-2008, 08:24 PM

If it was still rolled up, it's pretty damning evidence. How many people keep their money rolled up?
Good thing you're not a CSI.

Someone mentioned "touched." Puhleaase! I am often entertained by movies, but very rarely touched. The principles by which I live are not so soft and malleable as to be shaped by the product of Hollywood - which is at least 90% garbage.

More than 90%. But that doesn't mean there's nothing good. And "touched" does not mean "malleable principles", I have no idea at all where you got that one. It means it struck an emotional chord.

Occam

24-January-2008, 08:40 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22813570/

Can I get an "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!"?
Double ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!
Purveyors of hate

Doodler

24-January-2008, 08:51 PM

If it was still rolled up, it's pretty damning evidence. How many people keep their money rolled up?

Given that money doesn't hold a rolled shape, was the $20 actually rolled when they found it, or was its shape "memory" indicative of having been rolled?

Lets face it, I pay in greenbacks most everywhere I go, and if someone were drawing a conclusion about behaviour from the state of their money, every time I paid for groceries the divorce rate would spike because of the long axis creased bills that find their way from the nudie bar through my transactions. :lol:

korjik

24-January-2008, 09:16 PM

Double ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!
Purveyors of hate

Triple ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!

can they be banned from the planet?

Noclevername

24-January-2008, 09:50 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22813570/

Can I get an "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!"?

They apparently forgot that whole "he who is without sin..." business.

Doodler

24-January-2008, 09:56 PM

Tests on a $20 bill found at the Lower Manhattan apartment where Ledger died yielded no drug residue, New York Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne said.

From CNN.com

Gillianren

25-January-2008, 04:25 AM

They apparently forgot that whole "he who is without sin..." business.

I can think of quite a few verses they're forgetting, but I'll not go there.

Doodler

25-January-2008, 04:29 AM

Triple ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!

can they be banned from the planet?

Maybe we can talk to Rutan's people...

Disinfo Agent

25-January-2008, 10:48 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22813570/

Can I get an "ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!"?At this point, I am only able to contribute with a ">SHRUG< Whatever. " :rolleyes:

Veeger

20-July-2008, 05:18 AM

Resurrecting an older thread, I watched the "Dark Knight" last night. The film was impressive for its genre, I think the best "comic book" movie I have ever seen. And Ledger's performance as the Joker is a crowning achievement in a too short career. A fine performance where the expression "why so serious?" takes the viewer into a world of twisted and deadly serious mental illness. It was a very entertaining film and well worth the five dollars I paid to watch.

Gillianren

21-July-2008, 12:56 AM

I saw it twice in 24 hours. I was just invited to see it a third time--which would make three times in 48--but I'm a little short on cash and declined. But I'll definitely be buying it when it comes out and watching it over and over and over again.

Jason

21-July-2008, 03:03 AM

It's been said that Oscars are given for roles as much as for actors. But Ledger did an excellent job with the excellent material he was given.
This Joker is actually scary - for adults. That might be a first for a comic book villain on the big screen. He's scary because he's unpredictable and has no limits to what he's willing to do to surprise and terrorize. He's hideous, and yet he's also entertaining. You can't help but watch to see what horrible thing he'll do next. The soundtrack includes a "Joker cue" - a grinding dissonant note that builds and builds until you know that something terrible is about to happen to someone - and then it does. He has no back story and no explanation for why he does what he does. He's just chaos personified.
Great cinema.

mike alexander

21-July-2008, 04:43 AM

The first time I saw it (with wife) the complexity and editing tempo lost me; I was missing a lot trying to figure out what had just happened. The second time (with son) was much better, since I knew what was going to happen so I could watch for other things. (Hint: do NOT go to this movie tired!)

First viewing: Ledger's Joker seemed completely over-the-top, curtain chewing.

Second viewing: The Joker is the scariest character in cinema since Hopkin's Hannibal Lechter. More scary. Ledger's performance is stunning.

(edit)

How this film got a PG-13 rating is beyond me. I wouldn't take a youngster to it.

Gillianren

21-July-2008, 08:18 AM

There's no real swearing, and the MPAA is notoriously lax about violence.

Lianachan

21-July-2008, 12:52 PM

I've never seen Heath Ledger in anything before, but can't wait to see The Dark Knight. Unfortunately I'm going to have to, but it sounds like it's well worth the wait.

Tog_

21-July-2008, 01:33 PM

We went to the 11:50 PM showing Saturday night. We waled out of the mall at about 2:40 AM. That is the first time in a very long time that a movie has freaked out to the point that I really didn't want to be in the parking lot.

I think the thing that made it so scary for me was that nothing he did was impossible. Improbable maybe, and depending on how many henchmen he had to help with some of the set up, there were a few unrealistic time constraints, but on the whole, there really wasn't anything he did that couldn't really be done.

It's not a far trip in my head from "Joker" to Charles Manson or Jim Jones. If those two latter only wanted chaos instead of power... Well, that's the way I think of it.

There is a bit on the trivia page (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/trivia) on IMDB:
It's Sir Michael Caine (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000323/)'s opinion that Heath Ledger (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005132/) beat the odds and topped Jack Nicholson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000197/)'s Joker from Batman (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096895/) (1989): "Jack was like a clown figure, benign but wicked, maybe a killer old uncle. He could be funny and make you laugh. Heath's gone in a completely different direction to Jack, he's like a really scary psychopath. He's a lovely guy and his Joker is going to be a hell of a revelation in this picture." Caine bases this belief on a scene where the Joker pays a visit to Wayne Manor. He'd never met Ledger before, so when Ledger arrived and performed he gave Caine such a fright he forgot his lines.

Jason

21-July-2008, 04:11 PM

How this film got a PG-13 rating is beyond me. I wouldn't take a youngster to it.
There's no swearing and no sex, and there's no actual blood on the screen either, for all the killing and maiming that goes on. It kind of shows how the rating system is too superficial, really. You can do all sorts of implied violence and as long as there's no blood or aftermath shown on screen they can get away with it.
Though I guess that still doesn't explain how they got away with Two-Face's horrific appearance.

Veeger

22-July-2008, 12:21 AM

Second viewing: The Joker is the scariest character in cinema since Hopkin's Hannibal Lechter. More scary. Ledger's performance is stunning.

I agree. Its not often I find myself thinking about a character two and three days later. I will see the movie again.

crosscountry

22-July-2008, 08:01 AM

very good. scary maybe, but I found that even more entertaining, and I don't like scary movies.

Someone said best comic book movie, and I'd agree. Only the recent Iron Man ranks up there.

Well done on everyone's part, and much better than Batman Begins. Only a few surprises got me, but they twisted and turned. Ledger had that role so well done you might even think he was like that in person.

Neverfly

22-July-2008, 09:32 AM

All these posts... Do you guys work for the Marketing company or what?
You're making me want to see this movie....

Hmmm:think:

I'll need a date...

Tinaa?http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/4.gif

mike alexander

22-July-2008, 08:21 PM

All these posts... Do you guys work for the Marketing company or what?
You're making me want to see this movie....

The movie bascally stands up when Ledger enters and sits back down when he exits. The two guys competing for the girl subplot is just boilerplate. The Syndicate criminal subplot isn't much better; pretty much stereotyped. Harvey Dent is so-so at best, and his... shall we say his evolution is really over the top, Tales From the Crypt stuff.

Batman is in many ways a robot. Even his moves when fighting are robotic. The Joker, on the other hand, acts and moves like a broken robot.

sarongsong

22-July-2008, 08:45 PM

Uh...where's Robin?

BigDon

22-July-2008, 08:56 PM

haven't seen it yet.

Scarier than Anton Chagur? (No Country For Old Men)

Tog_

22-July-2008, 09:17 PM

haven't seen it yet.

Scarier than Anton Chagur? (No Country For Old Men)
I'd say yes. Anton only went after those he had a reason to. If you didn't cross him, or help those that crossed him, he'd walk on by.

Joker would kill anyone at any time. He'd also set things up where there was no way to win, but no one knew. This wasn't in the movie, but I think it's similar to something he may have done. You know those sensors that open doors at the grocery stores? Imagine that these are set to a timer to that at 7 PM, in about 8 stores in the city, they trigger a claymore mine to go off on the other side of the building, then that explosion arms 5 more at every other exit on a 45 second timer, to get the people bottlenecked. The safest way to get out of the store is to run toward the first explosion. He'd use this as a demonstration that people are sheep and will just follow the crowd rather than run into obvious danger.

He didn't have a reason. He wasn't in it for money or power. There was no real motive, other than his whims.

It could be argued that he wanted to show that anyone can crack under the strain of "one bad day". That was sort of the plot to The Killing Joke, a one shot comic that was the basis for this film, and to a lesser degree, the one with Keaton and Nicholson.

Jason

22-July-2008, 09:45 PM

This Joker is comparable to Chagur, yes.
I think Batman had his number - he was simply trying to prove that the whole world is as ugly as he is - that anyone will drop to his level if pushed hard enough.

Gemini

22-July-2008, 09:58 PM

Maybe we can talk to Rutan's people...

Strap them to an old ICBM and not waste rutan's time and money.

Tobin Dax

23-July-2008, 03:52 AM

Uh...where's Robin?
Batgirl's the commissioner's wife, so who knows.

Gillianren

23-July-2008, 04:39 AM

Batgirl's the commissioner's wife, so who knows.

Daughter.

SeanF

23-July-2008, 02:34 PM

Daughter.
Batgirl has not yet been introduced in the new movies, but I do believe they have Barbara Gordon as Commissioner Gordon's wife.

HenrikOlsen

23-July-2008, 03:57 PM

So they're messing with continuity as much as the previous series of movies that had her as Alfred's niece or something similar.
Why am I not surprised.

It looks like Hollywood produces have to urinate in everything before they like the taste.

crosscountry

23-July-2008, 04:07 PM

It looks like Hollywood produces have to urinate in everything before they like the taste.

well, I for one appreciate that they are making movies. Too many of our comic book "movies" followed the comic book too strongly, and that made for poor screening. Think the Hulk movie or second and third Spidermen movies, or even the last in the series of Batman movies. Way too comicbookish for me. If I wanted that I'd read them.

Since they have decided to make movies instead of on screen comic books I have been much more pleased with the result. Ironman did exactly that - they took the basic plot and made a movie. That's what writers and directors are for. One man creating a comic book 30 years ago wasn't writing a screen play - only entertaining children.

Neverfly

23-July-2008, 04:13 PM

well, I for one appreciate that they are making movies. Too many of our comic book "movies" followed the comic book too strongly, and that made for poor screening. Think the Hulk movie or second and third Spidermen movies, or even the last in the series of Batman movies. Way too comicbookish for me. If I wanted that I'd read them.

Since they have decided to make movies instead of on screen comic books I have been much more pleased with the result. Ironman did exactly that - they took the basic plot and made a movie. That's what writers and directors are for. One man creating a comic book 30 years ago wasn't writing a screen play - only entertaining children.

Generally, I agree with HenrikOlsen's statement.

But you make a Good Point too.

Think of "Blade."
Blade would have been kinda awful if the movie followed the comic book character. The CB Character had a bad attitude, lack of caring, was a womanizer and wasn't very likable over-all. He's a vulgar, bad "good guy."

The Hollywood version that was celibate, quiet, withdrawn and harboring old pains- it's something we can admire, respect, a mystery or enigma, it creates a character that we can root for even though he's the bad guy gone good.

HenrikOlsen

23-July-2008, 04:15 PM

But why make such apparently unneeded changes as switching from daughter to wife?

Switching from commissioner's daughter to butler's niece is more understandable as that allows them to keep Gordon out of the script while still establishing personality through domestic interaction.

I'm not really objecting to making changes that make for a tighter movie, but changing something just because? Nah.

Incidentally, unless Gordon robbed the cradle, his wife should be too old to be Batgirl.

Jason

23-July-2008, 04:23 PM

No one has said that Gordon's wife will be Batgirl, merely that her name happens to be Barbara Gordon. Maybe his daughter is also named Barbara.
Batgirl most likely will never appear in these movies at all anyway - Christian Bale for one has said he'll walk if they write Robin into a sequel, let alone Batgirl.

crosscountry

23-July-2008, 04:38 PM

well, this makes a total of how many actors portraying batman?

can we say 007? How many people have played James Bond?

I like Bale in that role, but batman is much bigger than one actor.

Tobin Dax

23-July-2008, 05:14 PM

Batgirl has not yet been introduced in the new movies, but I do believe they have Barbara Gordon as Commissioner Gordon's wife.
What SeanF said. The character who could be Batgirl probably won't be. So who knows if any Robin will even be mentioned.

Gillianren

23-July-2008, 05:22 PM

I knew Gordon's wife looked familiar--she was Melissa Scully on The X-Files. However, I will note that, a, yes, she is too old to be Batgirl, and b, well, maybe his daughter's name is Barbara, too. His son is also James, after all. Or they may change her name, should they choose to bring in Batgirl. I'd be happier with that than suddenly making her Alfred's niece. Not that I've seen Batman and Robin.

Spoilers from the media--apparently, Aaron Eckhart has signed on for movie three.

Kaptain K

23-July-2008, 05:35 PM

sarongsong

23-July-2008, 06:18 PM

...Spoilers from the media--apparently, Aaron Eckhart has signed on for movie three.Why is that a "spoiler"?

Tog_

23-July-2008, 06:21 PM

Why is that a "spoiler"?
Edit: didn't feel right about that one.

The fact that he's on for a third, means that he definitely survived this one. If there is any doubt about that in this current movie, it could be seen as a spoiler.

Neverfly

23-July-2008, 06:21 PM

Why is that a "spoiler"?

Because now we know that Two-Face won't be played by Uma Thurman.

crosscountry

23-July-2008, 06:26 PM

Because now we know that Two-Face won't be played by Uma Thurman.

maybe flashbacks?

LotusExcelle

23-July-2008, 06:29 PM

Perhaps it will be garishly lit and have the actors look AT the camera when they say tongue-in-cheek lines like "Chill out!" and so forth. My god i about had an aneurysm during that one.

Jason

23-July-2008, 06:29 PM

It is my contention that if you are going to make a movie of a book, comic or otherwise, at least follow the book (as closely as possible)! If you are making a movie based on the characters in a book, at least adhere to the canon of the book! Otherwise, you're just "riding the coat tails"!
And I disagree. Different media deserve different approaches to a story. What works in a comic book won't necessarily work in a film or a novel. I feel that as long as you're telling stories with the same basic themes it doesn't matter too much if you change the details. It's only when you completely change the themes, such as Verhoven's Starship Troopers, that I feel you can be accurately accused of riding coat tails.

The Dark Knight follows many of the important themes from the comics, so it is an acceptable version, even if it doesn't adhere to Batman "canon".

Jason

23-July-2008, 06:39 PM

well, this makes a total of how many actors portraying batman?Bale has signed on for film three - he's just said that he won't be in any more if Robin is.
If you count only Batman movies, you have Adam West (in the '60s film), Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, and Christian Bale. If you count TV series and animated versions you have a few more.

can we say 007? How many people have played James Bond?Counting only the "official" films, we have Sean Connery, George Lazanby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, Pierce Brosnan, and Daniel Craig - 6.
You also have Barry Nelson playing the American Bond in the '54 CBS TV movie, and then a whole bunch of Bonds in the '67 spoof version of Casino Royale, with David Niven as the "original" Sir James Bond - but they probably don't count.

Lord Jubjub

25-July-2008, 03:30 AM

This is also a bit of a spoiler, but evidently there were plans for Joker to be in the third movie, too. . . which brings us back to the topic.:D

Ah, the cruel whims of real life.:wall:

Doodler

25-July-2008, 01:52 PM

Think the Hulk movie

Nah, that one is purely Ang Lee pinching a turd off an trying to polish it with CGI and far eastern psychology.

The new one was far more faithful to the source without compromising itself to comic bookishness, despite the WWE-style climactic battle.

crosscountry

25-July-2008, 03:34 PM

Doodler

25-July-2008, 04:00 PM

I'm still not going to pay to see it. I made that mistake with the 2nd and 3rd Matrix movies, and I promised myself that wouldn't happen again. Some movies are so bad they don't deserve a sequel. (not the first Matrix though)

One thing to consider for the new Hulk movie...its not a sequel to Lee's movie, its more like a twist on the TV series as an origin story.