Hitlers Flying Saucers!!

[Paul Leeks]

anyone here interested in this subject apart from me!
does anyone have co-ordinates for "Base 211,Antarctica"?

I think these craft existed (despite debunkers and what they think) has anyone read the book Hitlers Flying Saucers? I want to know what YOU think!

Paul L(NZ)

and no I don't think it's Pseudoscience

[pzkpfw]

Cross ref: http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=563


Paul, what is the single best evidence that any of that Hitler/saucer stuff is true?

[Paul Leeks]

I like german tanks as well so yes I know what Pzkpfw means and I collect German Memorabilia

anyway from memory your in Kiwi somewhere and I am in Wellington would you rather talk to me about it instead...send me a nice PM and I might give you my phone number!!(from the book Reich Of the Black Sun is an interesting photograph of a German navigation instrument that looks odd that turned up in New Mexico,this is why I support the existence of MJ12(that something happened,and Paperclip is on an Echelon as well as MJ12.

and remember I said I judge people by their ATTITUDE and thats all the Evidence I need!People have come forward about this sort of thing.

and no I am not a sock puppet(I was Schutztaffeln-SS here on BAUT,my misunderstanding but thats been sorted out!

Paul Leeks(ex-Altair4)

take care PZKPFW( Peace!)

[pzkpfw]

Let me get this straight: your evidence comes down to...

1: A photo of "odd" German equipment. (As judged by whom?)
2: You believe the word of some people who "came forward", about "this kind of thing", based on their "attitude".

?

That seems very small evidence for a very big claim.

Cheers,

[Lianachan]

There's a good website called luft46 (http://www.luft46.com/) for anybody interested in the real history of advanced German war-time aviation.

[Nicolas]

That is indeed a very nice site of German WW2 aircraft concepts that did not make it into production aircraft at the time.

http://www.luft46.com/misc/sackas6.html

This one shows a round wing 'flying saucer' model. Sorry, no aliens and/antarctica bases there though...

[KLIK]

I think it very unlikely that the Germans had flying saucers during WWII, They were so meticulous about recording everything they did (even concentration camp lists etc) that I'm sure more info would have been found; there were so many different companies competing to build similar equipment (and applying to Speers dept in the final years for limited funds and natural resources), that there would likely still be a paper trail.

I thought the "holes in the poles" was an artificial artifact of the first satellite survey of the Earth orbitting the equator and hence not being able to photograph the poles which were therefore drawn/mapped with blank areas which woo-woos promptly said were holes to the centre of the Earth.

I am interested in this subject (I think the Germans had some amazing designs in comparison to what the rest of us were designing) but don't believe it happened, I don't believe Hitler would have had a secret flying saucer and not used it for revenge attacks - look at the way he fitted bombs to the ME 262 rather than exploiting it as a fighter.






He didn't have enough ships to set up and maintain an Antarctic base as we sank most of them, and even the Austrian Redoubt was talked about but never built

(I'd like to know exactly what Foo Fighters were though) ;-)





edit to add; Foo fighters were possibly German rocket designs (Anti Aircraft), was a retorical question.

[Celestial Mechanic]

Anyone here interested in this subject apart from me! Does anyone have co-ordinates for "Base 211,Antarctica"?

I think these craft existed (despite debunkers and what they think) has anyone read the book Hitlers Flying Saucers? I want to know what YOU think! And no I don't think it's Pseudoscience.
To paraphrase Wolfgang Pauli: "It's not pseudoscience; it's not even garbage." ;)

[GeorgeLeRoyTirebiter]

Aliens in flying saucers hate Hitler. See for yourself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt02kBH7-W0).

[Drunk Vegan]

If I recall correctly, the "Foo Fighters" were in fact experimental hovercraft. They were exceptionally advanced for their day (as much of the Nazi science was) but by no stretch of the imagination could they be considered "flying saucers."

They were able to get off the ground though, I remember seeing a video clip showing one hovering a couple feet off the ground.

[AndreH]

If I recall correctly, the "Foo Fighters" were in fact experimental hovercraft. They were exceptionally advanced for their day (as much of the Nazi science was) but by no stretch of the imagination could they be considered "flying saucers."

They were able to get off the ground though, I remember seeing a video clip showing one hovering a couple feet off the ground.

bolt mine:

no it wasn't. the claim is true for some war relevant technologies which is more or less engineering. I would not call this science.
Under the Nazi regime, scientific theories were judged for example by what religous belief the founder had. If the founder was e.g. a jew, the theory was rated as nonsense. (Happened to Relativity and Einstein who left this country for good reasons at that time).
During the Nazi tyranny this country experienced the greatest "brain drain" in history. (Have a look were the founders of Relativity and QM studied and teached in the 1920ies and were they are today)
Science cannot exist when those who are in power accept only things that fit into their ideology.

As an answer to the OP: I read several articles about the so called "Hitlers flying saucers". All of them were full of pseudo science so far.
This "supressed secret technologies of the Nazis" make a nice plot for a movie or a book. That's all.

[Disinfo Agent]

anyone here interested in this subject apart from me!
does anyone have co-ordinates for "Base 211,Antarctica"?Sure. See here (http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/3735-nazis-moon-no-eva-suit-required-3.html#post1236574).

[Zachary]

Flying Saucers aren't easy to make! It's easy to be impressed by Nazi WWII military hardware, and rightly so because much of it was very technically impressive for its time (but built at a terrible cost in human life, i should add), but it was all standard stuff that could have been made with early 40s tech. Panzer tanks were so dominant because other military powers focused on mass producing cheap tanks instead of developing an expensive monster tank. V2's were awe-inspiring rockets but there's no doubt that if other nations put the same amount of funding towards rocketry and had a genius comparable with Von Braun it could have been replicated.


But flying saucers? Apart from having all the technical challenges of a jet plane with none of the advantages, they would be fiendishly difficult to make, would require as much funding as the V2 programme and they would be, in military terms, completely useless. Apart from scaring hillbillies :s

[Drunk Vegan]

Under the Nazi regime, scientific theories were judged for example by what religous belief the founder had. If the founder was e.g. a jew, the theory was rated as nonsense. (Happened to Relativity and Einstein who left this country for good reasons at that time).
During the Nazi tyranny this country experienced the greatest "brain drain" in history. (Have a look were the founders of Relativity and QM studied and teached in the 1920ies and were they are today)

I think conquering most of Europe qualifies as a significant technical achievement. The only reason (IMO) they were defeated by the Allies is that Hitler was batdung crazy and wouldn't pay attention to historical warnings screaming that you don't fight a war on two fronts. All they had to was hold their end of the bargain with Stalin long enough to wipe out England to the west and consolidate their empire in Europe.

I hardly support the Nazi ideology, but the technology was advanced for its time (though I'm sure much of it was borrowed and stolen, and in the case of medical advancements they were garnered from unspeakable medical experiments in the camps.)

[Disinfo Agent]

The only reason (IMO) they were defeated by the Allies is that Hitler was batdung crazy and wouldn't pay attention to historical warnings screaming that you don't fight a war on two fronts. All they had to was hold their end of the bargain with Stalin long enough to wipe out England to the west and consolidate their empire in Europe.The Nazis did not want to conquer England, initially. What they wanted was Eastern Europe (and France, because everybody loves Paris). They naively assumed that the British would condone their expansionism, out of pure racial solidarity.

I hardly support the Nazi ideology, but it was advanced for its time [...]You probably meant to say "technology" instead of "ideology", there.

[Drunk Vegan]

The Nazis did not want to conquer England, initially. What they wanted was Eastern Europe (and France, because everybody loves Paris). They naively assumed that the British would condone their expansionism, out of pure racial solidarity.

You probably meant to say "technology" instead of "ideology", there.

Ah, grammar. Yeah, the ideology sucked, the technology was advanced.

[ravens_cry]

The closest things humanity ever built to a flying saucer was a CANADIAN flying saucer, also known as the Avro Air-Car. It wasn't exactly. . .practical, though it would be interesting to discuss how it could be made so, or at least flyable. By the way, what was the aircraft in Indiana Jones were Indy was fighting the big giant german guy who backed into the prop? Did it actually ever exist for real?

[01101001]

Did it actually ever exist for real?

I believe it was just designed for "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

The Germans had some flying wings (http://www.century-of-flight.net/new%20site/frames/horten%20frame.htm) in the era.

[ravens_cry]

I believe it was just designed for "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

The Germans had some flying wings (http://www.century-of-flight.net/new%20site/frames/horten%20frame.htm) in the era.
I know a bit about those, I have always had an interest in real life advanced German ideas. Some even seem crazy even now. I hate war, but I love the technology behind it. From the 'Big Bertha' rail mounted artillary, to the compound bow, I love the technological achivments of war.

[Tedward]

Just a few thoughts on my understanding.

Interesting the way the idea's fell off the drawing board but amounted to nothing. Mostly. The jet was utilised too late. Doesn't matter what format it was in. The V weapons did pose a serious threat (at the time and in context) V3 for example. All the while they were hobbled by the, for want of a better word, hubris of the leaders. Probably at the intervention of hitler as well.

The only reason (IMO) they were defeated by the Allies is that Hitler was batdung crazy and wouldn't pay attention to historical warnings screaming that you don't fight a war on two fronts.

That and the vast manufacturing capability of the US. And Weather. Taking that two fronts also acknowledges the Soviet impact.

[tbm]

If it wasn't for those pesky jets, this may have been a common sight in post WW2 skies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Pancake

tbm

[Graybeard6]

I've heard since I was 12 years old (1946) that the Germans would have won had Hitler not decided on "a two front war". Consider this: in 1944 the Allies were fighting in Northern France, Southern France, Italy, Burma, China, Southwest Pacific and Central Pacific. Let's face it, Germany lost because they didn't understand logistics. You can't supply a mechanized army with horse-drawn transport when you opponents; you can't build the best tank in the world with highly skilled craftsmen, one at a time, and expect to defeat inferior tanks built on production lines by unskilled labor in the thousands. (It does work the other way, however; in Afghanistan American Special Forces and Northern Alliance troops on horseback were supported by helicopters and C-130s.)
BTW: the XF5U was not "all metal", the fuselage was constructed of balsa wood sandwiched between aluminum (aluminium) sheets.

[AndreH]

I think conquering most of Europe qualifies as a significant technical achievement. The only reason (IMO) they were defeated by the Allies is that Hitler was batdung crazy and wouldn't pay attention to historical warnings screaming that you don't fight a war on two fronts. All they had to was hold their end of the bargain with Stalin long enough to wipe out England to the west and consolidate their empire in Europe.

I hardly support the Nazi ideology, but the technology was advanced for its time (though I'm sure much of it was borrowed and stolen, and in the case of medical advancements they were garnered from unspeakable medical experiments in the camps.)

Again: I already admitted there were some technologies that were advanced, especially the technologies related to warfare But I stay with what I have said before about science and scientists. In a country were one of the most important theories of physics was rated as "ungerman physics" and therefore in acceptable for the leaders the scientific achievemts weren't that big at all.

Just because you have the engineers and crafting capabilities to built a good tank or machine gun, doesn't mean you are scientifically ahead.

But there are a lot of other examples were the Allies had better technologies. (RADAR, ASDIC, B-17 - B-24? heavy bombers, the Spitfire, and do not forget penicillin).
The V2 may have looked "elegant", but at the time it was ready for use the Allies were able to fly with 1000 bomber fleets protected by there own interceptors into the "Reich" and back.
A good technology has not to look elegant, or be over engineered so you cannot built enough of it, it also has to work practically.
So 1000 B-17 or Hallifax bombers which can fly from England to Dresden and drop their load is much "better" technology than 10 rockets which can carry 1 big bomb to an area as big as London or bigger and tend to explode on the ramp.
The Wehrmacht attacked Russia without having even proper winter equipment! The German standard rifle was a K98 carabine, technology from the late 19th century (and not this "cool" machine pistol always to be seen in Hollywood movies).
I do not see were this legend of this far ahead NAzi science thing comes from.

If a country prepares for 6 years to go to war it is clear their will be some kind of an advantage at the beginning.

[Lianachan]

A minor aside - Hitler was not at was with England, he was at war with the UK. All talk about "England" in WW2 is a gross offence to those from the other countries who died for the UK, most certainly not for England.

[AndreH]

A minor aside - Hitler was not at was with England, he was at war with the UK. All talk about "England" in WW2 is a gross offence to those from the other countries who died for the UK, most certainly not for England.

You are right. One problem at least in Germany it was always referred to as war against England.
And although I know better, if I say England I normally refer to the whole island with, England, Scotland and Wales.
(Whereas I think of Northern Ireland as a part of Ireland)

I know that this from the political point of view is not correct.

[Lianachan]

You are right. One problem at least in Germany it was always referred to as war against England.
And although I know better, if I say England I normally refer to the whole island with, England, Scotland and Wales.
(Whereas I think of Northern Ireland as a part of Ireland)

I know that this from the political point of view is not correct.

I don't want to derail the thread or anything - it's just something I always point out when I spot it on these boards. Which I do, with a frequency that is extremely disappointing. A lot of it is down to genuine ignorance, but there's some wilful misuse of the term too. It is very offensive to the non-English parts of the UK. In discussions about WW2, it's also offensive to those of many other nations (from the commonwealth/empire) who also fought in the British army.

[Tuckerfan]

They were working on orbiting death rays, however. (http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=940)When Germany surrendered in May 1945, the scientists at Hillersleben were forced to abandon an assortment of death-bringing innovations at various stages of completion. Among these were a rocket-assisted artillery shell which had 50% more range than standard artillery, a 600mm mortar which fired one-ton self-propelled projectiles for up to three and a half miles, a modified Tiger tank which could fire a 760-pound rockets up to six miles, and a chain-like projectile made up of small, linked rockets with a range of 100 miles. But the military masterminds' most sinister ambitions were embodied in their behemoth Sonnengewehr, or "Sun Gun" project– an orbital weapon intended to exact fiery punishment upon the enemies of the Third Reich, forever establishing their dominance over the genetically inferior Untermenschen of the Earth.

The Sun Gun was based on a design originally conceived by Hermann Oberth, a physicist who is widely credited as one of the founding fathers of rocketry and astronautics. In his 1929 book Wege zur Raumschiffahrt, or "Ways to Spaceflight," Oberth presented a scientific description of a hypothetical manned space station orbiting at an altitude of one thousand kilometers. He detailed potential construction methods using prefabricated sections, described a rotational cycle to produce centrifugal gravity within the station, and outlined a system for periodic resupply missions. Oberth advocated the development of these Raumstations to serve as astronomical observatories and telegraph relays, in addition to Earth-observing activities such as meteorology, search-and-rescue, and military intelligence. What interested the Nazi scientists, however, was his suggestion that a specially engineered 100-meter-wide concave mirror could be used to reflect sunlight into a concentrated point on the Earth. But whereas Oberth's design had peaceful intentions– to use the intense heat to produce electricity with steam turbines– the nefarious Nazis envisioned a colossal heat ray which could vanquish humanity.